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Old Posted Apr 30, 2015, 5:11 PM
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I think it has more to do with the drop off in traffic between those two stops. A huge amount exits at Kent that isn't replaced until Nicholas.
I imagine that's one of the reasons why the MTO is delaying it, but it's still planned. MTO plans & has designed 8 continuous lanes from 416 to the 174, and 6 lanes from the 174 to Hunt Club.

http://queenswayexpansioneast.com/background/
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Old Posted Apr 30, 2015, 5:26 PM
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I imagine that's one of the reasons why the MTO is delaying it, but it's still planned. MTO plans & has designed 8 continuous lanes from 416 to the 174, and 6 lanes from the 174 to Hunt Club.

http://queenswayexpansioneast.com/background/
Doesn't this portion of the background section suggest otherwise?

The recommended plan includes the following components:

- Widen Highway 417 from three to four mainline lanes in each direction from Highway 416 to Carling Avenue and from Metcalfe Street to OR 174;
- Retain the existing number of mainline lanes from Carling Avenue to Metcalfe Street;
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Old Posted Apr 30, 2015, 7:17 PM
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My understanding is that they using 'Metcalfe' in the document because of the complicated web of partial interchanges in Centretown. I've definitely seen 8 through lanes the whole way documented. I'll do some more digging.
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Old Posted Apr 30, 2015, 7:20 PM
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My understanding is that they using 'Metcalfe' in the document because of the complicated web of partial interchanges in Centretown. I've definitely seen 8 through lanes the whole way documented. I'll do some more digging.
Well, I do know that they are starting on the bridge replacements in Centretown, and the bridges will be re-done at their current widths, which doesn't suggest that widening is imminent.

If Toronto can survive with six lanes through downtown on the Gardiner (and maybe no Gardiner at all), surely Ottawa can do the same.
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If Toronto can survive with six lanes through downtown on the Gardiner (and maybe no Gardiner at all), surely Ottawa can do the same.
Keep in mind though, that the Gardiner doesn't carry traffic through Toronto, it's mostly to carry traffic out of downtown Toronto. Through traffic has the 401 and the 407, both of which have more than 6 lanes, I believe.
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Old Posted Apr 30, 2015, 7:46 PM
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Well, I do know that they are starting on the bridge replacements in Centretown, and the bridges will be re-done at their current widths, which doesn't suggest that widening is imminent.

If Toronto can survive with six lanes through downtown on the Gardiner (and maybe no Gardiner at all), surely Ottawa can do the same.
Are you sure about that? The MTO's long standing policy is to future proof everything even if something is not imminent at all.

For example the MTO is future proofing bridge replacements on the rural parts of the 401, in places like Gananoque, for 6-laning, even though it's not even on medium term plans to do so.
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Old Posted Apr 30, 2015, 7:50 PM
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Keep in mind though, that the Gardiner doesn't carry traffic through Toronto, it's mostly to carry traffic out of downtown Toronto. Through traffic has the 401 and the 407, both of which have more than 6 lanes, I believe.
Fair enough, but I suspect that the vast majority of traffic on the 417 is not through traffic either.

I expect that those figures exist but I'm not sure where to find them. If by "through traffic" we are talking about traffic passing from one destination outside of the city to another destination outside the city, I wouldn't be surprised if there is as much or more through traffic on the Gardiner, but I don't know for sure.
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A majority of peak eastbound traffic exits before or at Kent. I really don't think there is a need for the 417 to be 4 lanes from Kent to Metcalfe. I would say there is a definitely bottle neck between Metcalfe and Nicolas - but Nicolas east will be 4 lanes when the LRT is running. I don't think we will see this section 4-laned anytime soon (in our life times?).
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Old Posted Apr 30, 2015, 7:53 PM
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Are you sure about that? The MTO's long standing policy is to future proof everything even if something is not imminent at all.

For example the MTO is future proofing bridge replacements on the rural parts of the 401, in places like Gananoque, for 6-laning, even though it's not even on medium term plans to do so.
They are doing rapid bridge replacements, which I understand must be done based on current pier width. I've also seen design work for sound barriers that will be installed on that stretch at some point, and they are based on the currently alignment.

