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dubu · #**3421** Posted **Feb 4, 2015, 1:19 AM**

i think in 30 years the orange line will go to downtown oak grove and there will be a pedestrian brige from there to lo.

urbanlife · #**3422** Posted **Feb 4, 2015, 1:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by dabom

i think in 30 years the orange line will go to downtown oak grove and there will be a pedestrian brige from there to lo.

I don't see it going to downtown Oak Grove, but I do see it eventually going further down 99E. Also, much of the river is private property along Oak Grove and LakeO, so I don't see either side being for a pedestrian bridge, nor do I see anyone wanting to pay for it.

bvpcvm · #**3423** Posted **Feb 4, 2015, 4:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by dabom

downtown oak grove

dubu · #**3424** Posted **Feb 4, 2015, 4:32 AM**

that doesnt count as a downtown now days? its a downtown to me

bvpcvm · #**3425** Posted **Feb 4, 2015, 5:31 AM**

What, this?

dubu · #**3426** Posted **Feb 4, 2015, 5:43 AM**

a little further down oak grove road by the trolly trail

bvpcvm · #**3427** Posted **Feb 4, 2015, 6:51 AM**

Well, I wouldn't call one 2-story building a "downtown", but to each their own, I guess...

urbanlife · #**3428** Posted **Feb 4, 2015, 7:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by dabom

a little further down oak grove road by the trolly trail

You probably should get out of Oak Grove more if that is what a downtown is to you. It is a quaint two block street from a bygone era, but that is about it.

dubu · #**3429** Posted **Feb 4, 2015, 5:22 PM**

im always in oregon city and milwaukie. i sometimes go to 82nd and se portland but theres not much there to want to move away from here

if the green line went to oregon city id move by i 205 for sure though

the thing id want to happen next have the green line go from vancouver to oregon city. the whole east side of the metro would be done with light rail

davehogan · #**3430** Posted **Feb 6, 2015, 7:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by dabom

im always in oregon city and milwaukie. i sometimes go to 82nd and se portland but theres not much there to want to move away from here

if the green line went to oregon city id move by i 205 for sure though

the thing id want to happen next have the green line go from vancouver to oregon city. the whole east side of the metro would be done with light rail

The MAX isn't going to expand in Clackamas County anytime soon. All plans outside the Powell/Division and SW Corridors were essentially put on hold when CC voted against future rail expansion in the county.

They will rearrange bus service between Milwaukie, OC, CTC, and Sellwood, but that's about it.

LRT to Vancouver just isn't going to happen anytime soon. That ship has sailed, and rural Clark County prevented anything from happening. The next HCT expansion the Metro region will see after the Orange Line opens is almost definitely going to be the Powell/Division corridor.

bvpcvm · #**3431** Posted **Feb 6, 2015, 1:09 PM**

Wasn't it just Milwaukie that voted against future rail?

dubu · #**3432** Posted **Feb 6, 2015, 5:31 PM**

i think every light rail line has been voted against except the hillsburo and gresham ones. i dont think people would vote against extending the green line because i 205 is really slow sometimes

davehogan · #**3433** Posted **Feb 7, 2015, 6:58 AM**

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Originally Posted by bvpcvm

Wasn't it just Milwaukie that voted against future rail?

Nope, Clackamas County. Milwaukie I'm pretty sure voted for it, the rest of the county screwed that up for them.

It'll be interesting to see how that plays out since Amtrak goes through Oregon City (and much more of Clackamas County) so there are potential issues that weren't mentioned when it was voted on.

davehogan · #**3434** Posted **Feb 7, 2015, 7:02 AM**

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Originally Posted by dabom

i think every light rail line has been voted against except the hillsburo and gresham ones. i dont think people would vote against extending the green line because i 205 is really slow sometimes

Clackamas County is required to send letters to the federal and state DOT's to let them know they're opposed to more rail infrastructure in their county. That's why Powell/Division and SW Corridor will be built before any new Clackamas County routes.

If Washington County complains, fine. The Powell/Division will be a great BRT demonstration corridor. If it works it can (in the future) become a tunnel/BRT guideway for LRT, and if it's just one of the most used buses in Portland, that's cool.

urbanlife · #**3435** Posted **Feb 7, 2015, 11:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by davehogan

Clackamas County is required to send letters to the federal and state DOT's to let them know they're opposed to more rail infrastructure in their county. That's why Powell/Division and SW Corridor will be built before any new Clackamas County routes.

If Washington County complains, fine. The Powell/Division will be a great BRT demonstration corridor. If it works it can (in the future) become a tunnel/BRT guideway for LRT, and if it's just one of the most used buses in Portland, that's cool.

Trimet was lucky getting the two lines into Clackamas County before they voted opposition to light rail. The Green line doesn't need to be expanded any further, and the Orange line could be expanded, but the people that live along the 99E Corridor should be the ones pushing for it if they ever talk about extending it.

The Powell Division corridor is an important one, I would like to see it be a rail line or a rail/bus line system, but if it is a BRT it should be exclusive rather than a half assed idea.

