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View Poll Results: Which of the designs would you like to see become the new Lansdowne 'Front Lawn'?
Option A: "One Park, Four Landscapes" 12 11.88%
Option B: "Win Place Show" 23 22.77%
Option C: "A Force of Nature" 14 13.86%
Option D: "All Roads Lead to Aberdeen" 16 15.84%
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2015, 3:39 AM
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Re: the tourist exemption, I don't know if Lansdowne would qualify if they attempted to apply for such. Under the legislation, a business has to be within 2 km of such, and ideally should gain most of the revenue from tourists.
Like Loblaws on Rideau.... most of the revenue from tourists ?????

Even "most of the revenue from tourists" is a pretty thin argument for the Byward Market this weekend.

It's this patchwork of exemptions that only will get tougher to defend.
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2015, 2:47 PM
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Whole Foods to close on Easter Sunday

Matthew Pearson, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: April 4, 2015, Last Updated: April 4, 2015 12:42 PM EDT


Whole Foods Market will be closed on Easter Sunday, two days after defying provincial law by opening for business on Good Friday.

The store was initially set to be open from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. but tweeted the following on Friday evening, after the store was closed.

“We believed to be part of designated tourist area. Team Members volunteer to work & received 2x wage today. We are closed Easter,” said a tweet posted to the Whole Foods Ottawa account.

Retail outlets that open on prohibited days — such as Good Friday — can be fined as much as $50,000 or the total amount of gross sales for the holiday, whichever is greater. Businesses face minimum fines of $500 for a first offence, $2,000 for a second offence and $5,000 for a third or subsequent offence.

There are some exceptions.

Retail outlets that can stay open include:
  • stores that sell handicrafts;
  • book or magazine stores that are less than 2,400 square feet with a maximum of three employees;
  • pharmacies that are less than 7,500 square feet in size;
  • nurseries, flower shops, gardening centres; and
  • gas stations.

Stores may also remain open in locations established as tourist areas by specific municipal bylaws, such as the ByWard Market.

Lansdowne Park is not a specified tourist area.

The Whole Foods outlet in Mississauga was also open on Good Friday, while stores in Oakville and Markham were closed. All three will be closed on Easter Sunday.

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I think dirtbags is a little harsh... yes, they broke the law and yes there should be repercussions... but if you saw how busy the place was yesterday, it doesn't appear the law as it stands has much popular support.

I'm personally glad there are "rebels" (like Uber) willing to take on the Status Quo... The remarkable passivity of the citizens of this province/city/country needs a kick in the pants sometimes
So people should only follow the laws they like? Or laws shouldn't apply to multinational corporations? Or if rich white people flaunt the law it is ok?

If they don't like the current law they can 1) lobby the provincial government to change the law (something big multinational corporations are good at) 2) lobby the city to designate a tourist area or 3) open a store in a tourist area.
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So people should only follow the laws they like? Or laws shouldn't apply to multinational corporations? Or if rich white people flaunt the law it is ok?

If they don't like the current law they can 1) lobby the provincial government to change the law (something big multinational corporations are good at) 2) lobby the city to designate a tourist area or 3) open a store in a tourist area.
I totally agree. There is a reason why we have holidays. I am tired of big corporations flaunting the law on the basis that their profits will be bigger than the pittance of a fine that will be assessed. Incidentally, even the Rideau Centre was closed today.

I should point out that this is what happened with Sunday closing laws back in the 80s. Again, it was big corporations that flaunted the law at the time. They won but there have been repercussions from that. Since then, most corner stores have closed. They depended on Sunday sales that were lost to the big corporations. The corner stores could never be price competitive but we re-enforced the car culture in the process as shopping a 5 minute walk away from home disappeared.
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Red face Lansdowne park cinemas

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After I came back from church, I ate at the new Teriyaki at Lansdowne because it was faster than the other restaurants. I had a spring roll and rice with chicken and sprouts. It was average, but not great. I was the only person there. I went to Lansdowne park cinemas to see Cinderella. There are 3 floors . Cinderella was shown on the regular screens, so now alcohol was served. The games, potopia and Yogo cafe are in the bottom floor. You go up the escalator to see a movie. Cinderella was played in Cinema 1. The popcorn, drinks, and candies are exactly the same as Silvercity because this movie theatre is owned by Cineplex. The seating is very comfortable. They showed the VIP cinemas on the screen and they off the people the meal and alcohol. I believe that one has to order it n the bar. I might go there again, if I want to see a movie on my own.

