Stadiums and Arenas of Canada part 2 - Page 63

thurmas · #**1241** Posted **May 29, 2015, 7:53 PM**

The imbalance of power revenue generation wise between the Western and Eastern CFL teams is alarming. The CFL seriously needs to go to revenue sharing like the NFL so the league can market itself more effectively and grow more effectively instead of just the Riders sitting on a pile of dough that only helps 1 team out of 9.

blueandgoldguy · #**1242** Posted **May 29, 2015, 8:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by thurmas

The imbalance of power revenue generation wise between the Western and Eastern CFL teams is alarming. The CFL seriously needs to go to revenue sharing like the NFL so the league can market itself more effectively and grow more effectively instead of just the Riders sitting on a pile of dough that only helps 1 team out of 9.

The closest the CFL will ever come to revenue sharing is the national tv contract as all teams have given up their right to a local tv contract. All the other teams don't have the substantial annual operating profits to justify revenue - sharing...except the Riders and there has never been a pro league in which one team and one team only has provided revenue sharing to the league's weaker sisters.

esquire · #**1243** Posted **May 29, 2015, 8:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by blueandgoldguy

The closest the CFL will ever come to revenue sharing is the national tv contract as all teams have given up their right to a local tv contract. All the other teams don't have the substantial annual operating profits to justify revenue - sharing...except the Riders and there has never been a pro league in which one team and one team only has provided revenue sharing to the league's weaker sisters.

Yeah, even these days, I'd wager that the margins are too tight in the CFL to allow for meaningful revenue sharing. Even the Riders probably couldn't handle a significant revenue sharing hit, and I'd think it would be a non-starter for the other western teams.

Anyway, I hadn't really thought of it in those terms, but yeah, the TSN deal basically IS revenue sharing. League revenues would be quite lopsided if the teams sold their regional rights, although I wonder how revenues would look if they did it that way?

Nathan · #**1244** Posted **May 29, 2015, 8:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by thurmas

The imbalance of power revenue generation wise between the Western and Eastern CFL teams is alarming. The CFL seriously needs to go to revenue sharing like the NFL so the league can market itself more effectively and grow more effectively instead of just the Riders sitting on a pile of dough that only helps 1 team out of 9.

The optics are quite poor though. With the Riders being community owned, all "profits" are designated for a stabilisation reserve, improvements to the team/operations, and thousands and thousands of $ of community support initiatives (in last year's report, it added up to over $1 million in sponsorships, donations, and initiatives). You would in effect be syphoning this money to support a private owner would actually personally draw profit (this applies for Winnipeg and Edmonton too).

There'd be a pretty massive uproar here too... In the past the Riders had to hold telethons, have lotteries, barter wheat for tickets, have loans forgiven by the province, rent-free stadium use, etc to just barely scrape by, while the likes of Toronto and Montreal were giving away massive contracts to players (Flutie, Rocket Ismail, Ferragamo, etc).

In any case, as the TV deal improves, it will become a larger and larger part of overall revenue for each team. And this is something that is equally split/shared along with merch bought at non-team stores, league-wide sponsorships (e.g. Grey Cup presented by Shaw), etc.

Oilkountry · #**1245** Posted **May 29, 2015, 9:59 PM**

Speaking of the TV deal its been extended from the original year of 2018 to 2021. (I realize this isn't stadium related but its kinda slow right now) I feel like this was a good move more both parties. Although with all the stadium craze could the league have gotten a better deal? I would probably ride this deal out now and do everything in your power to grow the game to get double that money in 2022. Its never been reported the amount the deal is for but I've heard 40M per season and 36M per season. My question has always been the ESPN deal. It came after the TSN deal so is their additional revenue for that? at 40M per season that's like 4.5M per team, but I'm sure the league takes a cut as well. So even at 3.8M per season that's a good chunk of your salaries off the table.

thurmas · #**1246** Posted **May 29, 2015, 10:09 PM**

I am just saying watch out when the Riders open their new stadium and the amount of revenue they will be able to generate compared to say the Montreal Alouettes in old Molson stadium which just has a few private suites and metal benches. Say hypothetically the Riders generate a $30 million profit in 2017 where is that profit best utilized? Going right into Riders pockets to benefit 1 club or spread throughout the league for better marketing to kids and young people and more name recognition of CFL players throughout Canada. We have tor realize the damage that was done to the cfl in the 80's 90's and early 2000's of their horrible lack of marketing, get rich quick signings of big name players that failed and poor decisions in choosing the proper sized stadiums as homes for clubs that only now the league had finally climbed out of.

