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Old Posted Apr 15, 2015, 2:15 PM
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Oh! Em! Gee!!! I hope it's gonna be a Walgreens!!!!!
I think a drive-thru Starbucks, seriously.
     
     
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It looked like they were doing utility locates around the site this morning.
I noticed a couple of times the wind had blown down the fence. I wouldn't be surprised if they took down the sign to keep the wind from blowing it down again.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2015, 3:37 PM
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It just gets worse and worse...I really hope that is brick on the exterior.
Mmmmmmm...... I love value engineering. Just watching the hope sucked out of a project when the cold realities of economics comes into play is such a treat.

"This is the goddamn budget that meets the necessary IRR; come up with a design that works for it." is a lot better mindset than the simple awesome VA-esque mindset of, "Let's let the designer run rough-shod over a project and pretend that a gold-plated toilet can be built for the price of a porcelain one."
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It just gets worse and worse...I really hope that is brick on the exterior.
Seems like all we do is complain here lately.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2015, 3:42 PM
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Seems like all we do is complain here lately.
Constructive criticism.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2015, 3:51 PM
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Criticism of all construction isn't the same as constructive criticism.
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2015, 3:57 PM
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Hey now... There are some projects we haven't complained about! I'll just leave this here.

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Old Posted Apr 15, 2015, 4:09 PM
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Seems like all we do is complain here lately.
It's the one outlet that most of us have regarding development in the city. Other than that, we have to sit back and take what the developers give us because most of us are not developers, nor do we wish to be.

It's interesting how the design for the Hilton Garden Inn has changed: The change from the first to the second rendering shows a change in programming with what appears to be a ballroom either eliminated or relocated. The third rending is a stylistic change where we went to a nouveau mid-century modern style. I preferred the first rendering, but I like the third for the way it really makes the historic hose building stand out.
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2015, 4:14 PM
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It just gets worse and worse...I really hope that is brick on the exterior.
Just in the spirit of conversation, I rather like the latest version the best now...... though what a dull world it could be if all we got was everything we liked.......

     
     
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I suppose someone could reasonably say it literally looks generic where the HOTEL logo is.. given it's block white letters on a black background. It's a negative of old generic lables.. but still.
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It's interesting how the design for the Hilton Garden Inn has changed: The change from the first to the second rendering shows a change in programming with what appears to be a ballroom either eliminated or relocated. The third rending is a stylistic change where we went to a nouveau mid-century modern style. I preferred the first rendering, but I like the third for the way it really makes the historic hose building stand out.
Also had mixed feeling but agree with the fun contrast framing the historic building nicely.

It's not the primest of locations; sort of the affordable business end of the neighborhood ie. King Soopers versus Whole Foods. It will have very good access to I-25 and Coors Field etc. Guessing that it's quite costly to bring the hose company back to life although over the long run a great asset.
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2015, 5:13 PM
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I suppose someone could reasonably say it literally looks generic where the HOTEL logo is.. given it's block white letters on a black background. It's a negative of old generic lables.. but still.

Makes me think of that "hotel!" moment from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest:

     
     
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2015, 5:23 PM
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Just in the spirit of conversation, I rather like the latest version the best now...... though what a dull world it could be if all we got was everything we liked.......

For what it's worth, I actually agree this is the best version. And I also agree that it's for the best that different people have different aesthetic tastes.

If we want to be "constructive," we should be discussing the individual details. What I see over the course of those three renderings is about the same level of quality of materials, and a gradual improvement in overall massing and aesthetics; the changes don't clearly jump out as "value engineering" to me. I can't quite tell if that material is EIFS, and there is certainly justification in criticizing it if it is, but whatever it is it appears to be on all three renderings in at least some form (Grey panels in the first, smooth white in the second, and now black). Somehow the black material looks too smooth to be EIFS, which usually comes in panels with clearly visible seams between them, but it could just be the quality of the rendering. I'm not sure what other modern material that could be. The secondary (now glass) portion of the building definitely looks the best now. And I liked the black brick from the ground floor of the first rendering as a material choice, but overall I actually think this third version is the cleanest and most striking design.
     
