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Old Posted May 17, 2015, 6:08 PM
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Any updates on the New Granada Theatre rehab project in the Hill? Drove past it last week on a visit to the Burgh and noticed it's still got the Phase 1 sign out front with no noticeable change since 3 or 4 years ago when I used to drive by daily and wonder the same thing.
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Old Posted May 17, 2015, 6:43 PM
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Personally, a movie theater downtown would be the best thing for me. We hit the movie theaters at least three times a month and having to head over to Homestead or The Southside Works is annoying both because of the drive and because of the lack of any good restaurants near those theaters.
And the bottomline is there are over 2.3 million people in the metro area, and another 4 million or so visitors a year. Stuff Downtown doesn't have to appeal to more than a small percentage of those 6 million plus people in order to be hugely successful. Hence the ultimate irrelevance of these people.

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I'm pretty sure that the tension we see between Pittsburgh urbanites and suburbanites is a pretty common dynamic around the country. There are people all over who think that you should never go downtown because it's full of "the bad element" and can't imagine why you'd pay $5 to park (or take the bus) when there are acres of free parking at suburban shopping centers. Fortunately it's largely a generational thing and attitudes will change as the Millennials take over.
Sort of an aside, but I think an awful lot of that attitude was driven by the big urban crime wave from the 1960s to the early 1990s, and I am personally convinced a very large part of the explanation for that crime wave was childhood lead exposure:



That is pretty darn tragic if true, but the silver lining is that it would mean the huge convergence in larger city crime rates since they peaked in the early 1990s is likely permanent:



In turn that would mean that those younger people who have grown up with much safer cities should not be disappointed down the road should they choose to live or otherwise spend a lot of time in larger cities.

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Old Posted May 18, 2015, 4:46 AM
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Wow, thats crazy, I wonder if lead exposure is the real culprit for a lot of the crime, tis an interesting thought, could maybe be coincidence though?
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And the bottomline is there are over 2.3 million people in the metro area, and another 4 million or so visitors a year. Stuff Downtown doesn't have to appeal to more than a small percentage of those 6 million plus people in order to be hugely successful. Hence the ultimate irrelevance of these people.



Sort of an aside, but I think an awful lot of that attitude was driven by the big urban crime wave from the 1960s to the early 1990s, and I am personally convinced a very large part of the explanation for that crime wave was childhood lead exposure:



That is pretty darn tragic if true, but the silver lining is that it would mean the huge convergence in larger city crime rates since they peaked in the early 1990s is likely permanent:



In turn that would mean that those younger people who have grown up with much safer cities should not be disappointed down the road should they choose to live or otherwise spend a lot of time in larger cities.
I have a hard time making such a large connection between lead paint & crime rates even if those graphs line up fairly close.

I think the de-industrialization of the US economy along with other things like legalized abortion which was then utilized by many low income people to prevent unwanted babies from becoming neglected children which often times led to a lifetime of crime.
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Old Posted May 18, 2015, 11:17 AM
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Wow, thats crazy, I wonder if lead exposure is the real culprit for a lot of the crime, tis an interesting thought, could maybe be coincidence though?
The theory is there is still a baseline amount of crime that has nothing to do with lead, but that lead exposure was perhaps the dominant factor in the 60s-90s increase in crime over that expected baseline crime.

One of the things I find compelling is that there are similar charts for many different countries:



And in fact I understand that the timing is somewhat different because they have different histories of when lead was phased out (primarily of leaded gasoline). The fact that crime started trending down the same amount of time after whenever lead was phased out seems too consistent of a correlation to be coincidence. In fact, just in the United States, apparently you can find a similar pattern depending on state or local factors.

Meanwhile, this is not actually the first such wave. Leaded paint was the first big factor, and it is correlated with an early-20th Century crime wave:



However, that time it was more driven by RURAL crime rising to converge with city crime. The theory is that improved transportation (largely rail) and rise of mail-order products made leaded paint much more widely available out of cities:

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/20...s-why-rural-crime-skyrocketed-late-1800s

It is funny (and again tragic) to think much of the "Boardwalk Empire"/Prohibition Era violent crime might have been lead driven.

There is lots of medical science to back all this up--lead exposure affects all sorts of cognitive functioning that would plausibly lead to decreased impulse control and increased antisocial behavior. And in fact they have done studies tracking childhood exposure to lead or lead blood levels and found correlations with things like school misbehavior and teen pregnancy rates.

