Winnipeg Construction VIII - Page 303

windypeg · #**6041** Posted **Apr 10, 2015, 9:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by Simplicity

You want a restaurant to build a parking structure for itself?

We're leaving the yard here, people. This is Winnipeg. Those lots are desired by exactly nobody. Their value lies in being a gravel slab at about 30% occupancy and we want to dictate land usage on a stretch of Main that is surface parking and some nondescript office buildings? Let's get real. You want to develop the Exchange? Fine. You want to develop the SHED? Okay. You want to develop the stretch of Portage around the U of W? It's being worked on. That's like 3 square miles! And people wonder why everything is completely half-assed. Pick a couple of things and do them right. Stop pretending like every bit of our sprawling downtown is strategic and sacrosanct development territory. It isn't. It never has been. That's why it's all derelict.

Gotta agree here. What are they supposed to put on the 2nd and 3rd floors exactly? There's already plenty of office space for rent downtown. Residential would be great but who wants to live in between Main and the rail line?

Labroco · #**6042** Posted **Apr 10, 2015, 9:52 PM**

Did anyone know about the Centre Venture general meeting ahead of time?

Was anyone here invited or go?

Was there any public notice that anyone was aware of it please?

Thanks

1ajs · #**6043** Posted **Apr 10, 2015, 11:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by Labroco

Did anyone know about the Centre Venture general meeting ahead of time?

Was anyone here invited or go?

Was there any public notice that anyone was aware of it please?

Thanks

When was that

Simplicity · #**6044** Posted **Apr 10, 2015, 11:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by Labroco

Did anyone know about the Centre Venture general meeting ahead of time?

Was anyone here invited or go?

Was there any public notice that anyone was aware of it please?

Thanks

I was there for a bit - rest assured you missed nothing.

CentreVenture is just a circlejerk for bureaucrats and their cronies. This is an organization that doubled its operating loss in a single year (through some accounting trickery - it should have been worse) and wants to pat themselves on the back with a public relations event.

Richard Olfert got up and started explaining away the problems of CentreVenture by remarking that it turns out - in other words he was surprised to learn - that the land bank given to CentreVenture would eventually stop producing the same dividends.

Richard Olfert is an accountant - the managing partner of Deloitte in Manitoba. Richard Olfert has been on the board of CV almost since inception. Richard Olfert is confused by the prospect that the sale of an asset results in the one-time realization of a gain. And as a consequence, 15 years later and nearly $13MM in the hole, is only now realizing that CentreVenture may actually require a different funding model.

So either Richard Olfert and the rest of the board are completely incompetent, or they're there to do other things. I'll let everybody decide for themselves.

jmt18325 · #**6045** Posted **Apr 10, 2015, 11:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by windypeg

Gotta agree here. What are they supposed to put on the 2nd and 3rd floors exactly? There's already plenty of office space for rent downtown. Residential would be great but who wants to live in between Main and the rail line?

I'm kind of hoping that Earl's just moves. Then all the 'urbanists' can have what they want, and we can have that much less traffic downtown (including less foot traffic between the Forks and MTS centre).

trueviking · #**6046** Posted **Apr 11, 2015, 1:37 AM**

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Originally Posted by jmt18325

I'm kind of hoping that Earl's just moves. Then all the 'urbanists' can have what they want, and we can have that much less traffic downtown (including less foot traffic between the Forks and MTS centre).

Why would you walk between MTS and Earls when you could drive and park in their nice roomy surface parking lot for free

Biff · #**6047** Posted **Apr 11, 2015, 1:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by Labroco

Did anyone know about the Centre Venture general meeting ahead of time?

Was anyone here invited or go?

Was there any public notice that anyone was aware of it please?

Thanks

I was there too. Typical AGM, lots of fluff and patting backs. There were no project updates or reveals.

trueviking · #**6048** Posted **Apr 11, 2015, 1:39 AM**

I'm pretty confident the Earls will come back with a better plan. $6m a year in revenues is too lucrative for them to walk away from.

Biff · #**6049** Posted **Apr 11, 2015, 1:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by Simplicity

I was there for a bit - rest assured you missed nothing.
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I solved it, the only person I saw leave was Mayor "Baoman" as was introduced by Angela Matthiesen.

Therefore Simplicity is Brian Bowman.

Gotcha, I knew I should work for the CIA

Biff · #**6050** Posted **Apr 11, 2015, 1:45 AM**

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Originally Posted by trueviking

I'm pretty confident the Earls will come back with a better plan. $6m a year in revenues is too lucrative for them to walk away from.

