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Old Posted May 20, 2015, 7:35 PM
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Is that the nicest train station in the country or what?

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Old Posted May 20, 2015, 7:41 PM
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It's huge too.

You can already see a new glassy condo building next to the GO Station. That area will be red hot with condo activity.

Rumour is that Premier Wynne will announce Hamilton's LRT funding in June. She'll announce it at the West Harbour GO Station.
     
     
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Old Posted May 20, 2015, 7:59 PM
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I am unfamiliar with this new Hamilton Go station. Will it become Hamilton's next transit hub or will it just be a commuter station serving downtown Toronto? What will happen to the Hamilton GO Centre?
     
     
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Old Posted May 20, 2015, 8:02 PM
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The GO Station above will eventually service the Niagara Region as well. So it'll become a mini hub.

In the short term Niagara Region will take the GO Bus to the West Harbour GO Station and transfer to take the Train to the Toronto area.

The other GO Station will remain with rush hour GO Train service. We don't know the schedule yet for the new station.

I'd imagine rush hour service to the Hunter GO Station and non rush hour service to the new West Harbour GO Station.
     
     
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Old Posted May 20, 2015, 10:50 PM
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Metro Vancouver receives A grade for transit: national report card

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A report card comparing six major transit regions in Canada ranks Metro Vancouver’s TransLink-run system second after Montreal.
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Old Posted May 21, 2015, 1:53 AM
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"TransLink’s passenger trip intensity, which compares the number of passengers with the number of hours in service, was also the highest, with the report finding that Metro Vancouver has “the most productive transit service in Canada.” It also had the most revenue kilometres per hour at 24.9 kilometers."
This does not mean they are better. It means they are forcing more people onto more infrequent transit services, to fill a budget gap.
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Old Posted May 21, 2015, 2:22 PM
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This does not mean they are better. It means they are forcing more people onto more infrequent transit services, to fill a budget gap.
I lived in Van, North van and burnaby for 7 years and never found the skytrain or bus to be infrequent compared to other Canadian cities (although the Sunday seabus service left a lot to be desired in the non-summer months). Most buses on most routes have great off-peak service around every 7-8 minutes, and in fact, I didn't realise how good I had it until I moved east. What are you basing your statement on?

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Old Posted May 21, 2015, 3:50 PM
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Frequency comparisons can be silly at times. I mean, yes, the Toronto subway is extraordinarily frequent with 4 minute service at 1am on a Wednesday... but would 7 minute service really be that bad?
     
     
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I lived in Van, North van and burnaby for 7 years and never found the skytrain or bus to be infrequent compared to other Canadian cities (although the Sunday seabus service left a lot to be desired in the non-summer months). Most buses on most routes have great off-peak service around every 7-8 minutes, and in fact, I didn't realise how good I had it until I moved east. What are you basing your statement on?
Translink has been what they call "optimizing" service for the past few years, because they have no new funding.
This has meant that many routes have seen service either cut outright or reduced frequencies. On super frequent routes it is not an issue. But some routes in suburban areas, where service is much more infrequent, has been slashed. There is no doubt, some of these cuts to frequency have made the system unattractive, and therefore less people are using it. The norm throughout suburban Vancouver, is 30 - 60 minutes. So when you play around with already infrequent service like that, it is bound to chase away riders.
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Translink has been what they call "optimizing" service for the past few years, because they have no new funding.
This has meant that many routes have seen service either cut outright or reduced frequencies. On super frequent routes it is not an issue. But some routes in suburban areas, where service is much more infrequent, has been slashed. There is no doubt, some of these cuts to frequency have made the system unattractive, and therefore less people are using it. The norm throughout suburban Vancouver, is 30 - 60 minutes. So when you play around with already infrequent service like that, it is bound to chase away riders.
That is a good point, and though I was there during the "optimizations", I rarely went south of the Fraser to Surry/Langley etc. which are the suburban areas I believe you're referring to; many of their bus routes do get off-peak 30-60 minute frequencies.
Here in Montréal, the métro is quite good, and can actually go more than a single weekend weekend without major closures or 9 am service starts (I'm looking at you, Toronto) but the bus service, despite the supposed réseau 10 min max routes (which are rarely in 10 min max periods), is simply terrible. They are so infrequent that the arrival of each bus seems almost like that of a commuter train. One pretty much has to consult their timetables before using them, and would be so much better off biking when the weather permits.
     
     
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Why do Prairie cities seem to not want to put transit maps in their bus shelters?
     
     
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Why do Prairie cities seem to not want to put transit maps in their bus shelters?
We don't have them either, only at SkyTrain stations and at major exchanges. Seems unnecessary to me. If you're at a stop, supposedly you've looked up how to get where you're going before that, not to mention the big expense of putting up maps at every stop.
     
     
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We don't have them either, only at SkyTrain stations and at major exchanges. Seems unnecessary to me. If you're at a stop, supposedly you've looked up how to get where you're going before that, not to mention the big expense of putting up maps at every stop.
How do they expect tourists to get around then? Taxi it everywhere? If you take a wrong turn and get a bit lost how are you supposed to find your way? Not everyone has a smart phone with GPS.
     
     
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Old Posted May 22, 2015, 9:30 PM
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Frequency comparisons can be silly at times. I mean, yes, the Toronto subway is extraordinarily frequent with 4 minute service at 1am on a Wednesday... but would 7 minute service really be that bad?
You have to do it right. 7 minutes is not bad, but also not the best. The 5 minute rule makes random connections very easy and not time consuming.
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Frequency to a point is everything. Look at the Washington Metro. Should have the ability to run super high frequency since there is a soon to be again operational automatic train control, but the frequencies are crap. Trains every twenty minutes on some branches, and while they run late on weekends, other days it midnight is the cut off.