I do see the SW Corridor light rail line getting built and be a massive project overall for Portland that may or may not go that far into Tualatin or Tigard. I think it is a mistake for Washington County not pushing for new rail lines throughout that county. We should be expanding the red line and adding a new line to that county to keep pace with the growth going on, especially since it looks like they won't be trying to add any new freeways.

dubu · #**3436** Posted **Feb 8, 2015, 12:42 AM**

powell would be more a street car then light rail and probably just go to i 205. same with the barber road in the future.

portland doesnt need a lot of light rail but it needs longer lines.

dubu · #**3437** Posted **Feb 8, 2015, 10:30 PM**

the next light rail should actually be along the two lane freeway in beaverton/ tigard. then have the barber and powell turn from brt to streetcar/ light rail

davehogan · #**3438** Posted **Feb 10, 2015, 7:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by urbanlife

Trimet was lucky getting the two lines into Clackamas County before they voted opposition to light rail. The Green line doesn't need to be expanded any further, and the Orange line could be expanded, but the people that live along the 99E Corridor should be the ones pushing for it if they ever talk about extending it.

The Powell Division corridor is an important one, I would like to see it be a rail line or a rail/bus line system, but if it is a BRT it should be exclusive rather than a half assed idea.

I think the big issue is that the Powell/Division Corridor is mostly being sold as a way to connect East Portland to the Green Line. The Orange Line as designed will work well, and it creates a corridor from SE Milwaukie to PSU for buses. From there to 39th it'll be half-assed, but it'll still be a lot faster than the existing bus if it's built as Metro has pushed at the community workshops I've gone to.

It looks like it'll be exclusive lanes from about Foster/50th to SE 92nd, and on Division from SE 92nd to Gresham. Them it can continue to Mt Hood Community college, and connect MHCC to the Blue Line, as well as Division from Gresham to the Green Line.

It will serve as an express/feeder service to the two east side MAX lines, and along Powell will allow people to move faster than the current 9 which stops every 2-3 blocks. It's also overcrowded almost every time I use it, so having an express that serves the same corridor probably won't hurt anything.

For 27 or 38 blocks it will be in mixed traffic, but that's not really that bad if it's not frequently stopping, can jump the traffic in some parts (like from SE 17th to Milwaukie), and can use the TriMet bridge instead of the Ross Island.

In the long run a light rail line will be a nice, but for now (and from what they said at workshops, it'll open in 2020 instead of 2030 if they opt for the compromised BRT) preserving ROW along Powell east of Foster and along Division seems like a good incremental step.

MarkDaMan · #**3439** Posted **May 20, 2015, 7:10 PM**

Researcher: Carpooling, biking could save billions in Portland and beyond
May 20, 2015, 6:47am PDT
Andy Giegerich
Portland Business Journal

http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/morn...kFaEqOvgXoyG8/wIKsmMtmSIXCT&t=1432148100

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As the Portland area prepares to welcome a new light-rail line, a new report from a nationally respected researcher suggests that alternative ransportation modes could bring myriad benefits.

Deloitte’s Public Sector Research organization's Smart Mobility report found that such strategies could bring reduced congestion. Among other modes, the study found that ridesharing services such as carpooling, bike commuting, carsharing and on-demand ride services could slash carbon emissions while saving billions.

For instance, ridesharing could save $30.3 billion for both individuals and cities looking to slash community costs. The strategy could also lower carbon emissions by 9.1 million metric tons annually.

Bike commuting strategies could further save commuters and cities $27.6 billion annually and reduce carbon emissions by 5 million metric tons.

The report further detailed ways each strategy would work within different areas.

For instance, carsharing works well in dense urban cores while on-demand ride services work well in underserved sections. Bike commuting can help both urban core and suburban commercial center neighborhoods.

The report features interactive maps that break down the potential savings and the number of potential new commuters by census track and interactive tables by metropolitan area.

2oh1 · #**3440** Posted **May 20, 2015, 7:35 PM**

June 17 Public hearing on proposed streetcar fare increase

If adopted, this latest increase would mean the price for an annual pass on the Streetcar will have jumped from $100 to $440 in three years!

Fare Type: Existing Price >>> Proposed New Price
Streetcar Only (2.5 Hours): 1.00 >>> $2.00
Streetcar Only Monthly Pass: $23.00 >>> $40.00
Streetcar Only Annual Pass: $250.00 >>> $440.00
Etc. More info here.

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Portland Streetcar is proposing to increase the cost of the "Streetcar Only" fare from $1.00 to $2.00 beginning September 1, 2015. The increased cost of the 2.5 hour "Streetcar Only" fare will also effect the price of the "Streetcar Only" monthly and annual passes.

The proposed fare increase also will allow expanded and improved service, including new service over Tilikum Crossing: Bridge of the People beginning in September.

A public hearing on the proposed fare increase is scheduled for June 17, 2015 in the Portland Building, Room B (1120 SW 5th Ave, 2nd Floor) from 6-7pm.

Questions or Comments?

Please call or email Portland Streetcar, Inc. with questions or comments about the proposed fare increase: [email protected] or 503-222-4200.

I didn't realize they changed the streetcar's logo.

The old logo:

The new logo:

I prefer the old logo, though it could have used a bit of an update. The new logo looks far more modern, but it's generic and has no connection to Portland. Ah well. Whatever.