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Old Posted Apr 11, 2015, 3:26 AM
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It looks so good in renderings. I really hope they just build it as is, it couldn't be much more perfect honestly.
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Here's that Times article...


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/11/nyregi...rade-center-site-officials-say.html?_r=0

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News Corporation and 21st Century Fox, two giant media companies controlled by Rupert Murdoch, are considering building a joint headquarters in a new 88-story skyscraper at the World Trade Center, real estate executives and government officials said this week.

If a deal is struck, the move by the companies from Midtown Manhattan to a new tower downtown would complete the rebuilding of the office complex destroyed on Sept. 11, 2001. It would also solidify the transformation of Lower Manhattan into a technology and media hub and a lively residential community.

The companies, which include Fox News and The Wall Street Journal, have been in discussions for months with the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the site and the developer Larry A. Silverstein, who has the rights to build the fourth and last office tower at the site, known as 2 World Trade Center, according to the real estate executives and government officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the deal had not been made final.

“This move would establish media hegemony in Lower Manhattan,” said Mitchell Moss, a professor of urban planning at New York University. “News Corp. and Fox are in everyone’s living room. It removes any uncertainty that the new trade center would be a major economic engine, and it validates the 15-year effort to rebuild the World Trade Center.”

News Corporation and 21st Century Fox would require a substantial revision to the long-planned 2 World Trade Center, at Vesey and Greenwich Streets, which the British architect Norman Foster designed. The companies want the base of what is now a cruciform-shape tower with a diamond crown to accommodate television studios.

Earlier in the year, Mr. Murdoch’s companies looked and passed on the Related Companies’ Hudson Yards project on the Far West Side of Manhattan. Mr. Murdoch’s companies are now housed at 1211 and 1185 Avenue of the Americas.

The discussions on the trade center are shrouded in a confidentiality agreement, but several executives who have been briefed on the plans say both sides are spending an enormous amount of time and money assessing the feasibility of the project.

Nathaniel Brown, a spokesman for 21st Century Fox, said on Friday that it and News Corporation “are each exploring options for their New York headquarters, and the process is ongoing.”

The two media companies would join Condé Nast, The Daily News, Time Inc., McGraw-Hill, American Media Inc. and MediaMath in moving to an area once known exclusively for its financial institutions.

The tallest tower at the site, the 104-story 1 World Trade Center, opened last year. Mr. Silverstein completed the 72-story 4 World Trade Center in 2013 and is now building 3 World Trade Center, an 80-story tower. But 2 World Trade Center, which is intended to have 3.1 million square feet, remained in the planning stages, without an anchor tenant to get the project off the ground.

Even as the new trade center has taken shape, the surrounding neighborhood in Lower Manhattan has undergone a major transformation. The area, which 20 years ago often looked like a ghost town at the end of the work day, is now home to upscale restaurants, luxury retailers and more than 60,000 residents.

The financial industry, which lent the neighborhood its name, still has a strong presence. The New York Stock Exchange remains on Wall Street. The Federal Reserve Bank is on Liberty Street, and Goldman Sachs is an important downtown firm.

But its footprint has been shrinking steadily. One Wall Street, the Art Deco home of Irving Trust and Bank of New York Mellon, is being converted into luxury apartments, as are many other older downtown office towers. Chase Manhattan Plaza was sold to a Chinese company.

Time Inc., and its stable of magazines and digital media properties, is moving to the five-building office complex that was once known as the World Financial Center. Merrill Lynch and Nomura, a Japanese financial firm, are gone from the complex, and its owners have renamed it Brookfield Place.

Mr. Murdoch is not unacquainted with life downtown. HarperCollins, the publishing division of News Corporation, is already in Lower Manhattan, at 195 Broadway. In 2013, News Corporation spun off 21st Century Fox, which includes television studios, Fox Entertainment Group and various broadcast units.

The two companies have about 4,000 employees at their offices on Avenue of the Americas.


Yet there are logistical issues at 2 World Trade Center, and the companies have a history of failing to pull the trigger on major real estate moves.

In 2008, News Corporation was a partner and anchor tenant in a bid by the Related Companies to buy the West Side railyards for a 26-acre residential and commercial complex. Related effectively dropped out of the bidding a month before the final selection after a shaky economy led Mr. Murdoch’s company to abandon the deal.

Ultimately, Related did gain control of the railyards after the winning bidder refused to sign the deal.

Even earlier, News Corporation negotiated for six months in 1989 with the developer David Solomon to be the anchor tenant for a 42-story tower under construction at the north end of Times Square. The two sides failed to come to terms; Mr. Solomon tumbled into bankruptcy and lost his building.

The talks at the trade center began earlier this year. Initially, Mr. Murdoch’s companies had wanted to gain control of the site from Mr. Silverstein and build a smaller tower designed by their own architect. That proved undoable for various reasons.

The companies are now talking about taking about half of the building — 1.5 million square feet — designed by Mr. Foster, although they still may bring in their own architect for the changes.

Given that the foundation has already been built, the two sides are assessing whether the structure can still accommodate the changes they want for television studios.


If it proves possible, it is still unclear what kind of subsidy deal News Corporation and 21st Century Fox would want from the Port Authority, the city and the state. Generous sales tax breaks are available downtown, but there are no more tax-free Liberty Bonds, which were used to finance the other office towers at the trade center.
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Old Posted Apr 11, 2015, 4:33 AM
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Good news and bad news, it'll probably get built soon but may not look like what we want, it also (likely) won't be as high.