There is definitely no expansion of the right of way planned with these replacements, as that would require and EA and consultations.
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Old Posted Apr 30, 2015, 8:04 PM
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They are doing rapid bridge replacements, which I understand must be done based on current pier width. I've also seen design work for sound barriers that will be installed on that stretch at some point, and they are based on the currently alignment.

There is definitely no expansion of the right of way planned with these replacements, as that would require and EA and consultations.
The rapid replacements done in the Carling area all added 'overhangs' to the bridges to the sides to protect for future 8 laning in the Carling->416 area:

Carling north bridge: https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.3853172,-75.7381545,121m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

Kirkwood bridge: https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.3838751,-75.7400347,145m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

Carling south bridge: https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.3813279,-75.7426981,144m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

If they're not doing something similar with bridges like Bank that really does mean they aren't going to widen this middle segment. Huh, that really surprised me... the long term widening plan actually leaves a 6 lane gap in the middle. You learn something new everyday.

Also, why are all the partial interchanges in Centretown giving more way more choice towards west-end commuters? They have so many more exits they can use (Rochester, Kent, O'Connor, etc all have eastbound offramps and westbound onramps only) than east-end commuters...
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Old Posted Apr 30, 2015, 8:10 PM
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The rapid replacements done in the Carling area all added 'overhangs' to the bridges to the sides to protect for future 8 laning in the Carling->416 area:

Carling north bridge: https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.3853172,-75.7381545,121m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

Kirkwood bridge: https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.3838751,-75.7400347,145m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

Carling south bridge: https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.3813279,-75.7426981,144m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

If they're not doing something similar with bridges like Bank that really does mean they aren't going to widen this middle segment. Huh, that really surprised me... the long term widening plan actually leaves a 6 lane gap in the middle. You learn something new everyday.

Also, why are all the partial interchanges in Centretown giving more way more choice towards west-end commuters? They have so many more exits they can use (Rochester, Kent, O'Connor, etc all have eastbound offramps and westbound onramps only) than east-end commuters...
Well, if they are doing overhangs, it's not something that has been communicated. There's definitely less space to do that sort of thing through the central area.

On the partial interchange thing, all I can think of is that east end commuters have Nicholas, which has more capacity into and out of downtown. I do believe that Bronson used to have an eastbound onramp at one time, but it was removed, possibly for safety reasons.
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Also, why are all the partial interchanges in Centretown giving more way more choice towards west-end commuters? They have so many more exits they can use (Rochester, Kent, O'Connor, etc all have eastbound offramps and westbound onramps only) than east-end commuters...
There used to be a westbound exit at Kent but it was removed because there was too much weaving

https://goo.gl/maps/xDRnK

An eastbound on-ramp was also removed on Chamberlain near Bronson
https://goo.gl/maps/OY6Tu
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Are you sure about that? The MTO's long standing policy is to future proof everything even if something is not imminent at all.

For example the MTO is future proofing bridge replacements on the rural parts of the 401, in places like Gananoque, for 6-laning, even though it's not even on medium term plans to do so.
They future proof when they have plans to do something (such as widen 401 in Eastern Ontario). There do not appear to be plans to widen queens way through downtown (and I don't see how that would make sense, particularly eastbound).
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Does anyone know what they're doing at the Shaw Centre along MacKenzie King Bridge? They've had crews there all week installing metal brackets/tracks along the large, blank wall -- installation of the 'digital wall,' perhaps?
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Little Italy's big parking problem

Matthew Pearson, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: May 1, 2015, Last Updated: May 1, 2015 2:57 PM EDT


The city might have to build a new parking garage in Little Italy because some developers have been allowed to construct new condo buildings without enough parking for visitors and customers.

The situation forces guests to fight for spots on nearby streets and could further fuel the rising issue of illegal parking.

These conclusions are contained in a new neighbourhood parking study the transportation committee is set to discuss at its meeting next Wednesday.

Demand for parking in Little Italy is only expected to grow in the coming years as proposed condominium projects begin to fill up with residents. As many as 15 buildings are expected to be built in the area that was studied, which is bounded by Albert Street to the north, Carling Avenue to the south, Booth and Bell streets to the east and the O-Train corridor to the west.