As these things go, I think it is about the most well-supported hypothesis you are likely to see. Crime is complicated and has lots of contributing factors, but it seems very likely at this point that increasing childhood lead exposure does cause a major increase in crime rates, and that reducing childhood lead exposure in turn will cause a major decrease.
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Old Posted May 18, 2015, 11:19 AM
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Wow, thats crazy, I wonder if lead exposure is the real culprit for a lot of the crime, tis an interesting thought, could maybe be coincidence though?
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I have a hard time making such a large connection between lead paint & crime rates even if those graphs line up fairly close.

I think the de-industrialization of the US economy along with other things like legalized abortion which was then utilized by many low income people to prevent unwanted babies from becoming neglected children which often times led to a lifetime of crime.
You would think... but if I remember the original article/study correctly, the trend holds up worldwide, not just in the U.S. Lead paint wasn't (is't) the main culprit, it was leaded gasoline.
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Old Posted May 18, 2015, 12:03 PM
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I have a hard time making such a large connection between lead paint & crime rates even if those graphs line up fairly close.
It was more leaded gasoline in the later period. In any event, that is really just the introductory correlation--the evidence mounts as you look at more and more countries, and also dig down into sub-national units. Here, for example, is a paper that did a regression analysis and determined that exactly when state lead exposure tracked down was strongly correlated with future crime trends:

http://www.nber.org/papers/w13097

And from a recent BBC article:

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27067615

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Since then, the data for the lead theorists has become more and more detailed. Nevin and his supporters predicted that crime would fall in other nations 20 years after the banning of leaded petrol - and their theory appears to have played out in Europe. Leaded petrol was removed from British engines later than in North America - and the crime rate in the UK began to fall later than in the US and Canada. Lead theorists say that data they've collated and calculated from each nation shows the same 20-year trend - the sooner lead is removed from the environment, the sooner crime will begin to fall.
That is a pretty compelling, and pretty unique, pattern.

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I think the de-industrialization of the US economy along with other things like legalized abortion which was then utilized by many low income people to prevent unwanted babies from becoming neglected children which often times led to a lifetime of crime.
The abortion hypothesis doesn't pass similar tests. Abortion history varies a lot between different countries and different sub-national units in the United States, and you don't see the same consistent pattern after abortion law changes, nor for that matter can it explain why you do see the same consistent pattern after lead exposure changes.

Industrialization also has an inconsistent correlation with crime. In the 19th Century, people thought industrialization was positively correlated with crime, since the observed crime rate was much higher in cities. But then in the early 20th Century, even as industrialization is continuing, you get this big convergence in rural crime rates.

More recently, industrial employment share peaked around 1950, and has been declining since, and for most of that time there has been a suburbanization trend as well. And for the first part of that period there was in fact a crime rate decline, as many expected. But then in the early 1960s, crime starts increasing, which lasts for the next 30 years or so. But then it turns around and starts decreasing for the next 20+ years to the present. None of that seems easy to explain given a more or less steady de-industrialization process over that 65 or so years.

I should note that the lead hypothesis, although very well-supported scientifically, is often taken as a challenge to many conventional orthodoxies about crime and therefore has gotten a lot of push back. So, for example, some people want to believe that crime increases are all about the moral corruption of society, and crime decreases are about aggressive policing. Others want to believe that crime increases are caused by loss of economic opportunity, and crime decreases by improved public education and other social assistance.

The thing is, those debates are all still relevant even if the lead hypothesis is true, specifically as applied to what I called baseline crime. It is just the increases and decreases associated with these particular crime waves in U.S. history and the history of other countries that might be mostly about lead exposure.

Anyway, although all this is inherently interesting, in the context of this forum, the important point is that it is entirely possible that the big decreases in large city crime rates since the early 1990s are more or less permanent. And if that is true, it lends additional support to the prediction that city living is going to continue to increase in popularity as the generations who grew up with lower-crime cities come of age and start making their own locational decisions.

