YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Johnny Aussie]

Thanks for posting those SpongeG

I actually have a favourites folder of youtube videos that I created called YVR inaugurals.. only because there have been so many in the last few years. There are 12 in there just from the last 2-3 years!

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Yeah I read quite a bit.. my thoughts were more rhetorical and thinking out loud. #15? Wow and that was up from #33 in 2008. Just seeing where Vancouver is on that list and the surrounding company it keeps is just surprising that's all.

Yes, I hear you. When one thinks 'financial center', Vancouver isn't the first place that springs to mind for me lol. Too bad the RMB clearing center went to Toronto -- would've really been beneficial for Vancouver.

Sorry, I'm getting a bit off-topic...

[SFUVancouver]

Originally Posted by moosejaw

The outlet mall concept works well in south Florida with foreigners
We have an abundance of travelers that come from Brazil for the day just to buy what you would call luxury retail items
South Florida already has two malls (two of the largest in the country in terms of GSF) that run shuttles directly from the airports to the malls.
Some people do same day trips. For example its impossible to find jeans that fits an average american woman, but in Brazil the guess store carries very odd sizes.
In fact i know of several people that make a living of driving around families from Brazil in navigators and escalades shuttling families to purchase items
These items are not made to consume but to resale back in their home country. Big market

Wonder with all the upscale retailers if this mall will accommodate international travelers the same way. Pretty smart to put it adjacent to an airport.

At the moment I am a conference in Chengdu China on airport commercial development and a statistic was shared that Chinese travellers spend 57% of their total trip expenditure (including flights, accommodation, food, etc.) on retail purchases a their destination. That's a big deal for airports and cities that are catering to the Chinese travel market.

[Johnny Aussie]

In late June CI is adding two additional round-trips on its YVR-TPE route.

The flights will operate on 28th and 30th June. Arriving at 1400 and departing at 1540 from YVR.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/05/15/ci-tpeyvr-jun15/

It's only two flights but hey.... they are on 744s. Get as much 744 action as you can before that beautiful bird is phased out completely.

Taipei keeps on slowly ramping up. As mentioned previously Eva Air adding a 5th weekly year-round commencing December.

[Johnny Aussie]

The YVR 2015 AGM is now on youtube... if you have an hour and 37 minutes available... have a watch! I haven't watched it myself yet so not sure if there is any update on the TWOV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoGo0VRyxdQ

YVR youtube channel in general is here...

https://www.youtube.com/user/airportYVR

[red-paladin]

I watched (mostly listened) to the AGM, and TWOV is brought up. Again it's said that it's critical to gain this ability, and there is the possibility of flights from Asia to South America.. but we are just told about the ongoing negotiations with the Federal Government. They do say that MacArthur Glen will be open in the first 2 weeks of July.

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by red-paladin

I watched (mostly listened) to the AGM, and TWOV is brought up. Again it's said that it's critical to gain this ability, and there is the possibility of flights from Asia to South America.. but we are just told about the ongoing negotiations with the Federal Government. They do say that MacArthur Glen will be open in the first 2 weeks of July.

On a thread on airliners.net, someone claimed Air Canada was lobbying against TWOV as it threatened their own S American flights. No idea whether this is true, but could certainly explain the delay (and why 5 government departments are involved...)

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Hourglass

On a thread on airliners.net, someone claimed Air Canada was lobbying against TWOV as it threatened their own S American flights. No idea whether this is true, but could certainly explain the delay (and why 5 government departments are involved...)

It sounds typical and predictable that Air Canada would be lobbying against this. The AC fortress hub at YYZ serves many Asian destinations
and South American destinations. This is the necesary "hub" Calin Rovinescu talks about: YYZ. They're going to fight to keep everything they have.

[urbanfan89]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

It sounds typical and predictable that Air Canada would be lobbying against this. The AC fortress hub at YYZ serves many Asian destinations
and South American destinations. This is the necesary "hub" Calin Rovinescu talks about: YYZ. They're going to fight to keep everything they have.

The government should be showing tough love to AC with this attitude. If anything, TWOV will benefit AC the most, as it instantly becomes a convenient option for Asia/USA traffic. Successful TWOV at YVR will quickly lead to TWOV introduced at YYZ, making AC one of the prime competitors on Asia/South America.

Rovinescu should be told in no uncertain terms that any more demands for protection will lead to punishment in the form of increased access granted to the Gulf Arab airlines.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by urbanfan89

The government should be showing tough love to AC with this attitude. If anything, TWOV will benefit AC the most, as it instantly becomes a convenient option for Asia/USA traffic. Successful TWOV at YVR will quickly lead to TWOV introduced at YYZ, making AC one of the prime competitors on Asia/South America.

Rovinescu should be told in no uncertain terms that any more demands for protection will lead to punishment in the form of increased access granted to the Gulf Arab airlines.

Thank you for the reinforcing feedback.
However, I don't think the government will show any "tough "love" to Air Canada. I think Calin Rovinescu is a hypocrite who will get away with YYZ monopolizing all the action.
And I think the foot-dragging by the government on TWOV is gearing up so that YYZ gets it first.