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This is all about big business? Really? How is a so called tourist area in Ottawa different than my local grocer? I guess I will be the capitalist supporting free enterprise for business on these forums. I don't think any business should be required to be open on statutory holidays but do think it should be their choice to do so or not.
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wait, lisa is peeved that a company not located in her riding has never met with her - despite her never being in government - about changing the law?
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This is all about big business? Really? How is a so called tourist area in Ottawa different than my local grocer? I guess I will be the capitalist supporting free enterprise for business on these forums. I don't think any business should be required to be open on statutory holidays but do think it should be their choice to do so or not.
Do you really want holidays to be like every other day?

You know, there is really no choice anymore. With razor thin margins, if your competitor opens, you have to as well.

Why don't we cancel all holidays if that is the preference of corporations? They do interfere with business.

Maybe we should start working 7 days a week if that is the wish of our employers. After all, isn't that free enterprise too?


Or do away with the minimum wage. In a way, we are already doing that, with unpaid internships. In our office, someone is doing a job and is not paid for it. A disturbing trend of unpaid work.

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I hope the provinces comes down hard on Whole Foods. All the revenue for that day needs to be taken as a fine.

It's an illegal publicity stunt that's anti-competitive, anti-labour, "we're here for the glebe" cause uppity upper middle class consumers don't like planning around the fact stores are closed, bs. They want the stores to be open all the time regardless of employees. I'm curious what would it be like to be a clerk told you need to come in today? Say No cause the action is legal? They're not unionized so could you be let go a couple weeks later cause of "performance issues"? No, you'll show up to an insanely busy store to stock for 8 hours straight on Good Friday cause you don't want to rock the boat.

Edit: oh 2x wages, yep- publicity stunt.
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Do you really want holidays to be like every other day?

You know, there is really no choice anymore. With razor thin margins, if your competitor opens, you have to as well.

Why don't we cancel all holidays if that is the preference of corporations? They do interfere with business.

Maybe we should start working 7 days a week if that is the wish of our employers. After all, isn't that free enterprise too?


Or do away with the minimum wage. In a way, we are already doing that, with unpaid internships. In our office, someone is doing a job and is not paid for it. A disturbing trend of unpaid work.
If you're not Christian, Easter is like any other day, as are most religious holidays. Labour Day? Victoria Day? Boxing Day? Usually they're like a regular day, except you can't get your shopping chores done because nothing is open (except Boxing Day).

I work at the Civic, and as an essential service we're open all the time. And people want to work holidays because it's time-and-a-half. So much so that the more seniority you have the more likely you are to get to work holidays. Holidays are just like any other day. But if you're not someone who does shift work, I guess you wouldn't understand that perspective.

It's ridiculous how enraged people are that Whole Foods or any other business would stay open. People have a day off to go shopping or to restaurants if they want. And the people serving them get compensated by being paid 50% more that day, which for those who haven't done shift-work or tried to make ends meet on barely more than minimum wage is great!

If you're so concerned about corporations trying to make as much of a profit as they can, then I believe your anger is misplaced. People choose to work holidays because they can't afford to get by. The cost of living is too much for most people to handle, and wages aren't keeping up. People can't afford groceries, rent, transportation, clothes, etc. But whose fault is that? Corporations? Nope! It's just a consequence of our capitalist system that affects just about everything that we do. And if you're so concerned about big corporations taking advantage of holidays, I hope you're opposed to Boxing Day. That's really just a holiday for greed as people go to stores to spend tonnes of money on discounted items. Same can be said for Christmas (unless you're into Midnight Mass and never exchange gifts) or Valentine's Day.

Also, your suggestion about working 7 days a week? Japan does, as do other countries. Lots of people used to do that in the past as well. In fact, many people still do that in Canada. I used to pick up shifts and worked 14 days in a row. But now the maximum I'm allowed to do is 6. Even still, I have to work most days of the week that the typical weekend is rather meaningless - though I enjoy working weekends. Saturday and Sunday as days-off is rather arbitrary (and perhaps a reflection of Christian society having at least Sunday to "rest").

