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Old Posted Apr 15, 2015, 1:52 PM
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I'm putting my money on a giant "SHAW" sign.
I'm sure people will complain just like they did when the convention proposed the digital screen. It would be better to have a digital "art wall" facing the canal that could show things like the Olympics, performances at the NAC, and advertisements than a giant corporate logo.
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Pretty sure that it is agaisnt the city by-law. I think it is referenced in the Retail Thread.
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2015, 10:39 PM
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I'm sure people will complain just like they did when the convention proposed the digital screen. It would be better to have a digital "art wall" facing the canal that could show things like the Olympics, performances at the NAC, and advertisements than a giant corporate logo.
I agree that the "Art Wall" is a much better use of the space.
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Old Posted May 21, 2015, 10:16 PM
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Seems like they're just putting up a random mix of glossy tiles...



Anyone know how to insert a photo properly??

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Old Posted May 21, 2015, 10:57 PM
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Seems like they're just putting up a random mix of glossy tiles...



Anyone know how to insert a photo properly??
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You need to have the "JPEG URL" (is that what it's called?). For Flickr, click the View All Sizes option, then drag the photo of the right size to the URL box and then take that link and insert it between [img][/img].
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Old Posted May 22, 2015, 3:52 AM
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I don't hate this. Its only been a couple years and the bland cream coloured metal wall was already dirty / maybe rusting a bit at the seams. I think this plays off of the colour of the glass front well.
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So much for an exciting interactive video screen...
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So much for an exciting interactive video screen...
Just think of the squares as giant pixels. If you go far far away from it, maybe it turns into an image
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Just think of the squares as giant pixels. If you go far far away from it, maybe it turns into an image
In that case, I'm seeing a picture of cleavage
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Biking to work today, I thought this wall looks pretty decent from the Laurier St bridge!
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Almost done. And it looks like they've drilled holes to mount a logo or a name:




It fits quite well with the greyscale patterns of Nordstrom too I think.


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Shaw Centre looking at insolvency with $4M debt payment it can't cover

David Reevely, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: October 2, 2017 | Last Updated: October 2, 2017 5:06 PM EDT




Ottawa’s convention centre won’t be able to make a $4-million payment on a loan it still owes for its construction, the centre’s bosses have told the provincial government.

The payment is due next September, after a five-year break from payments on what started as a $40-million loan but has grown to nearly $50 million.

By now, the Shaw Centre by the Rideau Canal was supposed to be turning a profit of $6 million a year on $26 million in revenues, according to the business case for the publicly funded reconstruction it undertook a decade ago. It’s not close.

The centre hasn’t published an annual report yet for past year, but its financials are included in the provincial government’s public accounts, detailed statements for all the government’s ministries and agencies recently tabled in the legislature.

“While the centre is expected to be able to meet its obligations relating to its ongoing operations as they come due, the centre does not expect to have sufficient cash on hand to make this payment in addition to meeting its other liabilities,” say the centre’s financial statements for the 2016-17 fiscal year. Can’t get much plainer than that.

The province owns the Shaw Centre — convention centres are typically public, sort of like business-oriented community centres — as a Crown corporation. The province is also the centre’s biggest creditor. A decade ago, to rebuild the centre and bring in tens of thousands more conventioneers, the federal and provincial governments kicked in $50 million each and the city $40 million.

The last $40 million of the $180-million cost was covered by a loan from the provincial government’s Ontario Financing Authority (basically its in-house bank), to be paid off with the expanded centre’s new profits. With the money in hand, they demolished an old concrete leviathan and replaced it with a modern glassy bubble.

The convention centre is gorgeous, but it isn’t bringing in the cash, or the events.

Kressler wrote in a blog post in June that the centre had 31 conventions in 2016 and was poised for 43 this year; by now, according to the projections, it was already supposed to have topped 51. By now, it was supposed to be cruising — conventions and events lined up, money rolling in and the debt a few years away from being wiped out.

In 2012, a year in which the convention centre made a $6,753 operating profit (that was supposed to be $5 million), it negotiated breathing room with the government: No loan payments for five years, while it revved its engines. The interest would keep racking up, added to the original debt, but the centre would be better able to pay it in a few years.

Now the debt is up over $49 million and that $4-million payment is on the horizon.

They’re working on it, says chief executive Nina Kressler. I asked for an interview and they emailed a statement. Here it is: “The Ottawa Convention Centre is working with the Ministry of Tourism Culture and Sport and the Ontario Financing Authority to confirm the agency’s repayment capacity and develop a debt resolution plan in advance of the first repayment scheduled for September 2018.”

The good news is that the centre might find the money, if the province waits a little longer. Profits on day-to-day operations have crept up: $1.1 million two years ago, $1.9 million last year. You’d expect 2017 to be a bumper year, too, although 2018 might bring a Canada 150 hangover.

It’s too soon to call this a stable trend, and the interest (over $2 million added to the principal each year) is still racking up faster than the profits. Making more money than before is something, though.