[Johnny Aussie]

So the race is now on to see who will operate the first A350 to YVR.

China Airlines has stated in 3Q 2016 for YVR.

https://talkairlines.wordpress.com/2015/...wb-cabin-design-and-outlines-route-plan/

[Johnny Aussie]

Sorry for constantly posting good news stories! But lately that's mostly all I can find!

Looks like Vancouver will have another record year for tourism after last year's record. I suppose the stats at YVR are sort of in line with this.

http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Van...ike+they+really+like/11062670/story.html

I will really try and find something negative to post or talk about.... or how YVR is just doomed to being a backwater airport.

[Johnny Aussie]

Found something!

http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/ko...-partner-pause-on-us-latam-growth-224067

So much for Korean Air doing an ICN-YVR-LIM service.

Their plan all along was to do ICN-LAX-LIM and now that has been postponed even. Those dirty dogs! Apparently ICN-LAX-GRU is struggling and they would face some stiff competittion from LAN on ICN-LAX-LIM. Don't see why they wouldn't be able to make YVR work?

I bet Korean pulls out of YVR altogether. That's despite them increasing YVR to daily year-round effective this upcoming winter for the first time. They're just teasing us before they pull out altogether I reckon! And I bet Aeromexico pulls out before their first flight. Just a late cruel April Fools joke!

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Found something!

http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/ko...-partner-pause-on-us-latam-growth-224067

So much for Korean Air doing an ICN-YVR-LIM service.

Their plan all along was to do ICN-LAX-LIM and now that has been postponed even. Those dirty dogs! Apparently ICN-LAX-GRU is struggling and they would face some stiff competittion from LAN on ICN-LAX-LIM. Don't see why they wouldn't be able to make YVR work?

I bet Korean pulls out of YVR altogether. That's despite them increasing YVR to daily year-round effective this upcoming winter for the first time. They're just teasing us before they pull out altogether I reckon! And I bet Aeromexico pulls out before their first flight. Just a late cruel April Fools joke!

Dunno Johnny, still stretching a bit for the bad news, methinks...

[casper]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Found something!

http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/ko...-partner-pause-on-us-latam-growth-224067

So much for Korean Air doing an ICN-YVR-LIM service.

Their plan all along was to do ICN-LAX-LIM and now that has been postponed even. Those dirty dogs! Apparently ICN-LAX-GRU is struggling and they would face some stiff competittion from LAN on ICN-LAX-LIM. Don't see why they wouldn't be able to make YVR work?

I bet Korean pulls out of YVR altogether. That's despite them increasing YVR to daily year-round effective this upcoming winter for the first time. They're just teasing us before they pull out altogether I reckon! And I bet Aeromexico pulls out before their first flight. Just a late cruel April Fools joke!

It may be good news, perhaps they will look at moving the ICH-LAX-GRU flight to an ICH-YVR-GRU flight. The article says they can fill hall a 777-200 or A330-300 with ICH-GRU passengers. That means they only have to fill half an aircraft with YVR-GRU passengers. They have American as a competitor at LAX, they have no competitor in Vancouver. WestJet can provide some feed from Alberta, Delta some feed from Seattle. Air Canada will stick to Toronto for Brazil service. YVR looks like a better option.

Canada just needs to lighten up on the Visas. I traveled to Brazil about five years ago, the requirements a Canadian needs for a Visa was excessive, but it is reciprocal to what Canada requires. They need to open that up more.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by casper

It may be good news, perhaps they will look at moving the ICH-LAX-GRU flight to an ICH-YVR-GRU flight. The article says they can fill hall a 777-200 or A330-300 with ICH-GRU passengers. That means they only have to fill half an aircraft with YVR-GRU passengers. They have American as a competitor at LAX, they have no competitor in Vancouver. WestJet can provide some feed from Alberta, Delta some feed from Seattle. Air Canada will stick to Toronto for Brazil service. YVR looks like a better option.

Canada just needs to lighten up on the Visas. I traveled to Brazil about five years ago, the requirements a Canadian needs for a Visa was excessive, but it is reciprocal to what Canada requires. They need to open that up more.

Whew! So there may be hope afterall! I should be able to sleep better at night again thanks for relieving my fears!

[moosejaw]

I was reading yesterday that flights to South America are being cut from the US to South America esp with Venezuela witholding cash from ticket revenue from the airlines and the Brazil economy sinking. The only South American country that added more flights is Colombia. I dont know if this will deflates YVR hopes in getting a south american gateway. In the united states, demand for routes such as Chile and Peru arent as high as Brazil, Colombia, and Argentina. The problem with Venezuela is the govt mandates all airline sales are in local currency and the airlines have to wait years to be reimbursed. The country is a victim of further govt isolation

[Denscity]

YVR just made an announcement regarding transferring without visas!!...

[Denscity]

Well it's minor just an expansion if the Chinese visa not required to include Tokyo and Soeul.

[trofirhen]

IF KE doesn't want to go through with it, is there a chance ASIANA might?
They're *A, and although they already serve SEA-TAC, they have nothing at all to South America.