NEW YORK | 200 Greenwich - 2 WTC | 1,226 FT | 55 FLOORS - Page 148

Zapatan · #**2941** Posted **Apr 25, 2015, 5:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by Enigmatism415

Would it make a dent if a bunch of us wrote letters to Fox and/or Silverstein?

No.

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The thing about the original design for tower 2 is that it was designed with a specific type of tenant in mind. No one imagined that it would be the media companies relocating to the World Trade Center. But in a decade, Silverstein hasn't been able to get a tenant for the tower. Within a few more years, that likely would change. But Silverstein aint getting any younger, and would like to see the rebuilding complete. So here's a chance to get the tower built (and I don't think Silverstein himself is married to any particular design).

With that said, they will try to work around the foundation to design a tower for a very specific tenant, assuming the lease is finalized.

So it just comes down to this - if the design is a better one, everyone will love it. If it's a worse design, everyone will hate it.

True... and that doesn't really bode well for the future of the tower. While I obviously would like for the gap to be filled as well, I want it to be filled with something worthwhile like everyone else on the planet. If Silverstein is just going to half-ass it just to get the space filled up we probably won't end up with what we deserve. The foundation is already laid out, yes, but that doesn't mean the building can't be made shorter/cheaper looking.

It of course could also be made better looking/remain the same but what happened to tower 1 and 3 is likely a better indicator of what will happen to tower 2. Until someone convinces me otherwise I have no real reason to be that optimistic. I'm not trying to be a downer, just realistic.

Onn · #**2942** Posted **Apr 25, 2015, 5:27 PM**

Well folks you can say goodbye to the wedge design...and I'm sure Norman Foster is furious about it all.

Roadcruiser1 · #**2943** Posted **Apr 25, 2015, 6:06 PM**

He's pretty new to the game. Ingels hasn't designed a big skyscraper like this before. Let's see what he can do.

CityGuy87 · #**2944** Posted **Apr 25, 2015, 6:13 PM**

Silverstein is NOT Durst, he doesn't value-engineer his buildings.

Zapatan · #**2945** Posted **Apr 25, 2015, 6:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by CityGuy87

Silverstein is NOT Durst, he doesn't value-engineer his buildings.

mmm... remember when he didn't want to build higher than 70 stories/900 feet?

Obviously that changed for the better but still. I'm guessing they'll keep the spiral effect so I don't really see this tower being under 1200' which is good but we'll see, the whole Ingles thing freaks me out though.

I guess I remain really really cautiously optimistic.

Hudson11 · #**2946** Posted **Apr 25, 2015, 9:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by CityGuy87

Silverstein is NOT Durst, he doesn't value-engineer his buildings.

Zapatan · #**2947** Posted **Apr 25, 2015, 10:01 PM**

Thank you Hudson11, case and point

JR Ewing · #**2948** Posted **Apr 25, 2015, 10:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by Zapatan

No.

True... and that doesn't really bode well for the future of the tower. While I obviously would like for the gap to be filled as well, I want it to be filled with something worthwhile like everyone else on the planet. If Silverstein is just going to half-ass it just to get the space filled up we probably won't end up with what we deserve. The foundation is already laid out, yes, but that doesn't mean the building can't be made shorter/cheaper looking.

It of course could also be made better looking/remain the same but what happened to tower 1 and 3 is likely a better indicator of what will happen to tower 2. Until someone convinces me otherwise I have no real reason to be that optimistic. I'm not trying to be a downer, just realistic.

Zappo,

It's far too premature for your usual negativity about NY. Let's see if Fox even goes here. Furthermore, if they do, BIG could easily design a tower that blows 200 Greenwich out of the water. If they don't, then maybe some other company, like Deutsche Bank, will anchor Foster's tower. The bottom line: it's far too early for you to get your panties in a bunch.

SkyscrapersOfNewYork · #**2949** Posted **Apr 25, 2015, 10:49 PM**

i see where this is going...please no wars between users...

Hudson11 · #**2950** Posted **Apr 25, 2015, 11:18 PM**

^^ yes please, I only interjected because I wished to disprove that one comment.

Zapatan · #**2951** Posted **Apr 25, 2015, 11:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by JR Ewing

Zappo,

It's far too premature for your usual negativity about NY. Let's see if Fox even goes here. Furthermore, if they do, BIG could easily design a tower that blows 200 Greenwich out of the water. If they don't, then maybe some other company, like Deutsche Bank, will anchor Foster's tower. The bottom line: it's far too early for you to get your panties in a bunch.

Usual negativity? Please... I am thrilled by NY's current development but upset that the WTC wasn't everything it was supposed to be. As a citizen of this country I have every right to be too.

I'm not "getting my panties in a bunch" as you so elegantly put it but rather pointing out that every corner has been cut in this project and that it would be wise to not get your hopes up too high. Could something nice be built here? Sure, and I hope it is, but this site doesn't have the best track record... that's what I'm saying, not too hard to understand.

Onn · #**2952** Posted **Apr 26, 2015, 12:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by Hudson11

Although I'm glad its being built now, that was painful to go through. Value engineering at its best.

vandelay · #**2953** Posted **Apr 27, 2015, 12:41 AM**

I'm fine with getting rid of those silly crossbraces, which seem to serve zero structural purpose.

chris08876 · #**2954** Posted **Apr 27, 2015, 2:40 PM**

A decision on this will come in the coming months. This being if News Corp moves in. Probably end of Q2.

The question then is how long will it take to re-design such a massive site.

Zapatan · #**2955** Posted **Apr 27, 2015, 4:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by chris08876

A decision on this will come in the coming months. This being if News Corp moves in. Probably end of Q2.

The question then is how long will it take to re-design such a massive site.

Silly why they don't just go with the current design honestly, it would save them so much time.

generalscarr · #**2956** Posted **Apr 27, 2015, 5:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by Onn

Although I'm glad its being built now, that was painful to go through. Value engineering at its best.

Developers these days are often concerned that hefty cross bracing will distract from the views and therefore scare away potential tenants - I`m assuming that this was the main reason for the redesign of Tower 3 rather than just money saving.

chris08876 · #**2957** Posted **Apr 27, 2015, 7:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by Zapatan

Silly why they don't just go with the current design honestly, it would save them so much time.

I agree 100%. Believe me I am saddened by such news. Thats if they take it btw, so this isn't exactly precise at the moment, but I fear that if a deal does go through, it won't meet the quality of the original. But we will see.

Hudson11 · #**2958** Posted **Apr 27, 2015, 7:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by vandelay

I'm fine with getting rid of those silly crossbraces, which seem to serve zero structural purpose.

they also decreased the height. It was originally supposed to be taller than the Empire State Building. Luckily BIG doesn't seem to want to decrease the height for this tower, if their plan goes ahead and Fox gets its place at the WTC

drumz0rz · #**2959** Posted **Apr 27, 2015, 8:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by JR Ewing

Zappo,

It's far too premature for your usual negativity about NY. Let's see if Fox even goes here. Furthermore, if they do, BIG could easily design a tower that blows 200 Greenwich out of the water. If they don't, then maybe some other company, like Deutsche Bank, will anchor Foster's tower. The bottom line: it's far too early for you to get your panties in a bunch.

lol. DB isn't leaving 60 Wall St any time soon.

I strongly suspect any anchor tenants eventually signed will NOT be from Financial Services.

miesian · #**2960** Posted **Apr 27, 2015, 9:47 PM**

I am so happy this is being redesigned. I never liked Foster's design. It looked "phoned-in" The top was too odd. Don't forget that that the base is in place and ready to go UP. Let's have some fun!