Stadiums and Arenas of Canada part 2

[esquire]

They won't destroy Molson Stadium. McGill owns it and it meets their needs fine...they have no need to take on the vast expense of a rebuild project. The chances of building a similar stadium on the McGill campus these days are probably minimal to nonexistent.

[Villaggio]

[blueandgoldguy]

Originally Posted by le calmar

I doubt they ever destroy a century-old stadium, I am not even sure they have the rights to do it.

I agree they would not. Hypothetically if they did though, the new stadium would seat significantly less.

[Matrix19]

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Construct...%A2tre-de-Quebec/805734972788630?fref=ts

[christopherj]

So when is that Quebec arena going to be done?

Sounds like the City of Glendale is doing its best to kill the Coyotes...

[EpicPonyTime]

Originally Posted by esquire

^ Is the Big O officially incapable of hosting the GC, though? I don't recall there being any kind of categorical statement that the GC is out for Olympic Stadium.

I would imagine Molson Stadium would be able to accommodate at least 10K in temp seats for the Grey Cup, maybe more... you can put a fair number in each end zone. Although even then you're still faced with a practical maximum of around 35,000 seats, and the fact that close to 1/3 of them have to be rented and installed cuts into the profit margin substantially compared to Olympic Stadium where you have 60,000 seats ready to go.

There's no way Montreal hosts the Grey Cup if it's not in Olympic. Between the increased foot-traffic and the preparation needed to host the event, McGill would never allow it since it would just make the campus hectic in the middle of the school year. Montreal's only hope is if they move the season up a few weeks.

[HomerSPC]

Originally Posted by EpicPonyTime

There's no way Montreal hosts the Grey Cup if it's not in Olympic. Between the increased foot-traffic and the preparation needed to host the event, McGill would never allow it since it would just make the campus hectic in the middle of the school year. Montreal's only hope is if they move the season up a few weeks.

It would still be in the middle of the school year. They'd have to move the season later if they want to avoid the school year.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by christopherj

So when is that Quebec arena going to be done?

Sounds like the City of Glendale is doing its best to kill the Coyotes...

Yeah, I wonder if this is the final countdown for the Coyotes? Is it too late to announce a move to Quebec for the 15/16 season? I'm not kidding either, it was around the May long weekend that the move of the Thrashers to Winnipeg was announced, so you would think there is still a window of opportunity to get it done.

It seems practically inevitable at this point, just a matter of when.

Originally Posted by EpicPonyTime

There's no way Montreal hosts the Grey Cup if it's not in Olympic. Between the increased foot-traffic and the preparation needed to host the event, McGill would never allow it since it would just make the campus hectic in the middle of the school year. Montreal's only hope is if they move the season up a few weeks.

How would it be any worse than regular season games at McGill? The only difference is that there would be a few thousand extra fans if temporary seating is installed. The game is on a Sunday when on-campus activity is at a low ebb anyway... they can do all the associated hoopla away from the venue, which is easy enough to do... I remember going to the 2001 GC and the only thing that happened at Olympic Stadium was the game itself.

[Coldrsx]

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[osmo]

Unless the CFL wants to ignore its 2nd largest market with a unique French corporate base to court then the Big O isn't going to stop hosting GCs until its condemned and the rats have taken over.

The CFL will likely just lapse its hosting, once all the new facilities get their turn the CFL is going to be forced to return back to Montreal. Nobody can expect any stadium plans in that time frame for 4-5 years aside from the Expos which is more a reality then any replacement for the Big O.

A GC in the relic in Montreal will be more appealing then a sleet and cold GC at BMO Field in Toronto. At least three is no weather to contend with in there as would be with BMO.

[esquire]

^ Skydome is an option too for Toronto... Rogers said that the baseball-only functionality is only for the season. Once MLB is finished, Skydome can host CFL/NFL games again, among other things.

For what it's worth I'm sure the Als ownership will do its damndest to stage GCs at the Big O until the building inspectors force them out of there. 60,000 seats ready to go has far far far more revenue potential than 36,000 seats, 12,000 of which have to be rented and installed putting you in a break-even position on the temp seats.

[tomthumb2]

Originally Posted by esquire

^ Skydome is an option too for Toronto... Rogers said that the baseball-only functionality is only for the season. Once MLB is finished, Skydome can host CFL/NFL games again, among other things.

For what it's worth I'm sure the Als ownership will do its damndest to stage GCs at the Big O until the building inspectors force them out of there. 60,000 seats ready to go has far far far more revenue potential than 36,000 seats, 12,000 of which have to be rented and installed putting you in a break-even position on the temp seats.

I didn't know that about Skydome (glad to see people still call it that lol). I thought in addition to putting in real grass, that they were also going to change the seating a bit so the seats were closer to the diamond. I guess they will make them so they slide as opposed to permanent.

