General Update/Rumour thread [Urban Ottawa] - Page 217

danishh · #**4321** Posted **Apr 18, 2015, 3:10 AM**

they've already started building the one in barrhaven, at the former nortel lands on fallowfield.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=6908094&postcount=41

being adjacent to hwy 416 should mean it serves a lot of the population south of ottawa as well, though many on the east side of barrhaven will likely choose to continue using the merrivale location.

Cre47 · #**4322** Posted **Apr 18, 2015, 3:47 AM**

And a sizeable chunk of Kanata South would be about 5 minutes from it - some been probably closer to the Barrhaven location than the one near the CTC.

canabiz · #**4323** Posted **Apr 18, 2015, 3:54 AM**

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Originally Posted by danishh

they've already started building the one in barrhaven, at the former nortel lands on fallowfield.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=6908094&postcount=41

being adjacent to hwy 416 should mean it serves a lot of the population south of ottawa as well, though many on the east side of barrhaven will likely choose to continue using the merrivale location.

I agree and don't forget the Riverside South residents crossing into Barrhaven with the new bridge + Richmond & Manotick

There is more than enough people to support a Costco in Barrhaven. Looking forward to its opening in the not too distant future!

Southpaw78 · #**4324** Posted **Apr 18, 2015, 2:00 PM**

Every time I go to Kanata Centrum these days it seems as if another store has closed. Definitely impacted by some of the big retails closures in the past year, but others are closing too. Just this week I went back to find my favourite shawarma place closed (Pita Village) and noticed Danier Leather has closed too. With these 2, Jacob, Mexx, Jones New York, the old Skirt Steak place (wasn't that only open for like a couple of months?), and some other previously vacant space that area is turning to be a ghost town!

YOWflier · #**4325** Posted **Apr 18, 2015, 3:02 PM**

No surprise about the wearable retail part of that; Tanger is just one 417 exit away.

canabiz · #**4326** Posted **Apr 18, 2015, 5:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by Southpaw78

Every time I go to Kanata Centrum these days it seems as if another store has closed. Definitely impacted by some of the big retails closures in the past year, but others are closing too. Just this week I went back to find my favourite shawarma place closed (Pita Village) and noticed Danier Leather has closed too. With these 2, Jacob, Mexx, Jones New York, the old Skirt Steak place (wasn't that only open for like a couple of months?), and some other previously vacant space that area is turning to be a ghost town!

Hate to think Kanata Centrum may turn into another Bells Corners but I wouldn't be surprised by it.

I think they are suffering from what the folks on this forum like to call: suburban sprawl. There are at least 4 shopping plazas in various parts of Kanata/Stittsville off the top of my head, outside of the Centrum, with more on the horizon...People who live in Kanata and the immediate vicinity no longer need to go to the Centrum for shopping and entertainment and that is the new reality as builders and developers are increasingly surrounding subdivisions with shopping plazas, big and small, so there is no shortage of competition for your disposable income.

danishh · #**4327** Posted **Apr 18, 2015, 11:35 PM**

the location of kanata centrum is still great though and it has the advantage of transit access. Any significant downturn there should simply spur redevelopment.

1overcosc · #**4328** Posted **Apr 20, 2015, 3:32 PM**

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Hate to think Kanata Centrum may turn into another Bells Corners but I wouldn't be surprised by it.

I think they are suffering from what the folks on this forum like to call: suburban sprawl. There are at least 4 shopping plazas in various parts of Kanata/Stittsville off the top of my head, outside of the Centrum, with more on the horizon...People who live in Kanata and the immediate vicinity no longer need to go to the Centrum for shopping and entertainment and that is the new reality as builders and developers are increasingly surrounding subdivisions with shopping plazas, big and small, so there is no shortage of competition for your disposable income.

This retail decentralization is actually a positive trend from a planning perspective as it reduces distances to shopping.

One of my best friends lives in the extreme western fringe of the city, in Stittsville near Carp/Hazeldean. Her house literally backs onto rural land. And yet, she's got quite a bit of retail within walking distance--Beer Store, Sobey's, Tim's, Loblaws w/Joe Fresh, Shoppers, Subway, Rona... all less than a 15min walk, thanks to this decentralization trend.

canabiz · #**4329** Posted **Apr 20, 2015, 4:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by 1overcosc

This retail decentralization is actually a positive trend from a planning perspective as it reduces distances to shopping.