This is a pretty bizarre situation. The idea behind the loan arrangement was to limit governments’ responsibility if they project missed expectations. But through the provincial government, we taxpayers own the thing anyway. We’re going to, what, put it into bankruptcy? Torch it for the insurance? Sell it for parts? What am I bid for several hundred irregular triangular glass panels?

The provincial government forgave a $145-million loan to the Toronto convention centre under similar circumstances back in 2003. In exchange, the Toronto centre turns over at least $2.5 million a year from its profits. Much more, in a good year — it’s up to $72.5 million in those payments. Something like that will surely happen here, and we’ll end up with a more normal relationship between an owner and a thing the owner owns.

Plus maybe a few bucks we can start putting aside for the next time we need a new convention centre. These things aren’t cheap and they don’t pay for themselves.

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Old Posted Oct 3, 2017, 3:21 AM
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I wonder if they accounted for the EY Centre when they built it.
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Old Posted Oct 3, 2017, 1:24 PM
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I wonder if they accounted for the EY Centre when they built it.
I work in this industry and can assure you that the EY centre is not really the core issue. Most (not all) of the clients at the EY centre run tradeshows for consumers that run on extremely tight budgets. They can't afford the rates being charged at the Shaw Centre. This is why many ran their shows at Lansdowne before. There are certainly a few shows at the EY, or that have moved to the EY that have the budget for the Shaw centre but the shaw centre does not have adequate contiguous floorspace for large scale exhibitions and some of these clients. This is one prime factor in them losing big conventions.

The shaw centre is a great facility, but it loses business time and again for a few reasons.
1. It isn't quite big enough to run certain shows. 2. Our tier 2 airport and lack of direct air connections mean they lose much international business to Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver (known as MTV in the industry). Conference Organizers want direct connections. Ottawa is great for that in the Canadian market, but severely lacking for international delegates. 3. We don't have enough available hotel rooms connected to the Shaw centre. Their hotel partner, the Westin has quite a bit of exhibit floorspace itself and its rooms are often full with other business, so that partnership isn't an ideal one. They need a large connected hotel to that facility that will make a better strategic partner. Conference Organizers prefer to deal with as few hotels as possible, in Ottawa's case, they are dealing with 4+ hotels because of availability issues.

The shaw centre (IMHO) needs to really focus on the canadian market, canadian associations, canadian corporate business and high end public events and work selling those sectors to the max. I know they are closing some good international business too, One Young World was a good example. However, the 3 big cities are closing deals 10 times the size and I think Ottawa really needs to market where they have the highest chance of success.

I look at other markets like Winnipeg. Their tourism bureau and convention centre manage to close a tonne of business, they are in this city all the time marketing the Canadian Association Market and frankly Ottawa is a far better destination for a conference. They need to be going head to head with cities like that.

All this being said, there are very good people working to bring conventions to Ottawa and lots of successes. Their budgeted numbers were probably a bit lofty to start but I really think they need to hustle certain markets more and others less.
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I'm sure they will do a lot better when Amazon HQ2 comes to Ottawa
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Not surprised with the sluggish outlook for the Convention Centre. I agree with daud's point on hotels and airport connectivity. Maybe when DND finally moves to their campus, a new hotel can be built across Rideau Centre. Or maybe just repurpose DNDs building as a hotel (although I would really love a new building there as the existing one is very boxy and boring). Not sure how they will address airport connectivity though. Even if O-train is extended to the airport and made into dual tracks, the stations are still far from downtown. Well, the Confederation Line can connect it, I guess.
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Not surprised with the sluggish outlook for the Convention Centre. I agree with daud's point on hotels and airport connectivity. Maybe when DND finally moves to their campus, a new hotel can be built across Rideau Centre. Or maybe just repurpose DNDs building as a hotel (although I would really love a new building there as the existing one is very boxy and boring). Not sure how they will address airport connectivity though. Even if O-train is extended to the airport and made into dual tracks, the stations are still far from downtown. Well, the Confederation Line can connect it, I guess.
I thought DND was going to keep the current building.
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Not sure how they will address airport connectivity though. Even if O-train is extended to the airport and made into dual tracks, the stations are still far from downtown. Well, the Confederation Line can connect it, I guess.
Airport connectivity meant connecting Ottawa's airport to other airports directly, not connecting to the Convention Centre.
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Old Posted Oct 4, 2017, 1:17 AM
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DND is not moving out of their current Colonel By Headquarters. Eighty-some location are being consolidated into something like sixteen (with the current DND HQ and Nortel being the main sites).

I wish they would move out of downtown. I would love to see that building converted into split uses; condos for the south tower and a hotel in the north tower. Possibly build a third, taller tower on Nicholas.

If the Rideau Centre built the long awaited hotel on the Registrar's office site, it would be a huge boost to the Convention Centre, but it would have to be, at the very least, 400 rooms.
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