YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 367

Spork · #**7321** Posted **May 31, 2015, 1:15 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

With Aeromexico commencing daily flights to MEX in December from YVR I realise this route is targeting more than just sun seekers. On one hand the YVR-sun destination weekly count of flights shoots up by 7 on Dec 9. But looking at this map this new route will provide excellent one stop options to the top Central and South American destinations.

https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hph...d321b81f83c30e4d1c2e5797357e&oe=55F95B7E

Every route is shorter via MEX than YYZ... for the 4 main YVR markets of LIM, SCL, EZE and GRU.... particularly for the western cities in SA.

I just came back from two weeks in Colombia and getting back was an absolute hassle. I woke up at 1:30am to catch a taxi at 2am to get to the airport at 3am, took a 5am flight to Panama City, had a 1 hour layover there, then arrived in Denver for a 7 hour layover. From door to door it took about 22 hours.

Connections through MEX will be very welcome for accessing that part of the world. I would better appreciate a connection to PTY, but perhaps MEX has good connections as well?

trofirhen · #**7322** Posted **May 31, 2015, 1:35 AM**

Good stuff, this Mexico City Connection.
If / when TWV goes through, I wonder if this might prod Air Canada into providing one or two nonstops from YVR to South America itself.
Like Lima and São Paulo, if nothing else.

Valley_Refugee · #**7323** Posted **Jun 1, 2015, 2:47 AM**

It's too bad that Benito Juarez is a customs nightmare and lacking in amenities. By distance and time, connections through MEX might make sense, but I'd rather go through IAH or YYZ experience-wise.

That being said, I've only been to MEX with Mexico City as my final destination. I'm not sure if they have a more efficient customs for transiting passengers, but I highly doubt it.

Johnny Aussie · #**7324** Posted **Jun 1, 2015, 10:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by Valley_Refugee

It's too bad that Benito Juarez is a customs nightmare and lacking in amenities. By distance and time, connections through MEX might make sense, but I'd rather go through IAH or YYZ experience-wise.

That being said, I've only been to MEX with Mexico City as my final destination. I'm not sure if they have a more efficient customs for transiting passengers, but I highly doubt it.

I've been to MEX both as a destination and as a transit passenger. Don't recall it being remarkable or horrible but it has been awhile.

Perhaps Aeromexico wanted to beat Volaris to the punch... There seemed to be a bit of interest by more than one Mexican airline at YVR. But AM is still by far the biggest Mexican player after MX's demise. Perhaps we haven't seen the last of additional flights....

tayser · #**7325** Posted **Jun 2, 2015, 11:12 AM**

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Originally Posted by thebus

Would have preferred MEL

Get in line!

trofirhen · #**7326** Posted **Jun 2, 2015, 4:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by thebus

Would have preferred MEL...

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Originally Posted by tayser

Get in line!

MEL will come along sooner or later. (better sooner than later) ... but imagine having three destinations in Australia !!

Johnny Aussie · #**7327** Posted **Jun 2, 2015, 7:42 PM**

Certainly slower growth than March but really still very strong compared to others in the region.

http://www.yvr.ca/Libraries/Aviation_Marketing/Traffic_UPdate_April_2015.sflb.ashx

Every subcategory is up and overall up over 53,000 pax compared to April 2014.

Overall up 4.2% YTD 5.6%
Domestic up 1.8% YTD 2.4%
Transborder up 10.6% YTD 13.1%
Asia Pacific up 1.0% YTD 2.8%
Europe up 2.3% YTD 8.0%
Misc Intl up 15.1% YTD 6.2%
TTL INTL up 6.9% YTD 8.8%
Cargo up 5.4% YTD 13.6%

trofirhen · #**7328** Posted **Jun 2, 2015, 8:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Certainly slower growth than March but really still very strong compared to others in the region.

Every subcategory is up and overall up over 53,000 pax compared to April 2014.

Overall up 4.2% YTD 5.6%
Domestic up 1.8% YTD 2.4%
Transborder up 10.6% YTD 13.1%
Asia Pacific up 1.0% YTD 2.8%
Europe up 2.3% YTD 8.0%
Misc Intl up 15.1% YTD 6.2%
TTL INTL up 6.9% YTD 8.8%
Cargo up 5.4% YTD 13.6%

Interesting breakdown, in fact. One would assume that Asia-Pacific would lead, but it's remarkably behind Europe, showing well in the YTD right behind TTL INTL.
(hope AF is a sufficient contributor to that

... Europe numbers have tended to be a fair bit lower than this in previous years)
Regarding the impressive surge in Transborder, I wonder how much of that is O/D, and how much connecting flights?
If the % of flights is largely connection, it might be a subtle indication for other eventual direct route destinations (after final dest' % analysis, of course)

Johnny Aussie · #**7329** Posted **Jun 2, 2015, 10:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Interesting breakdown, in fact. One would assume that Asia-Pacific would lead, but it's remarkably behind Europe, showing well in the YTD right behind TTL INTL.
(hope AF is a sufficient contributor to that

... Europe numbers have tended to be a fair bit lower than this in previous years)
Regarding the impressive surge in Transborder, I wonder how much of that is O/D, and how much connecting flights?
If the % of flights is largely connection, it might be a subtle indication for other eventual direct route destinations (after final dest' % analysis, of course)

Asia Pacific in pax numbers has increased more than Europe but not in % terms.
LH to MUC started later this year so offset the AF new service.

trofirhen · #**7330** Posted **Jun 2, 2015, 11:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Asia Pacific in pax numbers has increased more than Europe but not in % terms.
LH to MUC started later this year so offset the AF new service.

