Millennium Line - Evergreen Extension | Completed

[dpogue]

Noticed on my way home tonight that they've started adding the Blue Light posts (which are used to indicate whether the guideway is energized or not) along the guideway near Lougheed.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by dpogue

Noticed on my way home tonight that they've started adding the Blue Light posts (which are used to indicate whether the guideway is energized or not)

Are you sure about that? I was of the understanding that the blue light was a standard indication of an emergency call telephone box, not only on Skytrain but on other rapid transit systems too.

[MIPS]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

Are you sure about that? I was of the understanding that the blue light was a standard indication of an emergency call telephone box, not only on Skytrain but on other rapid transit systems too.

Nope. Blue lights are indicators for track section power here. Outside of stations I don't believe we have any sort of emergency phone system.

[TransitJack]

Originally Posted by MIPS

Nope. Blue lights are indicators for track section power here. Outside of stations I don't believe we have any sort of emergency phone system.

There is a traction power cutoff and emergency phone inside. Meant for first responders primarily.

On Skytrain they also give an indication if power rail is energized or not. I don't think this is common practice elsewhere.

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by red-paladin

Shanghai to introduce sky-train with transparent carriages
http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2015-04/09/content_20038612.htm

The generic name "Sky-Train" doesn't imply any relationship to the Translink brand "SkyTrain" in Vancouver, nor the Bombardier or Rotem rolling stock.
Any train system running overhead or hanging from a monorail can be called a "sky train" (until the marketing people come up with a better name)

Similar to "Cola" doesn't mean the brands "Coca-Cola" "Pepsi-Cola" or "Lucky-cola"; "Cola" is just a generic name.

[red-paladin]

Originally Posted by jsbertram

The generic name "Sky-Train" doesn't imply any relationship to the Translink brand "SkyTrain" in Vancouver, nor the Bombardier or Rotem rolling stock.

I know this well, and didn't mean to suggest otherwise.

[GeeCee]

I'm not sure why it's in the Evergreen Line thread either way, even it was Bombardier ALRT/Innovia/SkyTrain.

[xd_1771]

^ Gotta admit though, after seeing that link on Shanghai I find myself looking forward to the larger front and side windows of the Mark IIIs.

[queetz@home]

While the sinkholes are annoying, they are ultimately simply an inevitable result of the tunnel boring process. So its a bit annoying how people make such a big deal of it.

Tri-Cities residents claim Evergreen Line construction is putting lives at risk

Council grilled Evergreen Line Project Executive Director Amanda Farrell, saying that traffic management has been a “disaster” and voting to make Glenayre Drive open only to local traffic.

I hardly call the traffic management a "disaster" in the greater scheme of things given the information we've been bombarded and how EGRT goes out of its way to make sure that affected residents, businesses and motorists are pamphered with. Other construction projects are never this kind, whether its Highway One improvements, the PMB, Canada Line, or even a regular condo construction....

I think the Evergreen Line construction is the least disruptive of all major infrastructure projects in Metro Vancouver, tbh. These people are simply too spoiled, or making a big deal of things just to create excitement on their otherwise boring lives...

[gunnar777]

Originally Posted by queetz@home

I think the Evergreen Line construction is the least disruptive of all major infrastructure projects in Metro Vancouver, tbh. These people are simply too spoiled, or making a big deal of things just to create excitement on their otherwise boring lives...

Completely agree with you here, Queetz. No matter where a project takes place, the certainty is always that there will be plenty of local yokels there to sensationalize what is otherwise routine.

As an aside, I know everyone's entitled to their opinion, but what's with the Go Rotem, die Bombardier tagline in your profile? Coming from Montréal, I can't even begin to tell you how badly we need Bombardier. If it's about LIM vs. conventional train motors, both have their advantages, but I just feel like you're basically cheering on Korean tech while giving the middle finger to Canada, and I just want to know why you hate freedom, son.