Everything is going amazing in NY in terms of skyscrapers and development except at the WTC site. This is where it should be best.
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I'd rather Silverstein walk away from the deal than reduce the height of the building. Base modifications? Go nuts! But leave the height and the crown well alone (unless the plan is to increase it by thirteen feet, in which case I'm all for it).
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The overall shape of the tower won't change much, since it's already above street level. I just hope there won't be a height cut, that's the last thing we need at the WTC site. I expect the diamonds to be cheapened a bit, just like 1WTC's spire was.
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There is nothing to suggest a height reduction. The mere fact that Fox may lease half the tower does not suggest that Larry will build only 1.5m sf.
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There is nothing to suggest a height reduction. The mere fact that Fox may lease half the tower does not suggest that Larry will build only 1.5m sf.
Thats what I was thinking too. Remember Larry wants to get a tenant to the point of getting the tower built. The rest will follow and overtime, like tower 1, 7, and 4, they will fill up.

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The overall shape of the tower won't change much, since it's already above street level. I just hope there won't be a height cut, that's the last thing we need at the WTC site. I expect the diamonds to be cheapened a bit, just like 1WTC's spire was.
Any sort of redesign on the diamonds for sake of debate would be catastrophic. It was meant to go hand in hand with the memorial given the way light bounces off it, into the two pools. Larry wouldn't change that. Tower 3 lost the cross bracing, and a slight height decrease, but some of these cost cutting methods didn't really change it too too much. I don't see them touching WTC3. With a 50% lease, thats a big start for such a tower.

The market is for downtown, and the WTC is becoming a sucess through its many towers. If the economy was in a downturn, I'd say WTC2 could be bastardized, but I don't see it happening.
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Good news and bad news, it'll probably get built soon but may not look like what we want, it also (likely) won't be as high.

Everything is going amazing in NY in terms of skyscrapers and development except at the WTC site. This is where it should be best.
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I'd rather Silverstein walk away from the deal than reduce the height of the building. Base modifications? Go nuts! But leave the height and the crown well alone (unless the plan is to increase it by thirteen feet, in which case I'm all for it).

Nobody said there is going to be a height change. The issue is fitting studio space into the base. I could actually see that going the other way. But we'll have to first wait to see that a deal is actually completed, and then see what changes to the base will be made, which likely won't be the shape.
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Looking back at some of the earlier construction...

This shot, alongside the blueprints for the new mall, seem to imply that a small section of the original mall will be preserved:


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Good news and bad news, it'll probably get built soon but may not look like what we want, it also (likely) won't be as high.
I know you're the resident pessimist, but this is ridiculous, even for you.

There is nothing in this article that even hints at any change in building height. The only discussion is whether the current base can configure television studios.

And if the base can't do this, then there's probably no lease anyways, because the base is already built, and can't be significantly altered.
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This thread was reopened so that we could discuss tower 2.
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It is absolutely exciting and wonderful to hear any type of promising news for 2WTC being built at all. That said, we need to get one thing clearly answered first because of the potential tenants needs.

Can 2WTC support TV studios? In it's current design, no. So now we need to see what can be done to add that in. There is a bit of trading floor space built into the original design on the east end of the tower. Is that suitable enough? If not, there might be additional room on the west end of that potentially planned pubic arts theater is supposed to be located. That's the two options they got to work with, basically.

What was discussed in the past is that getting the foundation part done was always going to be the hard part and practically anything could be built on top of that. I think we're going to put that statement to the test here. Shame it's going to take a while, if Fox is seriously interested in this location, to see any potential designs of the modified 2wtc plans.

Of the WTC towers, 2WTC has been my favorite design for a long time now. Exciting to hear news about it at all these days.
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I apologized for this and moved back on topic...I guess that was removed in the cleanup as well. Moving on...

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Regarding the base...






Maybe FOX wants it to look a little more like this (as it was imagined for 1 Vanderbilt)...


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Surprised CNN hasn't expressed interest in this. They are currently in Time Warner, but seem to have chosen the HY area. Either way smart move for Fox or really News Corp..

Its good though to see a shift of media from Midtown to Lower. Usually it was the other way around, but now there will be more variety as opposed to a neighborhood economy dominated by finance only.
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Looking back at some of the earlier construction...

Good question. I hadn't heard of any plan to preserve that hallway, but you are correct in that the existing cutout (not part of the WTC tub) includes that hallway, as far as I can tell.

Here is another angle showing that the remaining IND stub extended to roughly parallel with the end of Church Street:


Here is a blueprint from the original mall showing the hallway you're talking about, the red line marks where I think they cut it:


and here is a new blueprint:
lower:
upper:
You can see it doesn't go into much detail at all, however it shows the upper level of the occulus has a connecting hallway to the E train while the lower level shows no connection. There doesn't seem to be any sign of those doors or stairs as shown in the old prints / photos.

My guess is that they will demolish that hallway (if it hasn't been already) and built a new one in it's place in the modern aesthetic of the PATH terminal / Westfield mall.
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This should happen

I don't think that design wise they have really crossed any point of no return, at least as far as what Rupert Murdoch is asking for. As long as the $$$ is right they should be able to get something done. A redesigned base shouldn't put any undue stress on the foundation and, correct me if I'm wrong, the WTC towers foundations are all way overbuilt anyway. the Tower itself shouldn't be affected at all by a redesign of the base.

What I'm curious about is what exactly the TV studio's needs are regarding floorplate space and ceiling height. Will that make the base look way different on the outside or largely the same with different innards? Will be fun to see what they come up with. Now silverstein, get it done!
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