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Old Posted Apr 3, 2015, 10:06 PM
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Heres a question. Is there anyone on here that can edit Wikipedia pages? I'm not sure when it happened but someone recently changed part of Austin's climate section from humid subtropical to a transitional semi-arid region with a sorce from some Hong Kong site. It's completely wrong. Austin is most definitely classified Koppen Humid-Subtropical. You have to go at least 100 miles west before a transitional zone and between 125 to 150 miles before a reaching a true semi-arid climate. It was right until the last month and a half when last I checked. I've studied meteorology and climate so I was kinda pissed seeing that especially from a some foreign Chinese site done by someone that likely has no clue what our climate is like..
I wonder if SXSW had anything to do with it. Hong Kong is certainly more sub-tropical than Austin is.
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I wonder if SXSW had anything to do with it. Hong Kong is certainly more sub-tropical than Austin is.
I think the new climate zone sounds more accurate. But I haven't looked at the specifics of each climate type one to know which one is technically correct.
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Old Posted Apr 4, 2015, 12:33 AM
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I think the new climate zone sounds more accurate. But I haven't looked at the specifics of each climate type one to know which one is technically correct.
No we are indeed a humid sub-tropical zone. To be transitional semi-arid our yearly precipitation would need to be between 26 to 28 inches. Despite the long term hydrological drought (no longer in an agricultural drought), our yearly precipitation has actually risen from 32 to 34 inches. 30 inches is the lowest yearly rainfall to be considered humid sub-tropical.

Since the last Super El Niño back in 97/98 our longer term climate has been in what is known as a -PDO (negative Pacific Decadal Oscillation) where the east Pacific has generally below average surface water temps while the west Pacific has generally above average surface water temps. This is a longer term cycle that affects climate in 15 to 30 year intervals. So for the past 15 years we have been in a -PDO which favors below average yearly precipitation, above average temperatures shorter, weaker El Niños and more frequent La Niñas, the last of which was a multi-year La Niña that gave us the Summer of Hell in 2011 and dropped our lake levels. So for all of us who are from here and are 30 years old and above, we know from 2000 on our overall climate has not been the same as it was in the 80s and 90s.

Since last year there has been a shift from a -PDO to a +PDO now waters along the east Pacific all up and down the west coast of north, central and south America are above average with below average water in the west Pacific. Of course that means the opposite of what we have seen since the end of the 90s. A +PDO favors above average rainfall, below average temperatures less and weaker La Niñas and more frequent and stronger El Niños. Good news for us not just for the short term. It's still fairly early and it will be another year or so before it's confirmed but all signs point to a major shift back to a generally wetter long term cycle that would last between 15 years on the short side to 30 years on the long side.

Having said that, we are still learning about what effects climate change due to global warming has on the PDO cycle and indeed we are only just beginning to understand the PDO cycle and it's impact on global weather patterns. My specific interest is studying this cycle along with the ENSO and MJO because it is the Pacific that dictates our local climate and weather here in Austin and Central Texas moreso than the Gulf. The Gulf gives us low level moisture and a 3 to 4 month more prominent role during the summer months but the rest of the year the Pacific controls our weather with storm systems as well as mid to upper level moisture. I keep track of the latest research and updates. If you can get a good grasp of understanding the Pacific cycles then you have a pretty good idea of how the weather will be here 3 to 6 months out from now.

One last point to make. Even if we are entering into a +PDO cycle, that doesn't mean we won't get droughts but instead of droughts lasting years, they should only last just months. There will be extremes on both ends of the spectrum and with climate change these extremes will continue to get more erratic. In the mean time enjoy the rain and the greenery.
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Hong Kong is tropical and very hot. It's much more tropical than Austin on any level.

Regarding the bowl game, if it's a smaller game, I wonder if it would make sense to do it at a smaller stadium? Burger Stadium aside (I had to read the article after seeing that, haha!), there are a lot of quality - large - high school stadiums. I'm thinking specifically of The Palace (Round Rock ISD stadium off Parmer, just north of 45). While it's nothing to write home about from a college perspective, it seats north of 10,000, if I'm not mistaken, and there's nothing worse than a college football game with 10% of the seats filled (as it would be at DKR). Perhaps Texas State is another option at somewhere around 30,000. DKR is one of the largest stadiums in the country. It wouldn't make sense to hold a very minor bowl game there.
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I read a different article that mentioned it would be DKR.
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Yeah, I read that in the Austin Business Journal.

Austin trying to bring bowl game to UT stadium, report says
April 3, 2015


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According to the report, Sports Commission Executive Director Lance Aldridge said he wants to bring a game to Royal-Memorial Stadium on the University of Texas campus and is traveling to meet with the Football Bowl Association officials in Nashville. He also revealed he has met with with representatives from Fox's sports networks, and plans to meet with CBS officials next week.
I wonder what they'll call it?