Nathan · #**1247** Posted **May 29, 2015, 10:31 PM**

^^Well the Stadium was made possible through surcharges on tickets bought by fans and funding from the province/city, so the money would be best utilised by giving back to the people who made it possible (to a greater degree than they already do).

And I doubt it would go that high. I'm guessing the stadium will add a couple million to the bottom line... Not massive in magnitude, but on a percentage basis, which the tweet talked about, it is a large value.

caltrane74 · #**1248** Posted **May 30, 2015, 12:41 AM**

I'm watching the FIFA game at THF, and the turf looks and plays TERRIBLE!!!

elly63 · #**1249** Posted **May 30, 2015, 2:09 AM**

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I'm watching the FIFA game at THF, and the turf looks and plays TERRIBLE!!!

???

If by FIFA game, you mean Canada/England I have no idea what you're talking about. Does somebody have to post that TFC fan pic again?

caltrane74 · #**1250** Posted **May 30, 2015, 2:26 AM**

stadium looks nice though...

Oilkountry · #**1251** Posted **May 30, 2015, 2:34 AM**

I thought commonwealth had to get a new turf before this tourney?

*update* they did put in a new turf and the idiots didnt fix the endzones.....STUPID!! I dont know why I'm so offended by this but holy Christ I could snap. Not only that they cheaped out and used the corners from the old field because they were still new. To save what $10,000? So Edmonton

esquire · #**1252** Posted **May 30, 2015, 3:17 AM**

^ It's such a tiny sliver of field we're talking about...honestly, it will make zero difference.

itom 987 · #**1253** Posted **May 30, 2015, 3:41 AM**

Source: https://twitter.com/RogersPlace/status/604355216687816704/photo/1

Oilkountry · #**1254** Posted **May 30, 2015, 3:59 AM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

^ It's such a tiny sliver of field we're talking about...honestly, it will make zero difference.

that's not the huge deal. I just cant believe they didn't fill that circle in. That's a joke

Boris2k7 · #**1255** Posted **May 30, 2015, 4:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by itom 987

Source: https://twitter.com/RogersPlace/status/604355216687816704/photo/1

Awesome. I love how this is shaping up. I wish our own arena/stadium proposal would shape up as well.

ScreamingViking · #**1256** Posted **May 30, 2015, 5:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by thurmas

The imbalance of power revenue generation wise between the Western and Eastern CFL teams is alarming. The CFL seriously needs to go to revenue sharing like the NFL so the league can market itself more effectively and grow more effectively instead of just the Riders sitting on a pile of dough that only helps 1 team out of 9.

The imbalance is there, but I don't think there's a need for a formal revenue sharing system now. Maybe once the stability is much more established, and we know longer-term how profitable the East teams will be and whether the Riders' phenomenal success continues (no reason to think it will not, but we've seen plenty of feast/famine in the league over the decades).

Given the various bailouts and parachuted ownerships in the past, there's been a sharing concept. A concept that is hopefully no longer needed.

craner · #**1257** Posted **May 30, 2015, 5:21 AM**

^^Or at least "show up".

#**1258** Posted **May 30, 2015, 5:34 AM**

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mistercorporate · #**1259** Posted **May 30, 2015, 2:18 PM**

Fantastic turnout for a WNT friendly, way to go Hamilton!

craner · #**1260** Posted **May 30, 2015, 3:42 PM**

THF looks great!
What was the score?