One of my best friends lives in the extreme western fringe of the city, in Stittsville near Carp/Hazeldean. Her house literally backs onto rural land. And yet, she's got quite a bit of retail within walking distance--Beer Store, Sobey's, Tim's, Loblaws w/Joe Fresh, Shoppers, Subway, Rona... all less than a 15min walk, thanks to this decentralization trend.

I actually think it is a rather inefficient model. I am not sure if you have been to Barrhaven but there are pockets of shopping plazas here and they are not easily accessible by bus/walking/bike (unless you want to ride along cars on busy Strandherd Drive!)

A typical Saturday would be to stop by your favorite grocer in 1 plaza, drive to the next to grab some booze, then drive to the next for your banking (if your regular bank is not located in the same plaza as the grocer/LCBO), so on and so forth...I'd like to see a big mall so that everyone is located in more or less the same area (like Tanger Outlet) which wll reduce driving and encourage walking/biking but that's not what the developers/City had in mind...

phil235 · #**4330** Posted **Apr 20, 2015, 4:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by canabiz

I actually think it is a rather inefficient model. I am not sure if you have been to Barrhaven but there are pockets of shopping plazas here and they are not easily accessible by bus/walking/bike (unless you want to ride along cars on busy Strandherd Drive!)

A typical Saturday would be to stop by your favorite grocer in 1 plaza, drive to the next to grab some booze, then drive to the next for your banking (if your regular bank is not located in the same plaza as the grocer/LCBO), so on and so forth...I'd like to see a big mall so that everyone is located in more or less the same area (like Tanger Outlet) which wll reduce driving and encourage walking/biking but that's not what the developers/City had in mind...

Agreed. To the extent that retail disperses and moves away from bigger shopping centres with major transit hubs, it is less efficient.

waterloowarrior · #**4331** Posted **Apr 22, 2015, 1:24 PM**

Hi all,
I moved 30 beer related posts here

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=211527&page=4

here's the latest newsletter from Juteau Johnson Comba with recent property sales.
http://www.juteaujohnsoncomba.com/newsletters/2015/February_2015_Newsletter_December_Sales.pdf

YOWflier · #**4332** Posted **Apr 23, 2015, 1:58 AM**

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Two massive medical facilities coming to Ottawa in 2017

Drawing: Pinnacle Centre of Healthcare Excellence

Joanne Schnurr , CTV Ottawa
Published Wednesday, April 22, 2015 6:01PM EDT

An Ottawa-based group is hoping to change the face of health care in Canada starting right here at home. The plan is to build two massive medical facilities worth millions of dollars: one stop shopping, of sorts, for health care. The first one will be built in the Kanata Research Park; the other off Prince of Wales near JDS Uniphase. They'll be open for business in two years’ time.

The man behind the Pinnacle Centres of Healthcare Excellence, William Wallace MacKinnon, may not be well known. But he is being backed financially by two big names in this town who are gambling on a new direction for health care.

Off Legget Drive, it is an empty parking lot now, nestled behind Kanata's Brookstreet hotel. But the lot will be transformed by 2017 with 220-thousand square feet over four floors at a cost of $80-million dollars.

‘In a typical Pinnacle facility that size,’ says William Wallace MacKinnon, the founder and chairman of Pinnacle Centres of Healthcare Excellence, ‘we would have 40 family doctors, 40 to 50 specialists, ambulatory surgeries, blood and fluid, pharmacies, diagnostic and home health care.’

An easier approach to health care, he believes for both patients and doctors. Ottawa is the first market for Pinnacle with a second building going off Prince of Wales near JDS Uniphase and the RCMP building. Eight more are planned across Canada; then a billion dollar expansion into the US. Backing them financially are Ottawa tech giant Terry Matthews, now behind the real estate company KRP, and developer John Ruddy with Trinity Development Group Inc. Pinnacle is a for-profit company but says it will be able to offer doctors more revenue with less overhead through an economy of scale. That, says MacKinnon, allows doctors to spend more critical time with their patients.

‘We make a profit, but there’s no need to make a ridiculous profit.’

The key to making this work of course is attracting the doctors. So the perks are plenty: free on-site daycare, free parking, a fitness centre. There is even a retreat for doctors and their families with boating and waterskiing.

‘Doctors work hard,’ says CEO Ray Marshall, ‘it’s a hard busy life and we're trying to provide incentives to the doctors to work with us and make their lives easier.’

