A Changing Portland

[2oh1]

soleri, you're absolutely right.

[58rhodes]

Originally Posted by soleri

I was in Chongqing three days ago. No one in their right mind would want to live there. Which points out a fact about Portland we need to keep in mind: people are moving here precisely because of its quality of life. Destroy that quality of life with inappropriate or overscaled development and the allure will dissipate.

Portland's destiny is not Manhattan-level density. It never was. It's going to grow to be sure but only if we keep the focus on quality rather than quantity. I can easily see this city doubling in population but I wouldn't want to live here if developers rather than citizens called the shots.

This is exactly what the point of my thread was about.

[PDXDENSITY]

I can very much be for all density allowed and not be contradictory. You guys are gish galloping jerks trying to discredit me.

And additionally, I am completely for inclusionary zoning. This is a political conversation, and you are trying to conflate density with inflation. Not the reality-- SHORTAGE CAUSES INFLATION.

[58rhodes]

Originally Posted by PDXDENSITY

I can very much be for all density allowed and not be contradictory. You guys are gish galloping jerks trying to discredit me.

And additionally, I am completely for inclusionary zoning. This is a political conversation, and you are trying to conflate density with inflation. Not the reality-- SHORTAGE CAUSES INFLATION.

ok, so you're for density. I think we know this

[PDXDENSITY]

Originally Posted by 58rhodes

ok, so you're for density. I think we know this

And you guys want to promote shortage in whatever way you can, got it.

[58rhodes]

Originally Posted by PDXDENSITY

And you guys want to promote shortage in whatever way you can, got it.

thats so Funny. I work for a development company.

[PDXDENSITY]

Originally Posted by 58rhodes

thats so Funny. I work for a development company.

It would make sense to cause shortage for everything BUT what you're developing, it inflates your returns. It would not even be a slight conflict of interest for you to try to stifle all else but what you work for, so you need to stop acting like those are credentials to progressive density planning for a city.

[58rhodes]

Originally Posted by PDXDENSITY

It would make sense to cause shortage for everything BUT what you're developing, it inflates yoir returns. It would mot even be a slight conflict of interest for you to try to stifle all else but what you work for, so you need to stop acting like those are credentials to progressive density planning for a city.

stop with your hostility

[PDXDENSITY]

Originally Posted by 58rhodes

stop with your hostility

That's not hostility; it's called criticism. Ive been taking a lot from you and your group of friends here. If you truly want me banned, stop harrassing me or deal with the heat of the discussion.

[58rhodes]

Originally Posted by PDXDENSITY

That's not hostility; it's called criticism. Ive been taking a lot from you and your group of friends here. If you truly want me banned, stop harrassing me or deal with the heat of the discussion.

you dont know anything about me and Im brand new here. Haven't been around long enough to establish friends on this board.
and you are very hostile---chill have a local brew

[PDXDENSITY]

Originally Posted by 58rhodes

you dont know anything about me and Im brand new here. Haven't been around long enough to establish friends on this board.
and you are very hostile---chill have a local brew

Nah. You're a troll who is trying to obfuscate my valid points likely to benefit your local development company at the expense of others.

So it wont get buried by bullshit as I know that's your technique:

Nothing there is nonsensical. We indeed have a shortage. I am sure we will still have a shortage after this housing being built comes online. I agree many lots downtown lay fallow. I believe that's because owners are sitting on cheap taxes. They have no incentive to build at all. Building density where it is ALREADY planned, to the max, will even reveal it is not enough to meet demand. We are becoming a big city; as property values rise, I think more people will sell out to developers. I'm saying we should let them, lest we end up with SF rents. Again, there's a real example playing out to our south of imposed shortage with unceasing demand.

I am simply sharing my opinion, which I believe is realistically possible, and you are trying to discredit me by making my suggestions out to be extreme or entitled.

[58rhodes]

Originally Posted by PDXDENSITY

Nah. You're a troll who is trying to obfuscate my valid points likely to benefit your local development company at the expense of others.

So it wont get buried by bullshit as I know that's your technique:

Nothing there is nonsensical. We indeed have a shortage. I am sure we will still have a shortage after this housing being built comes online. I agree many lots downtown lay fallow. I believe that's because owners are sitting on cheap taxes. They have no incentive to build at all. Building density where it is ALREADY planned, to the max, will even reveal it is not enough to meet demand. We are becoming a big city; as property values rise, I think more people will sell out to developers. I'm saying we should let them, lest we end up with SF rents. Again, there's a real example playing out to our south of imposed shortage with unceasing demand.

