The Metro Vancouver Retail Thread - Page 440

hollywoodnorth · #**8781** Posted **Apr 10, 2015, 7:41 AM**

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news...-5th-store-to-open-at-kanata-outlet-mall

I have to imagine we could see a Off 5th Ave out at Tsawwassen Mills perhaps? or maybe at phase 2 of McArthur Glen?

connect2source · #**8782** Posted **Apr 10, 2015, 1:09 PM**

Robert Thurlow, general manager of McArthurGlen Designer Outlet Vancouver discusses details of the outlet and the 600 positions to be filled at a job fair this weekend.

http://blogs.theprovince.com/2015/04/08/...r-outlet-not-your-typical-shopping-mall/

WarrenC12 · #**8783** Posted **Apr 10, 2015, 3:35 PM**

Speaking as a Yaletown resident that lives on top of Urban Fare, we don't go there regularly for big trips, but fresh fruit and bakery items are pretty good there. A lot of the packaged goods are either specialty items, or the same things you get elsewhere but far more expensive.

We get regular flyers from IGA, Urban Fare, Whole Foods, Save-on and sometimes No Frills.

We walk to Costco, Save-On and Whole Foods. Sometimes we go to No Frills but the quality of stuff there is pretty low in general.

Bottom line is we shop for value like anybody else, but I'm not sure what was implied by "dirty little secret" as we aren't piling into an SUV and hitting Superstore or other big box discount places in the burbs.

Vin · #**8784** Posted **Apr 10, 2015, 4:17 PM**

Not particularly proud of Yaeltown's retail scene. For such a good location with a sizeable population, a better shopping district could have been established around Yaletown station. At the moment, the variety is just not there.

I don't see many people lugging grocery from Costco or Save-on across Cambie bridge back to the Yaletown area, so I suspect many still use their vehicles for groceries. Residents living around the West End seem to shop more locally, which explains the vibrancy of Independent, Safeway and Shoppers there. In contrast, Yaletown markets are relatively quiet, although the area probably houses the same number of people as the West End.

Hopefully things improve when there are more choices at Vancouver House and Burrard Place, but these are not that close to the Yaletown central and skytrain for people from within as well as outside to access them conveniently and quickly.

quobobo · #**8785** Posted **Apr 10, 2015, 5:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

I don't see many people lugging grocery from Costco or Save-on across Cambie bridge back to the Yaletown area, so I suspect many still use their vehicles for groceries.

Canada Line, yo.

NewfBC · #**8786** Posted **Apr 10, 2015, 6:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

I don't see many people lugging grocery from Costco or Save-on across Cambie bridge back to the Yaletown area, so I suspect many still use their vehicles for groceries.

Why would people cross the Cambie bridge to bring items from Costco to Yaletown? You do know there's a Costco downtown next to Yaletown, don't you?

Ron.

Denscity · #**8787** Posted **Apr 10, 2015, 6:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by NewfBC

Why would people cross the Cambie bridge to bring items from Costco to Yaletown? You do know there's a Costco downtown next to Yaletown, don't you?

Ron.

I think he meant Costco, and Save-On from across the bridge.

Denscity.

WarrenC12 · #**8788** Posted **Apr 10, 2015, 6:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

Not particularly proud of Yaeltown's retail scene. For such a good location with a sizeable population, a better shopping district could have been established around Yaletown station. At the moment, the variety is just not there.

What does that even mean? What is missing from Yaletown, exactly? Just because it's not my first choice of a place to shop, you can still get everything you need. Everything from Shoppers Drug Mart to high end boutiques exist. I look at it as both a shopping destination with unique stores, and more recently has all the basic necessities (like Shoppers) due to the influx of people who call the area home.

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Originally Posted by Vin

I don't see many people lugging grocery from Costco or Save-on across Cambie bridge back to the Yaletown area, so I suspect many still use their vehicles for groceries. Residents living around the West End seem to shop more locally, which explains the vibrancy of Independent, Safeway and Shoppers there. In contrast, Yaletown markets are relatively quiet, although the area probably houses the same number of people as the West End.

Would you like me to take a picture next time I go to Costco? We visit it at least once a week, on foot.

Go to Urban Fare at any time of day. They've added more checkouts recently, they are constantly busy. Choices is also very busy. Two supermarkets within 2-3 blocks of each other, just like Safeway and No Frills in the west end.

You speak like somebody who never visits the area and only has a vague understanding. Yet you spout your nonsense like fact.

Vin · #**8789** Posted **Apr 10, 2015, 7:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

What does that even mean? What is missing from Yaletown, exactly? Just because it's not my first choice of a place to shop, you can still get everything you need. Everything from Shoppers Drug Mart to high end boutiques exist. I look at it as both a shopping destination with unique stores, and more recently has all the basic necessities (like Shoppers) due to the influx of people who call the area home.