The Lone Star Bowl?
The Breakfast Burrito Bowl?
The Weird Bowl?
The Toilet Bowl?
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I was thinking about what part of Downtown I'd like to see redeveloped most, and honestly what comes to mind is the cluster of four drive-through banks on 5th between Rio Grande and Nueces. I understand that the IBC Plaza is also a drive-through bank but it's got a lot more going on and it feels more vibrant while the Sovereign, ABC, CitiBank(?), and BB&T branches just feel like concrete wastelands, especially after 6pm. I'm pretty sure there's CVC restrictions on most, if not all of the sites but they're really pretty awful right now.
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It'd probably be something like "Live Music Capitol of the World Bowl", haha.
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This off topic thread is all over the place.
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I was thinking about what part of Downtown I'd like to see redeveloped most, and honestly what comes to mind is the cluster of four drive-through banks on 5th between Rio Grande and Nueces. I understand that the IBC Plaza is also a drive-through bank but it's got a lot more going on and it feels more vibrant while the Sovereign, ABC, CitiBank(?), and BB&T branches just feel like concrete wastelands, especially after 6pm. I'm pretty sure there's CVC restrictions on most, if not all of the sites but they're really pretty awful right now.
Redeveloped? You should have seen that corner about 5-10 years ago, before those buildings were built. Those projects were also some of our first private-sector Great Streets projects. At least all of the buildings address the corner and tuck the drive-throughs behind. And yes, all of those sites are limited by a Capitol View Corridor. You couldn't build much more than you see there today.

How dare you threaten or iconic Financial District! I'm going to start a preservation committee today, before this goes any further.
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All These Fancy Condos!

Anyone here in Real estate?

So my wife and I first lived together in the Milago and loved it. The location, the calm coolness of not being the tallest tower, etc. Currently we have two small kids and are living out of town to save up money for early retirement. When we retire in 5-10 years, getting in one of these new towers would be great.

Anyhow, this is just background to my main question. If one took a ratio of avg high-rise condo $/sqft, versus avg close-in SFH $/sqft, do you all think the ratio will be high immediately and taper off as we get 5-10 years out?

Some factors that cause me to think this could be the case:
  • Explosive growth today tapering off, but staying positive
  • "New car factor" of new condos wearing off
  • Better land use close-in, more options to choose from
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2015, 5:57 PM
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Redeveloped? You should have seen that corner about 5-10 years ago, before those buildings were built. Those projects were also some of our first private-sector Great Streets projects. At least all of the buildings address the corner and tuck the drive-throughs behind. And yes, all of those sites are limited by a Capitol View Corridor. You couldn't build much more than you see there today.

How dare you threaten or iconic Financial District! I'm going to start a preservation committee today, before this goes any further.
Honestly I can deal with the ABC and CitiBank buildings, but the Sovereign and especially the BB&T are just not good uses of the land.

Though I also wouldn't mind the cluster of surface parking lots on the eastern central part of downtown going as fast as possible.
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Picking up from the off topic posts about old Austin on the Library thread... the only things I truly miss but could feasible be revised are the drag boat racing on Town Lake and raft races during Aquafest. My welcome to Austin moment and how freaking cool is this city came in the early 80's when Outlaw Blues was filmed here and we had two buildings downtown worth noting, one tall brass one and one taller black one, and the unbelievably fun raft races. I'm not at all sentimental, so I got over the demise of the AWH and City Collossium, among other things, but I truly miss Aquafest and the raft race. Being from near NYC, I secretly wished Austin would grow into what its becoming today. After the frumpy, stumpy first boom, I never thought I'd see the days we are seeing now. Count me in as one of the old timers who would rather live in today's and future Austin, than past Austin.
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Hong Kong is tropical and very hot. It's much more tropical than Austin on any level.
That isn't the point. Hong Kong has nothing to do with the climate in Austin which is why I am curious as to why anyone would change the Wikipedia. It is a fact that we are in the Subtropical Humid Climate zone, just because it is not how it is in Hong Kong doesn't make it any less so. Hong Kong is specifically Cwa H-Subtropical. Austin is specifically Cfa H-Subtropical. The difference is Cwa has very dry winters with most of the yearly precipitation falling during the warmest months. Cfa has more of an evenly distribution with peaks in Spring and Atumn.
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That isn't the point. Hong Kong has nothing to do with the climate in Austin which is why I am curious as to why anyone would change the Wikipedia. It is a fact that we are in the Subtropical Humid Climate zone, just because it is not how it is in Hong Kong doesn't make it any less so. Hong Kong is specifically Cwa H-Subtropical. Austin is specifically Cfa H-Subtropical. The difference is Cwa has very dry winters with most of the yearly precipitation falling during the warmest months. Cfa has more of an evenly distribution with peaks in Spring and Atumn.
Change it back already!
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Change it back already!
Well I would like to. Do I just sign up on their site to be able to do that?
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Well I would like to. Do I just sign up on their site to be able to do that?
Yes, and you need to have a source to cite I believe.
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Citation 68, the Hong Kong Observatory, has a broken link. Should be pretty easy to get that changed.
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Here's the National Weather Service Austin/San Antonio office's summary of Austin's climate: http://www.srh.noaa.gov/images/ewx/c.../ausclisum.pdf
That should work as a source.
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Here's the National Weather Service Austin/San Antonio office's summary of Austin's climate: http://www.srh.noaa.gov/images/ewx/c.../ausclisum.pdf
That should work as a source.
Cool thanks. I saw that link going through different sites and thought that I could use that for citation.
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