I am simply sharing my opinion, which I believe is realistically possible, and you are trying to discredit me by making my suggestions out to be extreme or entitled.

your opinion has been noted and thanks for the troll comment.I will no longer reply to anything you say

[65MAX]

Originally Posted by 58rhodes

your opinion has been noted and thanks for the troll comment.I will no longer reply to anything you say

That is precisely the right course of action, 58rhodes. And welcome, BTW. I think most of us here are just fed up with PDXDENSITY's constant barrage of ill-informed bullshit, so it's best not to engage him when he goes off on his tyrranical rants. He obviously has no concept of how things work in the real world and refuses to accept that most of what he says is just plain stupid. He also apparently doesn't realize that he is the troll on this board, classic case of transference. But don't try to tell him that, he'll go ballistic.

[PDXDENSITY]

Originally Posted by 65MAX

That is precisely the right course of action, 58rhodes. And welcome, BTW. I think most of us here are just fed up with PDXDENSITY's constant barrage of ill-informed bullshit, so it's best not to engage him when he goes off on his tyrranical rants. He obviously has no concept of how things work in the real world and refuses to accept that most of what he says is just plain stupid. He also apparently doesn't realize that he is the troll on this board, classic case of transference. But don't try to tell him that, he'll go ballistic.

Haha. I'll keep responding as I see fit to conservative infiltration of the Portland ethos. "Are more people the answer to PDX?"

Give me a fucking break. This thread itself is a troll post given the overall community and intent of these boards.

I get you guys don't like me, but I won't be silenced. Call me crazy all you want. It's what plenty of dissenters get called. You guys are actually the ones being incredibly passive aggressively hostile. Hay! It's the portland way.

[58rhodes]

Originally Posted by 65MAX

That is precisely the right course of action, 58rhodes. And welcome, BTW. I think most of us here are just fed up with PDXDENSITY's constant barrage of ill-informed bullshit, so it's best not to engage him when he goes off on his tyrranical rants. He obviously has no concept of how things work in the real world and refuses to accept that most of what he says is just plain stupid. He also apparently doesn't realize that he is the troll on this board, classic case of transference. But don't try to tell him that, he'll go ballistic.

Thanks for the Welcome and the Support. I was almost ready to poke my eyeballs out with a fork. I love Portland and want to see it grow but I also know that we could easily lose the livability and charm that we all have come to appreciate. Growth is great if done right and that means the economic aspect as well. Cheers to a great future for Portland!!

[PDXDENSITY]

Originally Posted by 58rhodes

Thanks for the Welcome and the Support. I was almost ready to poke my eyeballs out with a fork. I love Portland and want to see it grow but I also know that we could easily lose the livability and charm that we all have come to appreciate. Growth is great if done right and that means the economic aspect as well. Cheers to a great future for Portland!!

50 years in Portland. You have passive aggressively hostile down perfectly. At least im direct and honest.

[2oh1]

Originally Posted by PDXDENSITY

And you guys want to promote shortage in whatever way you can, got it.

No one on this board thinks that.

Quote the source where anyone on this board stated he or she wants a shortage of housing.

The reason you can't quote the source to back up the things you say people here believe is because you know you're wrong.

[58rhodes]

[QUOTE=PDXDENSITY;7029736]50 years in Portland. You have passive aggressively hostile down perfectly. At least im direct and honest.[/QUOTE

[puerco]

I got tired of reading all the back & forth between PDXDENSITY and everyone else. I can understand where PDX is coming from. When I moved out of my parents' home in Irvington at the age of 18 I headed straight to NW Portland because at the time it was the most urbanized part of the city. I loved being able to walk everywhere & to have a choice of a few different buses in my neighborhood.
When I was a kid I used to walk to Lloyd Center & downtown all of the time. I have never lived in the suburbs & never would. Sitting in traffic all day just to go to the grocery or drug store is insanity to me.
I was born at the old St. Vincent Hospital in 1949. I've witness Portland go through a lot of changes & think the added density coming into the city is a good thing.
I'm now living on Nob Hill close to the Financial District in San Francisco. Out of 49 units in my apartment building only 1 person owns a car. Density makes that possible.

[2oh1]

Originally Posted by puerco

I'm now living on Nob Hill close to the Financial District in San Francisco. Out of 49 units in my apartment building only 1 person owns a car. Density makes that possible.

You don't honestly believe anyone here was arguing AGAINST urban density, do you? We're urban planning geeks! We love urban density. I certainly do. I'm a car free guy living in a high rise. The conversation was about the correlation between density and housing prices. Urban density is awesome, but it does cause things to get more expensive - and I'm not just talking about housing. Even things like groceries tend to be more expensive in Portland's most dense neighborhoods.

If you've been away from NW Portland for a while, you'd probably be blown away by how much more expensive your old apartment there is today, even though there are many new high rises with even more going up.