Seven additional towers are to be built just west of the O-Train corridor.

All of this intensification, the report says, means Little Italy’s population could grow by 63 per cent by 2031, and yet, between 2011 and 2014, a number of developments were given the green light even though the builders requested parking space reductions through zoning bylaw amendments.

A total of 265 required visitor or commercial spaces were not included in new developments approved on Carling Avenue and Norman, Preston and Rochester streets.

And because city data shows the majority of people headed to the area travel by car, failure to provide the required visitor or commercial parking will “only add pressure to the current supply of on-street parking,” the report says.

“It’s just going to exacerbate the problem,” said Lori Mellor, the executive director of the Preston Street Business Improvement Association.

She said city council and the planning department approve so-called transit-oriented developments — greater intensification near major rapid transit stops — even though the neighbourhood lacks amenities such as a grocery store, so many residents are still forced to own cars.

“Luxury condo dwellers are not taking the bus,” Mellor said.

Illegal parking — specifically, drivers who are ticketed for parking within an inappropriate zone or time — is most common in the area south of the Queensway and on Rochester Street. The report says its prevalence indicates that drivers who cannot find available or convenient parking will resort to illegal parking.

Finding on-street parking in this area exceeds the maximum capacity on weekday and Saturday evenings, and off-street public parking is nearing capacity during the day on weekdays.

But the off-street parking is not being utilized to same extent on weekdays evenings or on weekends. And when paid parking is in effect, parking is most in demand during the weekday noon-hour, when it exceeds practical capacity, the report says.

That means city staff may have to put a high priority on increasing the parking supply within this area, which could involve the “construction of a new facility or a partnership with a developer.”

In the meantime, the report recommends making it cheaper to park a little further afield to draw more people away from where demand is highest.

Short- and long-term parking fees at the municipal lot (301 Preston St.) will be reduced, as well as on-street rates along Rochester Street and to the east.

The study uncovered differing opinions about parking enforcement in Little Italy: Business owners and patrons thinks it’s too aggressive; residents say it’s too relaxed and that more needs to be done to address illegally parked cars obstructing driveways and sidewalks.


Parking: By the numbers

$16.29 million: Combined total of on-street and off-street parking revenue collected in 2014, up from $15.79 million in 2013
$9.15 million: Operating expenses in 2014, up from $7.83 million in 2013
6,650: Combined number of paid on-street and off-street parking spaces managed by the City of Ottawa
34.4: Percentage of pay-and-display transactions conducted with a credit card, up from 30.9 per cent in 2013
2,584: Bicycle parking spaces managed by the city, including 2,542 ring and post spaces and 42 spaces in various off-street parking lots

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I'll bet that not one of the councilors will ask why it cost almost 17% more to collect parking fines in 2014 than in 2013 (resulting in a drop of net revenue to the City of about $820,000).
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^ based on the report on the transportation committee agenda, it sounds like the lots were exempted from payment-in-lieu of taxes for one year (2013), so 2013 was an anomaly with lower expenses and things went back to normal in 2014

The revenues quoted match the 2015 budget, but the 2015 budget spreadsheet says $16.4 million in expenses in 2014 vs $15.8 million in 2013
http://ottawa.ca/include/budget2015/Transp_5_-_Parking.xlsx

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The city might have to build a new parking garage in Little Italy because some developers have been allowed to construct new condo buildings without enough parking for visitors and customers.
Wasn't Richcraft's The Sky given a hard time for over provision of parking? Seems to me the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
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Wasn't Richcraft's The Sky given a hard time for over provision of parking? Seems to me the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
1st time that has ever happened at City Hall
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I'll bet that not one of the councilors will ask why it cost almost 17% more to collect parking fines in 2014 than in 2013 (resulting in a drop of net revenue to the City of about $820,000).
Ottawa's Pay-and-display system is really labour intensive. The city should have adopted the same system as Montreal where the spots are numbered and you enter that number into the machine; You don't even have to display the ticket. Since the payment is specific to a spot, the expired spots are just wirelessly relayed to the enforcers who don't have to look into windshields and only get out of their vehicle to slap the ticket on. Super efficient, one guy in a micro-vehicle can cover an exponentially larger area in a shorter time.
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