As for the Big O - was there for the last Grey Cup which was a blast. I know its unappealing inside, especially with that fugly roof but that place still can rock when its full. Plus I still think its a nice piece of architecture from the outside, even after all these years. Just my opinion - sure lots of others hate it.

Mtl is def one of those places in the CFL (like Toronto) where you can't go back to the well too often. Once very 10 years or so seems like the formula to get a sell out or close and create some buzz.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by tomthumb2

Mtl is def one of those places in the CFL (like Toronto) where you can't go back to the well too often. Once very 10 years or so seems like the formula to get a sell out or close and create some buzz.

If the CFL wants to keep this model where they sell tickets for $200-$500, well yeah, there's no way they can put a city into heavy rotation. When you consider that the at-home experience these days is great with huge HD screens, cheap beer and snacks and no traffic to fight or cold to endure, it becomes tough to justify spending hundreds and hundreds of dollars to go to the Grey Cup. I'm going this year in Wpg, but if the GC was coming back in 2017 I'd probably think twice about it.

The days of the past when the Grey Cup was in the same city for probably 4 out of every 5 seasons (Toronto) are long gone...

[Oilkountry]

Originally Posted by esquire

Yeah, I wonder if this is the final countdown for the Coyotes? Is it too late to announce a move to Quebec for the 15/16 season? I'm not kidding either, it was around the May long weekend that the move of the Thrashers to Winnipeg was announced, so you would think there is still a window of opportunity to get it done.

It seems practically inevitable at this point, just a matter of when.

Actually the owners said they lost less money than expected and Every revenue stream in the team is going up. I would more look at florida than Anything. The ownership in Glendale stated that the team isn't going anywhere and they predict profitability in the near future. They just signed a bunch of Tv deals new sponsorship deal for the arena.

[Oilkountry]

Originally Posted by esquire

If the CFL wants to keep this model where they sell tickets for $200-$500, well yeah, there's no way they can put a city into heavy rotation. When you consider that the at-home experience these days is great with huge HD screens, cheap beer and snacks and no traffic to fight or cold to endure, it becomes tough to justify spending hundreds and hundreds of dollars to go to the Grey Cup. I'm going this year in Wpg, but if the GC was coming back in 2017 I'd probably think twice about it.

The days of the past when the Grey Cup was in the same city for probably 4 out of every 5 seasons (Toronto) are long gone...

Im also going I will be at my computer the second they go on sale. I have a feeling they will sell quick this year

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Oilkountry

Actually the owners said they lost less money than expected and Every revenue stream in the team is going up. I would more look at florida than Anything. The ownership in Glendale stated that the team isn't going anywhere and they predict profitability in the near future. They just signed a bunch of Tv deals new sponsorship deal for the arena.

If the City of Glendale's council votes to terminate the Coyotes' lease as they are now reportedly looking at doing, then all that won't matter... it will be a question of whether the Coyotes owners sit down and agree to renegotiate a deal on terms more favourable to the City, or if they decide to just move or sell the team.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/glendale/2015/06/09/glendale-vote-coyotes-deal/28777933/

[Oilkountry]

Originally Posted by esquire

If the City of Glendale's council votes to terminate the Coyotes' lease as they are now reportedly looking at doing, then all that won't matter... it will be a question of whether the Coyotes owners sit down and agree to renegotiate a deal on terms more favourable to the City, or if they decide to just move or sell the team.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/glendale/2015/06/09/glendale-vote-coyotes-deal/28777933/

I wasn't even aware of this. Coyotes would have a really strong case against the city if They were to proceed with terminating the deal

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Oilkountry

I wasn't even aware of this. Coyotes would have a really strong case against the city if They were to proceed with terminating the deal

Yeah, the NHL is no doubt holding the threat of a damaging lawsuit over Glendale's heads. It's getting to be high stakes down there... although Glendale has been snookered so badly by the NHL over the years that they probably feel like they don't have much to lose at this point.

[osmo]

Originally Posted by esquire

^ Skydome is an option too for Toronto... Rogers said that the baseball-only functionality is only for the season. Once MLB is finished, Skydome can host CFL/NFL games again, among other things.

For what it's worth I'm sure the Als ownership will do its damndest to stage GCs at the Big O until the building inspectors force them out of there. 60,000 seats ready to go has far far far more revenue potential than 36,000 seats, 12,000 of which have to be rented and installed putting you in a break-even position on the temp seats.

Part of the Bell/Larry T...MLSE-ish deal is "two Greg Cups" which will be played at BMO Field so MLSE can gouge all the revenues. They will eventually have to go back to SkyDome after that GC deal is done and you are correct that only the baseball season is off limits for SkyDome as the rest of the year will be okay even with the new grass.

[WhipperSnapper]

Yeah, better Rogers gouge all the revenue than MLSE acting for the City of Toronto