How would you assess the large increase in Transborder? Moreso O/D or connections?

Johnny Aussie · #**7331** Posted **Jun 3, 2015, 12:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

How would you assess the large increase in Transborder? Moreso O/D or connections?

I reckon both actually. O&D to LAX alone plus all the new rouge flights (and new routes to PSP and PHX) and Hawaii would have really pumped up the numbers though. We all know YVR is quite seasonal but transborder the last few months has exceeded the peak months of July and August just a couple of years ago.

Regardless overall growth international including transborder is pretty impressive. The upcoming winter additions are already lining up to be an even bigger year next year. I still think we may see some more rouge transborder action.

Johnny Aussie · #**7332** Posted **Jun 3, 2015, 1:52 PM**

OK... last one... promise!

http://www.rbc.com/economics/economic-reports/pdf/provincial-forecasts/provfcst-june2015.pdf

casper · #**7333** Posted **Jun 3, 2015, 1:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I reckon both actually. O&D to LAX alone plus all the new rouge flights (and new routes to PSP and PHX) and Hawaii would have really pumped up the numbers though. We all know YVR is quite seasonal but transborder the last few months has exceeded the peak months of July and August just a couple of years ago.

Regardless overall growth international including transborder is pretty impressive. The upcoming winter additions are already lining up to be an even bigger year next year. I still think we may see some more rouge transborder action.

Rouge is also adding proper business class seats onto its aircraft. Connecting passengers to Asia is not there target but having both economy and business may help.

What would be good is Miami but I am not certain there is demand for a 767. Probably won't happen.

Reno use to be a big CP/Canadian destination, not certain there is much of an attraction there anymore. Not certain what new destinations they have available.

Most of the other destinations in the West are probably to small for A319.

Johnny Aussie · #**7334** Posted **Jun 3, 2015, 8:35 PM**

I envision more flights to both PSP (to daily) and LAS (to double daily).

I could see SAN and even SNA a few flights per week.

A couple of flights per week to MIA and MCO wouldn't be outrageous. 319s can do it but maybe not so comfortably!

More flights to KOA and maybe even one or two weekly to LIH.

And... RNO? Nobody goes to Reno anymore. Thomas Cook was going to do two flights per week from LGW starting later this year but pulled already. However, perhaps a couple of flights per week like the old Thursday, Sunday flights.

Always fun to speculate.

Derek · #**7335** Posted **Jun 3, 2015, 9:07 PM**

I'm still baffled at the lack of SAN service.

trofirhen · #**7336** Posted **Jun 3, 2015, 10:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by Derek

I'm still baffled at the lack of SAN service.

You're not the only one.

casper · #**7337** Posted **Jun 4, 2015, 2:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I envision more flights to both PSP (to daily) and LAS (to double daily).

I could see SAN and even SNA a few flights per week.

A couple of flights per week to MIA and MCO wouldn't be outrageous. 319s can do it but maybe not so comfortably!

More flights to KOA and maybe even one or two weekly to LIH.

And... RNO? Nobody goes to Reno anymore. Thomas Cook was going to do two flights per week from LGW starting later this year but pulled already. However, perhaps a couple of flights per week like the old Thursday, Sunday flights.

Always fun to speculate.

I think Vegas is at least twice daily now from time to time. Earlier in the year I missed my connection in Vancouver and was moved to a later Rogue flight.

Last time I was in RNO was three-four years ago. Most of the old strip is still there, In some ways is it more "real" than Vegas. That said, I am not a gambler, so am usually only there for meetings of some sort.

If they can do Miami on a A319, that would be an excellent route. I would have expected it to be a stretch.

I also don't understand why SNA and SAN are not being served.

2009 · #**7338** Posted **Jun 4, 2015, 3:13 AM**

YVR April 2015 numbers are up!

http://www.yvr.ca/Libraries/Aviation_Marketing/Traffic_UPdate_April_2015.sflb.ashx

Overall (1,554,656) up 4.2% (YTD up 5.6%)

Domestic (792,306) up 1.8% (YTD 2.4%)
Transborder (403,363) up 10.6% (YTD up 13.1%)
Asia Pacific (220,997) up 1.0% (YTD up 2.8%)
Europe (87,587) up 2.3% (YTD up 8.0%)
Misc Int'l (50,403) up 15.1% (YTD up 6.2%)
Total Int'l (762,350) up 6.9% (YTD up 5.6%)
Cargo (20,244) up 5.4% (YTD up 13.6%)

dharper · #**7339** Posted **Jun 4, 2015, 6:24 AM**

Not that there is anything wrong with airline route discussion, but why is it in a thread about development of YVR and Sea Island?

Johnny Aussie · #**7340** Posted **Jun 4, 2015, 7:34 AM**

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Originally Posted by dharper

Not that there is anything wrong with airline route discussion, but why is it in a thread about development of YVR and Sea Island?

Well the precedent was set with post #9 almost 10 years ago....

I think pax numbers, cargo numbers, route developments etc all relate to actual development so it is an all encompassing discussion regarding YVR. Perhaps a new category should be created or change the name of this one... In any event like I said the precedent was set 10 years ago.... hard to change old habits!