[finalcoolman]

Originally Posted by gunnar777

Completely agree with you here, Queetz. No matter where a project takes place, the certainty is always that there will be plenty of local yokels there to sensationalize what is otherwise routine.

As an aside, I know everyone's entitled to their opinion, but what's with the Go Rotem, die Bombardier tagline in your profile? Coming from Montréal, I can't even begin to tell you how badly we need Bombardier. If it's about LIM vs. conventional train motors, both have their advantages, but I just feel like you're basically cheering on Korean tech while giving the middle finger to Canada, and I just want to know why you hate freedom, son.

He had that up ever since Bombardier lost/was losing the Canada Line bid, ironic because the bid that won was really the shittiest most short-sighted deal we could have gotten.

[queetz@home]

Originally Posted by gunnar777

As an aside, I know everyone's entitled to their opinion, but what's with the Go Rotem, die Bombardier tagline in your profile? Coming from Montréal, I can't even begin to tell you how badly we need Bombardier. If it's about LIM vs. conventional train motors, both have their advantages, but I just feel like you're basically cheering on Korean tech while giving the middle finger to Canada, and I just want to know why you hate freedom, son.

Yeah, finalcoolman said it right with regards to the origin of my profile tag. Funny...I did not even notice it was still there after all these years.

During the time of the Canada Line bidding, Bombardier was so despicable and reeks corporate welfare receipient at its finest its not hard to bash them, portraying it as the usual faceless evil corporation you often see in movies and TV shows. Things have improved since then though...

I'll change it as soon as I think of a better tagline...or should I keep it for sentimental value?

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by finalcoolman

He had that up ever since Bombardier lost/was losing the Canada Line bid, ironic because the bid that won was really the shittiest most short-sighted deal we could have gotten.

I must not agree with this. I actually like the rotem cars better than the skytrain cars myself, and I rode the Canada Line nearly everyday for about 2 years.

You can argue about the station lengths (even though they will work just fine for the next couple decades, I think expandble to 65 meters to allow 2 C-cars would have been best).

But the skytrain bid was to have a 2km long trench along south Cambie, and honestly that would have been a big mistake.

Also, other plans were to have it at grade along #3 road in Richmond, that would have been the worst outcome IMO.

Given the north / south orientation of this line vs. the existing skytrain lines, interlining was not needed in this project.

Overal I feel many people exagerate the Canada Lines problems and rag on it simply because that is the popular thing to do, just like ragging on Translink.

[red-paladin]

Taking my mod hat off.. I have to say that I have zero sympathy for the people or city hall of Port Moody. It's their fault that the project wasn't done years ago. They resisted it completely and came up with ludicrous demands, and then as soon as the Province announced that it was considering building the line on the SE route past Riverview, PoMo grovelled to get it back. There has never been as much whining, nimbying and waffling per capita on a project in Metro Vancouver as PoMo has uttered against this project.

[WarrenC12]

Every tunnel project on this planet seems to have problems. I can't wait to see what will happen along Broadway...

[Kisai]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

I must not agree with this. I actually like the rotem cars better than the skytrain cars myself, and I rode the Canada Line nearly everyday for about 2 years.

My opinion is that it would have been cheaper in the long run to have exactly the same system for the entire lower mainland, and the fact that we wound up with the Canada Line with the Korean Rotem tech and our SELTRAC automated system is something of a head scratcher. It's a good punching bag for how P3's are short sighted, but otherwise consider what they actually use in Korea:

Here's our page:
https://www.hyundai-rotem.co.kr/Eng/Business/Rail/Business_Record_View.asp?brid=64

Note the emphasis on "Driverless LRV", of which ours is the oldest on the list.

http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/driverless-metro-car-rolled-out.html

22 Oct 2009
SOUTH KOREA: Hyundai Rotem's first driverless light metro car for domestic use was rolled out at the company's Changwon plant on October 15, when Chairman of the National Assembly Chair Kim Hyung Oh took a test ride.

The company is supplying 50 driverless metro cars as well as electrical and mechanical equipment for the Busan - Gimhae line under a contract awarded by Busan Gimhae Line Corp in November 2006.