Honestly, if a business wants to stay open, let them. Their employees get compensated for it, and those who aren't earning much to begin with are happy to be given those shifts. They may also be providing a service that others can appreciate. Whether it's Museums (people have to work to keep those open), movie theatres, bars and restaurants, hotels, etc. people still have to work to keep things available for those fortunate enough to get those holidays off (office works and administrative staff). Personally, working holidays and weekends are usually more enjoyable to work anyway.

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I agree because legally speaking grocery shops are supposed to be closed on Good Friday. Shops are supposed to close at Christmas, Canada day, Queen Victoria Day, and also Labour day. Maybe some employees definitely need the money, so,sometimes; they feel that they have to work on a holiday.

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I'm very happy to see stores with the resources to do so challenge unfair bylaws. This has nothing to do with holidays specifically, it's all about the fact that stores in a select part of the city are allowed an exemption from a bylaw when all the other ones are not. That's blatantly unfair and should be overturned. Why should the Rideau Street Metro be allowed to have a monopoly on grocery shopping 10 times a year?

On top of that, there are plenty of people in the city who don't observe the statutory Christian holidays and/or would be more than happy to work. As long as employees aren't forced to work, I'm all for opening up shopping at all times.
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In note, in Quebec, many grocery stores and several other businesses are open on some of the statutory holidays though they do have a limit on the number of cash registers to be opened on those (they are opened on Good Friday, Victoria Day, Canada Day and Thanksgiving as well as Boxing Day after 1 PM)
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I'm very happy to see stores with the resources to do so challenge unfair bylaws. This has nothing to do with holidays specifically, it's all about the fact that stores in a select part of the city are allowed an exemption from a bylaw when all the other ones are not. That's blatantly unfair and should be overturned. Why should the Rideau Street Metro be allowed to have a monopoly on grocery shopping 10 times a year?

On top of that, there are plenty of people in the city who don't observe the statutory Christian holidays and/or would be more than happy to work. As long as employees aren't forced to work, I'm all for opening up shopping at all times.
I will concede that it may not be fair to other businesses that some get to stay open, but that can be remedied by allowing them all to choose to be open or not. Being closed on holidays and weekends isn't really necessary for anyone not working in an office, and we need to have fun things to do on those days off anyway. I find it silly that there would be an actual law preventing businesses/ employers from staying open on holidays.
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I'm very happy to see stores with the resources to do so challenge unfair bylaws. This has nothing to do with holidays specifically, it's all about the fact that stores in a select part of the city are allowed an exemption from a bylaw when all the other ones are not. That's blatantly unfair and should be overturned. Why should the Rideau Street Metro be allowed to have a monopoly on grocery shopping 10 times a year?
Exactly. I'll bet that store was full, and I'll bet you could count the "tourists" on one hand.... yet I don't see anyone protesting in the streets to give the workers a break.
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Personally I think good Friday is a poor choice for a holiday. It is not a holiday in the US or Quebec (or or many other traditionally-Christian countries) and the complicated way it is calculated causes a lot of confusion.

BUT, there is a huge difference between trying to get a law changed and breaking it (while making huge profits). The former is an important part of a democratic society, the latter is not.
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Well, in general I fully respect the rule of the law, and the principals of a democratic society... but is this not that system at work ??

The law has a fine... that fine is $xx. Whole foods want stores open... now they could spend $xx and countless years on political lobbyists... or they could spend $xx on a fine... stimulating public discussion and forcing people to ask and answer "is there anything really wrong with this?"

Absolutely nobody was harmed (well unless the theory of coerced employees is true... and there certainly seem two sides to that discussion).

If the fine was say.. $10M, then maybe the lobbyists might have more work... come to think of it, maybe the lobbyists should spend some time lobbying for bigger fines
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Laws take the longest to be changed/updated, when compared to economic and technological trends (see Uber). The good friday law seems really weird to me. Why can Tims be open, but Loblaws can't?
Its the same deal as AirBnB or Uber are going through, the fact that our legal system will not change unless someone with money - a corporation - is able to do something about it.
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Instead of going after Whole Foods, we should be going after that stupid law. I agree that retail workers are entitled to holidays, but there's no problem if someone voluntarily chooses to come into work on a holiday, as long as they get paid overtime.
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Going to space is cheaper than Sporting Life. I've only been in there once but I was not at all surprised to hear about the cost of the socks you bought.
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