But the difference between 4 and 7 minutes is pretty small for the walk up customer. An average one and a half minutes extra waiting time.
     
     
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Frequency comparisons can be silly at times. I mean, yes, the Toronto subway is extraordinarily frequent with 4 minute service at 1am on a Wednesday... but would 7 minute service really be that bad?
7 min is far worse than 4 min. It's not terrible, but 4 min is way better. It makes a difference when you have a transit system where you have to do one or more transfers, or you do multiple trips during the day, or do short trips. It makes it easier to rely on transit for all day needs instead of just commuting to work, if off-peak frequencies are good.

There are places in Toronto where even on the bus service you'll rarely wait more than 5 minutes unless it's pretty late at night, often less than 2 min (along central Eglinton, where the LRT is being built).
     
     
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Old Posted May 23, 2015, 12:59 PM
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London is moving ahead with some form of rapid transit. BRT or LRT or a combination of both will be decided later in the year. Here are the routes being proposed (from the London Free Press)

City hall recommending pair of corridors to serve as spines of London's proposed rapid-transit system

In a city with about 40 transit routes, the future may be built around two main corridors.

London’s $380-million vision for a rapid-transit system is coming into sharper focus, with city hall set to announce a pair of L-shaped routes that would be the heart of the massive overhaul, The Free Press has learned.

The so-called “preferred corridors” — recommended over several options after city officials gathered input from thousands of citizens — would run:

From the Masonville Place area along Richmond St., past Western University to the core, and east to Fanshawe College.
From the White Oaks Mall area along Wellington Rd. to the core, and west to the intersection of Wonderland Rd. and Oxford St.
So-called transit villages, areas where more intense development is planned, would pop up along those routes.

Other traditional routes would be designed to feed those two main paths, so even commuters not along them would have quick access.

The system would run along King St. in the core, making the downtown stretch of Dundas St. bus-free.

A focus on feeding into downtown London is a key part of the proposed transit blueprint, which Mayor Matt Brown says is the lifeblood of the vision for targeted growth outlined in the London Plan.

“There is no London Plan without rapid transit,” Brown said.

And there’s no rapid transit if it isn’t rapid — a challenge created by the level rail crossings that have long frustrated city drivers and snarled traffic.

So the transit plan’s next phase offers another new option: a transit-only tunnel that could be dug under the tracks cutting across Richmond St. just north of Richmond Row.

The tunnel would run from Central Ave. to north of Oxford St. Cars would veer around its openings and remain on Richmond St.

As these plans develop, they do so in the shadow of a massive price tag, in the hundreds of millions of dollars. About $100 million of that would be needed from city hall, with much of that coming from development charges.

The rest would be sought from the provincial and federal governments — both of whom have indicated money for these kinds of municipal projects will be available. The Ontario government, for example, has earmarked $15 billion for transportation investment outside Toronto, its suburbs and Hamilton. So securing the money is a reasonable possibility, at this point, for London.

But the creation of the plan is just like a cross-city commute: faster is better.

In January, the mayor announced the start of Shift, an environmental assessment that sets the stage for rapid transit. Its early priority has been gathering citizen input.

In five months, 6,500 people have weighed in. While making people less car-reliant and aiding the environment are important issues, the feedback suggests the top priority for Londoners is creating a faster, more comfortable service.

Shift’s second stage of public consultation starts next week, with public meetings at which the two recommended main routes will be made public.

The proposed rapid-transit system may include light rail, rapid bus routes or a combination of both. City hall is expected to recommend which technology to use by year’s end.

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City hall wants to hear from Londoners as the second stage of its public consultations on a proposed rapid-transit system ramps up. Two meetings are slated for next week:

Thursday, 4:30 p.m. to 8 p.m. at Western Fair Agriplex
Saturday, 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. at the Goodwill centre, 255 Horton St. E.
Go to shiftlondon.ca for details

     
     
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Old Posted May 23, 2015, 11:23 PM
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London better make some concrete plans now. The province is doling out transit money like candy... especially outside the GTHA where the $15B allocation is undercommitted.. so now's the time to get it.
     
     
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I lived in Van, North van and burnaby for 7 years and never found the skytrain or bus to be infrequent compared to other Canadian cities (although the Sunday seabus service left a lot to be desired in the non-summer months). Most buses on most routes have great off-peak service around every 7-8 minutes, and in fact, I didn't realise how good I had it until I moved east. What are you basing your statement on?
Yeah, no kidding. When I moved to Vancouver from Toronto I realized that I moved up the transit ladder, not down.

The best thing about Translink compared to the TTC is that Translink actually treats its riders like customers, and has some knowledge about how to run an integrated transportation system, not just individual transit lines. This means everything from integrated bike facilities, to clear, consistent wayfinding and, most importantly, seamless integration across the region. Translink has had a few hiccups but compared to the TTC it is a dream. Vancouverites don't know how good they have it.

The reason that the Toronto has a higher ridership than Vancouver is simply because it is easier to drive around Vancouver. Again, despite what Vancouverites think, Vancouver is very uncongested and its arterial road system is actually designed for a large amount of throughput. Things like parallel 6 lane arterials every 600 meters (Granville, Oak, Cambie, Main) is unheard of anywhere in Toronto. Also, parking ranges from ridiculously cheap to free compared with Toronto. Vancouver is basically LA without freeways and with a walking/transit culture.
     
     
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Yeah, no kidding. When I moved to Vancouver from Toronto I realized that I moved up the transit ladder, not down.
Interesting.
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