Pinnacle plans to hire 300 health care support workers to help staff the facility but the ultimate aim are doctors and dentists, especially females struggling with work-life balance.

Dr. Marina Straszak-Suri knows all about that struggle. The Ottawa gynecologist is backing Pinnacle, saying the concept is exactly what she could have used as a young doctor and mother.
‘This is a first in terms of thinking about how physicians can carry out their day to day life,’ says Dr. Straszak-Suri.

While she has no immediate plans to join Pinnacle she adds, ‘I’m thinking towards the future, that might be a semi-retirement way to go.’

Pinnacle has launched a massive advertising campaign with a full page ad in the local paper. It's an unusual approach to health care but Pinnacle says health care today is facing unusual challenges.

http://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/mobile/two-massive-medical-facilities-coming-to-ottawa-in-2017-1.2340079

1overcosc · #**4333** Posted **Apr 23, 2015, 2:32 AM**

How would this pay for itself? Medical fees in Ontario are regulated and billed to OHIP, private health care isn't legal.

waterloowarrior · #**4334** Posted **Apr 23, 2015, 2:50 AM**

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Originally Posted by 1overcosc

How would this pay for itself? Medical fees in Ontario are regulated and billed to OHIP, private health care isn't legal.

There are plenty of services not covered by OHIP. 30% of health care in Canada is paid for privately. Doctors, dentists, labs, clinics, etc are all for-profit businesses. I would assume the rent would be higher at a place like this, but there would be lower support staff costs, more referrals because it's a one-stop-shop etc.

YOWflier · #**4335** Posted **Apr 23, 2015, 2:51 AM**

Think Appletree, but apparently on a much larger scale.

1overcosc · #**4336** Posted **Apr 23, 2015, 3:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

There are plenty of services not covered by OHIP. 30% of health care in Canada is paid for privately. Doctors, dentists, labs, clinics, etc are all for-profit businesses. I would assume the rent would be higher at a place like this, but there would be lower support staff costs, more referrals because it's a one-stop-shop etc.

So doctors would still be able to afford to work here on OHIP fees?

canabiz · #**4337** Posted **Apr 23, 2015, 3:28 AM**

Good news for Kanata and Barrhaven. I know the commercial vacancy rate for Kanata has been rather high, ever since the hi-tech downturn started in the early 2000's.

These 2 centres will bring jobs to the local areas as well as patients who may spend $ on businesses in the immediate vicinity.

1overcosc · #**4338** Posted **Apr 23, 2015, 4:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by canabiz

Good news for Kanata and Barrhaven. I know the commercial vacancy rate for Kanata has been rather high, ever since the hi-tech downturn started in the early 2000's.

These 2 centres will bring jobs to the local areas as well as patients who may spend $ on businesses in the immediate vicinity.

The high-tech employment has been rising in the past few years but most of that rise has been in the federal government or in downtown offices (notably, Shopify & OpenText both setting up shop in the core).

waterloowarrior · #**4339** Posted **Apr 23, 2015, 5:16 AM**

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Originally Posted by 1overcosc

So doctors would still be able to afford to work here on OHIP fees?

My guess is that the majority of the doctors' revenue would be from OHIP, but there could be special packages of uninsured services available...probably not quite as extreme as the nearby executive clinic on Legget Dr.

The big draw seems to be that the majority of the unpaid activities doctors need to do to run their business (billing, IT, training, equipment, hiring etc) are taken care of by the clinic, which leaves more time to see more patients and/or have better work/life balance... And because there are so many doctors there are economies of scale for daycare, better equipment, training, and other services most medical clinics don't have.

canabiz · #**4340** Posted **Apr 23, 2015, 11:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by 1overcosc

The high-tech employment has been rising in the past few years but most of that rise has been in the federal government or in downtown offices (notably, Shopify & OpenText both setting up shop in the core).

Yes I was talking more specifically about Kanata/Nepean/Sillcon Valley North and the heyday of the late 90's/early 2000's where you practically got a job offer right after graduation if you were in an IT/Engineering field.

Actually you didn't even need to graduate with a degree in those fields and still got very decent jobs, courtesy of Nortel, JDS Uniphase, Newbridge (since Alcatel and now Nokia?), Dell and Sitel call centres but those days are long gone.

This fairly dated) article summed it up pretty well...what we are seeing now is a *quiet boom* and is nowhere near that of the heyday and that may not necessarily be a bad thing.

http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=2a0b745b-eded-4269-af0f-f454d25a8ca6