Would you like me to take a picture next time I go to Costco? We visit it at least once a week, on foot.

Go to Urban Fare at any time of day. They've added more checkouts recently, they are constantly busy. Choices is also very busy. Two supermarkets within 2-3 blocks of each other, just like Safeway and No Frills in the west end.

You speak like somebody who never visits the area and only has a vague understanding. Yet you spout your nonsense like fact.

For such a big population catchment, these stores are not busy by any means. It has to do with their pricing. Wholefoods on Cambie is busy, T&T and Costco at the Stadium are busy, Independent on Davie is busy, but certainly not Yaletown's Choices or Urban Fare, considering the population. Who's the one spewing nonsense like fact?

WarrenC12 · #**8790** Posted **Apr 10, 2015, 7:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

For such a big population catchment, these stores are not busy by any means. It has to do with their pricing. Wholefoods on Cambie is busy, T&T and Costco at the Stadium are busy, Independent on Davie is busy, but certainly not Yaletown's Choices or Urban Fare, considering the population. Who's the one spewing nonsense like fact?

Do you have any statistics or revenue numbers to back up your claims?

Vin · #**8791** Posted **Apr 10, 2015, 7:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Do you have any statistics or revenue numbers to back up your claims?

And you do?

Vin · #**8792** Posted **Apr 10, 2015, 7:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by NewfBC

Why would people cross the Cambie bridge to bring items from Costco to Yaletown? You do know there's a Costco downtown next to Yaletown, don't you?

Ron.

I was referring to Save-on-foods, not downtown's Costco.

Vin · #**8793** Posted **Apr 10, 2015, 7:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by quobobo

Canada Line, yo.

You can't get off Canada Line, grab grocery or shop at, say, Vancouver House, then back on the train and go home quick. It's close but not close enough. It doesn't have the same convenience as, say, New Westminster Station, Broadway Station, Metrotown Station, Brentwood Station, or Oakridge Station, among many others. The only convenient one by Yaletown Station is Urban Fare, but it's considered a bit too high-end to attract the everyday shoppers.

WarrenC12 · #**8794** Posted **Apr 10, 2015, 7:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

And you do?

No but I live in the area and shop at Urban Fare regularly. My neighbour is a manager in the store. Like I said, they added additional check outs to handle increased demand. According to you it's a ghost town and they should be closing up shop.

IGA near Robson and Homer is dead. As is Urban Fare in Coal Harbour. Yaletown is their busiest location by far.

squeezied · #**8795** Posted **Apr 10, 2015, 7:33 PM**

Vin, my advice to you is to insert "I think" before all your opinions or "facts" and tone down on the drama.

Porfiry · #**8796** Posted **Apr 10, 2015, 8:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

In contrast, Yaletown markets are relatively quiet, although the area probably houses the same number of people as the West End.

Not even close. West End is around 45,000 people. The rest of downtown (Coal Harbour + Yaletown + Gastown + Chinatown + Granville) is around 55,000. In 2006 Yaletown itself was around 11,000. Even if it's doubled since then it's less than half of the West End.

quobobo · #**8797** Posted **Apr 10, 2015, 8:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

You can't get off Canada Line, grab grocery or shop at, say, Vancouver House, then back on the train and go home quick.

I've known a lot of people who do just that - Whole Foods, Save-On, and No Frills are just a short walk from Broadway/City Hall.

officedweller · #**8798** Posted **Apr 10, 2015, 9:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Bottom line is we shop for value like anybody else, but I'm not sure what was implied by "dirty little secret" as we aren't piling into an SUV and hitting Superstore or other big box discount places in the burbs.

Ah, that was for dramatic effect...
All I meant was that the "self-contained" neighbourhood, while looking good on paper to the planners, is somewhat of a myth in practice since people will shop at a variety of locations, many outside of their local neighbourhood.

WarrenC12 · #**8799** Posted **Apr 10, 2015, 9:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

Ah, that was for dramatic effect...
All I meant was that the "self-contained" neighbourhood, while looking good on paper to the planners, is somewhat of a myth in practice since people will shop at a variety of locations, many outside of their local neighbourhood.

Well, it's hard to make the economics of a grocery store work with downtown real estate. Costco is doing a great job though.

Retail-Insider · #**8800** Posted **Apr 11, 2015, 12:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by hollywoodnorth

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news...-5th-store-to-open-at-kanata-outlet-mall

I have to imagine we could see a Off 5th Ave out at Tsawwassen Mills perhaps? or maybe at phase 2 of McArthur Glen?

The lease plan I have for McArtherGlen's 2nd phase has only small CRU's, but that's possibly subject to change. No big boxes in phase one, though Polo Ralph Lauren will be 15,000 sq ft over two floors with an adjacent Polo Kids at 4,303 sq ft.