     
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This my first time posting to the forum, but I have been a reader for a long time. I see a lot of complaints about parking podiums on highrises. I actually prefer parking podiums on residential highrises because they automatically make the building several storeys taller so that the apartments or condos start on the say 6-7 floor instead of the 3rd floor. It seems to me a podium is more "green" than a several story underground parking garage. This is because all of the fossil fuel used to excavate the deeper hole and all of the soil that must be relocated. Is there a precedent for a building like the Confluence to switch over to condominiums before it is completed? I assume this is unlikely since it was financed as an apartment building.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2015, 6:13 PM
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This my first time posting to the forum, but I have been a reader for a long time. I see a lot of complaints about parking podiums on highrises. I actually prefer parking podiums on residential highrises because they automatically make the building several storeys taller so that the apartments or condos start on the say 6-7 floor instead of the 3rd floor. It seems to me a podium is more "green" than a several story underground parking garage. This is because all of the fossil fuel used to excavate the deeper hole and all of the soil that must be relocated. Is there a precedent for a building like the Confluence to switch over to condominiums before it is completed? I assume this is unlikely since it was financed as an apartment building.
Hey corey, welcome, and just an FYI, I also started out simply following the threads here for a long time, but then one day I couldn't contain myself and had to start posting......

Anyways, yes, I do agree with you about the parking podiums..... although I'm pretty sure that probably there are those out there who don't agree.... so is the world. And it does make a building several stories taller, and yes.... excavation does require more.....

As for the Confluence, well...... I wouldn't know an answer..... but just from my own thinking about this and then guessing..... I couldn't see why it somehow couldn't be changed into a for-sale condo units building - assuming condo defect laws become favorable soon for it? I would think that all it would take is for all of the parties involved there to agree to it?

And also now that you're posting here on the site.... it can be a roller coaster ride sometimes......

     
     
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2015, 6:31 PM
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So......It appears that the building permit for 1144 Fifteenth Street has been issued.

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Old Posted Apr 15, 2015, 6:31 PM
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Hey now... There are some projects we haven't complained about! I'll just leave this here.

You know, this recent design wouldn't be so bad if they incorporated a dark brick like at the 16th & Wewatta Hotel/Office Complex for the major part of this building.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2015, 6:47 PM
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This my first time posting to the forum, but I have been a reader for a long time. I see a lot of complaints about parking podiums on highrises. I actually prefer parking podiums on residential highrises because they automatically make the building several storeys taller so that the apartments or condos start on the say 6-7 floor instead of the 3rd floor. It seems to me a podium is more "green" than a several story underground parking garage. This is because all of the fossil fuel used to excavate the deeper hole and all of the soil that must be relocated. Is there a precedent for a building like the Confluence to switch over to condominiums before it is completed? I assume this is unlikely since it was financed as an apartment building.
Going taller also requires more structure per square foot. The green question would depend on a bunch of factors per location, but I don't see an obvious answer.

Mostly I hate podiums because they create blank street walls, vs. ones that have people living right above ground level. Also, as a highrise (lower part) resident I value the ability to use stairs instead of the elevator. Third, podium buildings tend to look awkward from a distance too, especially because they're often designed as one building on top of another instead of an integrated whole.

Of course (repeating myself) the amount of parking plays a big role. A 150-space garage can be less obtrusive than a 300-space one. With less parking, you can fit more housing units on a smaller site.

You can also put housing or commercial uses on part of the podium, though that probably means a taller podium since you're taking more space.

Of course podiums mostly exist because they're cheaper than going below-grade, with a lot of variation depending on adjacent buildings, soils, etc.
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It seems to me a podium is more "green" than a several story underground parking garage. This is because all of the fossil fuel used to excavate the deeper hole...
Welcome to the forum.

We don't like parking podiums because they harm the walkability of the street. Pedestrians need things to be visually interesting, or a sidewalk feels barren and dangerous, and therefore people drive instead of walk. That's why Larimer Square is a nicer place to walk than, say, Court Place.

Parking garages aren't the worst option. They're much better than surface parking, and some garages are better than others. But it's a very dubious claim that they're "more green" than underground parking. By making the street less walkable, they push people into pollution-spewing cars over the entire life of the building, and that almost surely overrides whatever marginal reduction in emissions might be saved during construction.

But a building with a parking podium is better than no building at all, so as long as we take good efforts to make the podiums as attractive and interesting as possible, it's all good.
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So......It appears that the building permit for 1144 fifteenth Street has been issued.
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