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Old Posted May 18, 2015, 2:19 PM
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We hit the movie theaters at least three times a month and having to head over to Homestead or The Southside Works is annoying both because of the drive and because of the lack of any good restaurants near those theaters.
Come on... really? There are plenty of decent restaurants around those theaters, nothing 5 star obviously... but not everyone is trying to spend $150+ on dinner and a movie either.
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Old Posted May 18, 2015, 5:26 PM
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Nice before-and-after pictures of some of downtown's recently replaced/refurbished facades:

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/city/2...res-get-new-facades/stories/201505180131
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Old Posted May 18, 2015, 6:32 PM
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Nice before-and-after pictures of some of downtown's recently replaced/refurbished facades
Wood is looking great. There are still some facades to address but the overall feel is definitely very good already.
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Old Posted May 18, 2015, 9:06 PM
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Come on... really? There are plenty of decent restaurants around those theaters, nothing 5 star obviously... but not everyone is trying to spend $150+ on dinner and a movie either.
I guess that there is a Burgatory in Homestead now but other than that, we're always at a loss to find anything to eat there. We usually end up getting mediocre sushi at that Japanese chain or just stopping in Squirrel Hill for dinner first.
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Old Posted May 19, 2015, 2:48 AM
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Any updates on the New Granada Theatre rehab project in the Hill? Drove past it last week on a visit to the Burgh and noticed it's still got the Phase 1 sign out front with no noticeable change since 3 or 4 years ago when I used to drive by daily and wonder the same thing.
Nothing happening. The emergency stabilization (new roof, some facade work) was completed a few years back but there is currently no funding for further work.
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Old Posted May 19, 2015, 2:48 PM
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Some clarity on PIT's plans for additional international destinations:

http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/8392330-74/airport-cassotis-service

Something like a direct flight to Doha could be as much as 10 years off, whereas they are trying to add additional European destinations within a couple years. But they are starting the discussions now because they think that is necessary to get Pittsburgh on possible future lists.
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Old Posted May 19, 2015, 2:54 PM
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Uber is moving into the former Restaurant Depot space in the Strip (Restaurant Depot itself relocated to a larger space very nearby in the Strip):

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/ne...uber-leases-former-restaurant-depot.html

I think it is a suitably ominous-looking space for one of the future contributors to Skynet:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/100+32...93e7:0x74f380bdfb6adb71!6m1!1e1?hl=en-US

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Old Posted May 19, 2015, 2:59 PM
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Uber is moving into the former Restaurant Depot space in the Strip (Restaurant Depot itself relocated to a large space very nearby in the Strip):

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/ne...uber-leases-former-restaurant-depot.html

I think it is a suitably ominous-looking space for one of the future contributors to Skynet:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/100+32...93e7:0x74f380bdfb6adb71!6m1!1e1?hl=en-US
They'll be making some rather serious renovations/modifications, so it won't be nearly as utilitarian once they move in.
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Old Posted May 19, 2015, 3:10 PM
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They'll be making some rather serious renovations/modifications, so it won't be nearly as utilitarian once they move in.
Makes sense.

It is actually a pretty nice spot--it has one of the nicer bits of riverfront along there, with the cool railroad bridge and then Herrs Island and ultimately Troy Hill across the river:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/100+32...93e7:0x74f380bdfb6adb71!6m1!1e1?hl=en-US
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Old Posted May 19, 2015, 9:23 PM
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Law firm Burns White may be moving out of its gorgeous North Side building as it is looking for room to expand. Possible buyers include loft or hotel developers:

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/ne...ewhy-a-law-firms-decision-on-moving.html



https://www.google.com/maps/place/Burns+...4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x304aa69cf2a6a3ee!6m1!1e1

With such a sweet riverview location next to the Warhol Museum (and Warhol Bridge, natch), if Burns White took up some Class A office space elsewhere and freed this for hotel or residential, I think that would be a great boost to that area.
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Old Posted May 20, 2015, 3:46 AM
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Wilkinsburg and Bellevue have voted to become "wet" (allow liquor licenses):

http://triblive.com/news/adminpage/8325244-74/percent-wilkinsburg-bellevue#axzz3aeAbvgAl
http://www.post-gazette.com/local/east/2...vue-and-Wilkinsburg/stories/201505190178

I know a lot of people in Wilkinsburg put a lot of effort into this, and congratulations to them!
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Old Posted May 20, 2015, 5:02 AM
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That's good now maybe some restuarants and bars can open up in their largely abandoned downtown.
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Old Posted May 20, 2015, 10:48 AM
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Parts of Wilkinsburg's downtown area are actually doing OK. But no doubt the hope is this will lead to an East Liberty-like renaissance.
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