Put a spire on it!

jmt18325 · #**6051** Posted **Apr 11, 2015, 2:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by trueviking

Why would you walk between MTS and Earls when you could drive and park in their nice roomy surface parking lot for free

Well, I was one of the people that made the walk. The parking lot is a lot smaller than you seem to be remembering.

trueviking · #**6052** Posted **Apr 11, 2015, 3:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by Biff

I solved it, the only person I saw leave was Mayor "Baoman" as was introduced by Angela Matthiesen.

Therefore Simplicity is Brian Bowman.

Gotcha, I knew I should work for the CIA

That would make the 11 years and thousands of hours wasted on this web site all worth it.

trueviking · #**6053** Posted **Apr 11, 2015, 3:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by Biff

Put a spire on it!

Why not just make the bird statue bigger?

1ajs · #**6054** Posted **Apr 11, 2015, 4:24 AM**

if it is bowman then aww but i dont think its him

might be someone in the city property planning thats high up the food chain though

Labroco · #**6055** Posted **Apr 11, 2015, 4:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by Biff

I was there too. Typical AGM, lots of fluff and patting backs. There were no project updates or reveals.

Sorry folks I have to ask again...

How was this advertised?

The newspaper?

Evites?

Word of mouth?

I saw nothing in my office or on the CV webpage or media beforehand.

Did they take questions?

What am I missing?

Also how many people were actually there?

Any real estate stakeholders or just government?

Thanks again...

JamieDavid Exchange · #**6056** Posted **Apr 11, 2015, 12:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by trueviking

I'm pretty confident the Earls will come back with a better plan. $6m a year in revenues is too lucrative for them to walk away from.

In the free press, why was one of the reasons the city rejected the proposal due to the design not fitting in with the surrounding future transit oriented development? It will take a total of almost 18 years to complete the first stage of Rapid Transit. It will be another 15 years before they connect the first stage and run the line behind Union Station out to Transcona. Earls would need another new building by then anyways.

Biff · #**6057** Posted **Apr 11, 2015, 2:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by Labroco

Sorry folks I have to ask again...

How was this advertised?

The newspaper?

Evites?

Word of mouth?

I saw nothing in my office or on the CV webpage or media beforehand.

Did they take questions?

What am I missing?

Also how many people were actually there?

Any real estate stakeholders or just government?

Thanks again...

Sorry to not answer your how and why. I received an invite. I never checked if it was on thier website because of this but I assume it was on there. They have one every year around the same time. I'm not great at statistics but I would have to guess there was probably 100 people there. There was a mix of design (architects/engineers),banking and business, press, government officials, real estate professionals and for some funny reason half a dozen police and cadets. There were a few questions but nothing worthy of reporting.

The best part actually was watching Bartley Kives write his story and tweet while we were sitting there. I am ALWAYS following Twitter and was quitetly laughing as he was updating on the go.

Hope this helps. If you want, when I get to work next week I can post a copy of the invite if you want to see it.

Labroco · #**6058** Posted **Apr 11, 2015, 2:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by Biff

Sorry to not answer your how and why. I received an invite. I never checked if it was on thier website because of this but I assume it was on there. They have one every year around the same time. I'm not great at statistics but I would have to guess there was probably 100 people there. There was a mix of design (architects/engineers),banking and business, press, government officials, real estate professionals and for some funny reason half a dozen police and cadets. There were a few questions but nothing worthy of reporting.

The best part actually was watching Bartley Kives write his story and tweet while we were sitting there. I am ALWAYS following Twitter and was quitetly laughing as he was updating on the go.

Hope this helps. If you want, when I get to work next week I can post a copy of the invite if you want to see it.

Thanks that would be great...

eman · #**6059** Posted **Apr 11, 2015, 3:30 PM**

Earl's should be the main floor of a real mixed use tower. With a parkade to the 5th floor,, office from 6 to 12 and condos 12 to 30 floors. The three floor bylaw really doesn't go far enough,, if Earl's wasn't smart enough to know what urban is they just received an expensive lesson. Did Earl's even try to find partners to build something better than a single storey cinder block?

I like branded mixed use: Nordstrom is building a new flagship store in NYC,, at the base of Nordstrom Tower and the roof will be taller than One World Trade. Obviously NYC and Winnipeg are different,, instead of 94 floors, 20 to 30 will do,,but if we said yes to single floor Earl's then we are moving towards downtown Regina. Next Tim Hortons will want a single floor drive through on the parking lot at Portage and Main. Earl's owns the land, they should be able to play ball with a developer.

trueviking · #**6060** Posted **Apr 11, 2015, 5:06 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Labroco

Sorry folks I have to ask again...

How was this advertised?

The newspaper?

Evites?

Word of mouth?

I saw nothing in my office or on the CV webpage or media beforehand.

Did they take questions?

What am I missing?

Also how many people were actually there?

Any real estate stakeholders or just government?

Thanks again...

I got an direct email from the admin assistant of centre venture. Not sure what got me on the list.