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Old Posted Apr 5, 2015, 6:32 AM
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70 Rainey (west facing) > Independent (south facing) > Independent (any other face) > 70 Rainey (any other face)
Very true, and a unique way of putting it.
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2015, 11:59 AM
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I guess it just depends on how credible the person who posted the 694 ft height projection is. They haven't defended it to this point so maybe it was their own speculation after all. Would be shocked if they charged 3,000,000+ for a unit with only 10 ft ceilings.
My information comes directly from the architect and developer. The project is still in design development, so it could change, but this is the current intention.
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2015, 12:35 PM
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My information comes directly from the architect and developer. The project is still in design development, so it could change, but this is the current intention.
I talked to the the realtor and they say the building will be slightly taller than the Austronian and it will be 58 floors. So, H2O's numbers are spot on in my opinion.
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2015, 2:10 PM
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And the great thing is that if you want to make it bigger you just add another block to the top!

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Honestly thought it would flirt with 800' after looking at the massing.
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2015, 2:15 PM
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My information comes directly from the architect and developer. The project is still in design development, so it could change, but this is the current intention.
Okay. Thank you for the information. I guess I was just surprised about the 10 ft ceilings. Hopefully that is something they reconsider in the design phase.
Maybe if presales are strong enough, they'll add additional units.
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2015, 6:55 PM
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My information comes directly from the architect and developer. The project is still in design development, so it could change, but this is the current intention.
Well, it's definitely believable info. I'm just surprised... and saddened.
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2015, 7:19 PM
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If one want's to make a statement and be "Independent" in the Austin skyline, why are you building a structure roughly the same height as the next best thing? Make a stand! Be "Independent!" Hell, I'd rather live in the Austonian and be on Congress than tucked away on a dark corner of 3rd Street at the Independent (with no direct road access to downtown).

Man this is disappointing if true. I was really hoping for a 750+ footer. That would have made a real statement and could truly be proclaimed "Independent" in the Austin skyline. At the same height as the Austonian...there is nothing new (no matter what the design).
I find most of this to be irrational, except to the extent that one is obsessed with tall buildings out of a particular fetish such as many of us have on this forum. But we're oddballs. Everyone freaking out that the Independent won't be much taller than the Austonian is just goofy and points to a fixation on a single dimension. Most people don't care. It isn't going to affect sales, and it won't detract from the striking appearance of the Independent's probable design. We've all been gleeful over the Proper because of its design, while giving its height a pass.

Austin doesn't need to be Manhattan or even Los Angeles in order to be a vibrant, world-class city with a beautiful skyline.

Also, regarding this: "I'd rather live in the Austonian and be on Congress than tucked away on a dark corner of 3rd Street at the Independent (with no direct road access to downtown)." -- OK, maybe some people feel that way, but I've been thinking all along that I'd much rather be tucked away on a bend in the creek with trails and a walk/bike bridge connecting me to downtown, than to be on Congress or any other location in downtown. That location is primo, and NOT having a 3rd Street auto bridge is a bonus! I would bet money on this if I had the ability to do so. What, you need to drive 3 blocks to downtown, then find a parking space that's 3 blocks from your destination? I don't get the logic here. There is absolutely no reason to connect 3rd. If you're driving, the extra 2 blocks you have to drive to get to the 2nd, Cesar Chavez, or 5th Street bridges is hardly what I'd call a deal-breaker. People in the suburbs pay extra to be on a cul de sac that makes them have to drive further to get anywhere at all.

The appeal of the Independent's location is that it's a quick walk to Google's future offices, the 2nd Street retail district, the library, many restaurants and bars, Trader Joe's and Whole Foods, and it's got great connectivity via the Shoal Creek trail to Town Lake and elsewhere. It's the premiere parcel downtown and they're putting a premiere building on it. We should be celebrating, not wringing our hands like little boys who are angry that their mountain of birthday presents isn't big enough.
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Most people don't care. It isn't going to affect sales, and it won't detract from the striking appearance of the Independent's probable design. We've all been gleeful over the Proper because of its design, while giving its height a pass.
Ceiling height does affect sales, tho, which also affects building height. Top unit vantage point / view affects sales as well. These things are more interrelated than you're giving them credit for.
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I find most of this to be irrational, except to the extent that one is obsessed with tall buildings out of a particular fetish
They're size queens and unfortunately the "erection" of this tower won't be large enough to "satisfy" many of them.
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They're size queens and unfortunately the "erection" of this tower won't be large enough to "satisfy" many of them.
I'm really looking forward to this tower being erected no matter if it's 699' or 701' tall.
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Even if it does turn out to be 694ft. it will give the skyline balance. Plus the tower will feel alot like a 700 footer than a 600 one. Also at that height you can't tell 6 ft off anyways.
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Even if it does turn out to be 694ft. it will give the skyline balance. Plus the tower will feel alot like a 700 footer than a 600 one. Also at that height you can't tell 6 ft off anyways.
It's a psychological barrier.
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It's a psychological barrier.
For some it is.
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Old Posted Apr 6, 2015, 1:17 AM
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[QUOTE=Hill Country;6978322]The 9th Floor amenities deck:

https://www.facebook.com/independentaustin/posts/1571256653154911


Regardless of the height, I'm really excited for this one. It's still essentially a 700 footer. While I wanted to tower to be closer to the 750 ft mark, I was just more concerned with the 10 ft ceiling heights. I think 12 ft is the "luxury" norm now, and should be a given at the prices they're charging. It really does make a difference, and living that high up can make people feel cramped. 12 ft ceilings really open everything up.

They seem to be releasing little hints of this building now. Exterior Renderings any day I bet!
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I would expect the renderings be released any day now to coincide with the opening of their sales center. Most, if not all, condo projects have detailed renderings prior to the sales process.
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Old Posted Apr 6, 2015, 2:12 AM
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I'm surprised by what looks like only four elevators servicing a building with 58 levels.
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They seem to be releasing little hints of this building now.
Well, considering it's being designed by Rhode Partners, maybe we got a BIG hint several years ago.

Anyone remember the rendering for 7 Rio when it was 32 stories and all condo - before it got shortened and turned into apartments?



7 Rio was also designed by Rhode Partners. I'm starting to wonder if the Independent is a 58 story version of that.

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Yeah I remember how disappointed I was when this one didn't get built. It does appear that their design team is comfortable staying within the 'box'.
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Well, considering it's being designed by Rhodes Partners, maybe we got a BIG hint several years ago.

Anyone remember the rendering for 7 Rio when it was 32 stories and all condo - before it got shortened and turned into apartments?



7 Rio was also designed by Rhodes Partners. I'm starting to wonder if the Independent is a 58 story version of that.
Oh. My. God. If it is like that I would shit my pants. That's in my top two unrealized projects.
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