The 24 km, 18 station line between Busan Sasang and Gimhae Shinmyung is scheduled to open in April 2011. The aluminium-bodied trains will comprise two-car sets with capacity for up to 300 passengers.

While this is Hyundai Rotem's first domestic contract for driverless metro cars, the company supplied the cars for Vancouver's Canada Line which opened in August. It is also to supply driverless metro cars to Incheon and Seoul.

Yeah, not only the oldest but the first one (Also called light rail or light metro.)
http://en.bngmetro.co.kr/sub/01_02.jsp

I'm pretty sure this is the same one:
http://www.itmworld.com/news/58-communic...ract-for-sin-bundang-metro-line-in-korea


Ironic considering Bombardier did YongIn Everline system using the Skytrain tech (but Bombardier's own CityFlo 650 Driverless tech.)

At any rate this just goes back to the argument that we aren't supposed to look at the system as a sum of it's parts. There are two common parts shared by the Canada Line and the Skytrain (Expo/Millennium/Evergreen), one is the gauge of the rails, and the other is the automated train control technology. That said, I'm not sure what versions are being used, as apparently the current version of Seltrac uses WiFi where as the original MK I cars on the Expo line were setup with RF communication loops.

The vehicles themselves have to be considered independant of the driverless technology, since obviously SelTrac or CityFlo, or anything else can be used on other systems with the same vehicles. Bombardier Innovia Metro covers APM (rubber tyre people movers primarily used at airports), Monorails, and the LIM/Rotary motor versions of the otherwise same car. Meanwhile Rotem-Hyundai doesn't even have a standard EMU model and their workmanship varies quite significantly from project to project.

So I don't really care so much about what technology is being used as long as it's grade separated and automated. But from a cost point of view it makes better sense to use what we have and standardize on as few different models of rolling stock as possible. The P3 problem means either we pay for too much constantly, or are capped at whatever the P3 operator can deliver under the contract and still profit.

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by queetz@home

While the sinkholes are annoying, they are ultimately simply an inevitable result of the tunnel boring process. So its a bit annoying how people make such a big deal of it.

Tri-Cities residents claim Evergreen Line construction is putting lives at risk



I hardly call the traffic management a "disaster" in the greater scheme of things given the information we've been bombarded and how EGRT goes out of its way to make sure that affected residents, businesses and motorists are pamphered with. Other construction projects are never this kind, whether its Highway One improvements, the PMB, Canada Line, or even a regular condo construction....

I think the Evergreen Line construction is the least disruptive of all major infrastructure projects in Metro Vancouver, tbh. These people are simply too spoiled, or making a big deal of things just to create excitement on their otherwise boring lives...

In all this excitement over the TVM issues, has anyone heard more from the Klahanie NIMBYs?
I'm guessing we won't hear much from them until the trains start 'rumbling by'.

[gary92]

Originally Posted by queetz@home

While the sinkholes are annoying, they are ultimately simply an inevitable result of the tunnel boring process. So its a bit annoying how people make such a big deal of it.

i laugh when people complain about the sinkholes. they're boring out a f*cking tunnel underneath a city, what does everyone expect, flawless execution?

[dharper]

I only rode on the Canada line once, and the thing I remember the most about it was how slow the train moved. Was that a one off thing, or does the Canada line that much slower than the Expo line?

[dleung]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

I must not agree with this. I actually like the rotem cars better than the skytrain cars myself, and I rode the Canada Line nearly everyday for about 2 years.

I prefer the Mark II trains, with the more intimate lighting, round light fixtures, and the way the royal blue upholstery compliments the yellow bars - sharing the same scheme as all the new buses and trolleys. All the elements work together to look quite cheerful yet modern.




The Canada line trains have this bare-bones quality (especially on the heavily-fingerprinted metal bars) and harsh unfocused fluorescent light that makes everyone appear sickly green. Here you can totally perceive the empty shell of the train and how they just filled it with generic mismatched parts.