Millennium Line - Evergreen Extension | Completed

[GeeCee]

Not sure if this has been posted but I found this:

http://www.p3canada.ca/en/about-p3s/project-map/lincoln-station-project/

Mentions a potential future second station house/access.. perhaps something subject to mall integration?

[queetz@home]

Originally Posted by GeeCee

Not sure if this has been posted but I found this:

http://www.p3canada.ca/en/about-p3s/project-map/lincoln-station-project/

Mentions a potential future second station house/access.. perhaps something subject to mall integration?

Just curious how Coquitlam Centre Mall can even justify expanding, at its current form, all the way to the Lincoln Station for integrating purposes after loosing not one, but two large tenants (Target and Future Shop). I know the stores are on the other side but I think the owners should use this opportunity to start rebuilding the mall and perhaps add office components here and there. Movie theatres also help...it did with Metrotown and even that New West commercial centre....

[GeeCee]

Originally Posted by queetz@home

Just curious how Coquitlam Centre Mall can even justify expanding, at its current form, all the way to the Lincoln Station for integrating purposes after loosing not one, but two large tenants (Target and Future Shop). I know the stores are on the other side but I think the owners should use this opportunity to start rebuilding the mall and perhaps add office components here and there. Movie theatres also help...it did with Metrotown and even that New West commercial centre....

Neither one was closing at the time that the contract would have been signed but I imagine they will be redeveloping the property in a few decades. It could be something as simple as a provision for a future passerelle like Metrotown.

[queetz@home]

Originally Posted by GeeCee

Neither one was closing at the time that the contract would have been signed but I imagine they will be redeveloping the property in a few decades. It could be something as simple as a provision for a future passerelle like Metrotown.

I guess so. Even Brentwood took over a decade to change despite the presence of the Millenium Line...

[Tetsuo]

Originally Posted by queetz@home

Just curious how Coquitlam Centre Mall can even justify expanding, at its current form, all the way to the Lincoln Station for integrating purposes after loosing not one, but two large tenants (Target and Future Shop). I know the stores are on the other side but I think the owners should use this opportunity to start rebuilding the mall and perhaps add office components here and there. Movie theatres also help...it did with Metrotown and even that New West commercial centre....

With Silvercity's massive Schoolhouse complex I doubt they would add a movie theatre to Coquitlam Centre.

I remember Pinetree used to have a small theatre and so did Barnet down the road, they closed up shop not long after the Silvercity opened up

[TransitJack]

Originally Posted by Tetsuo

With Silvercity's massive Schoolhouse complex I doubt they would add a movie theatre to Coquitlam Centre.

I remember Pinetree used to have a small theatre and so did Barnet down the road, they closed up shop not long after the Silvercity opened up

Yup, then they tore down the old Cineplex next to the Save on Foods.

The Famous Players on Barnet was a cheap house run by FP for a while I recall.

[Kwik-E-Mart]

Regarding developments around SkyTrain stations, the major difference between the current Millennium Line and the Evergreen Extension is the lack of high-rises along most stations along the former - save for Lougheed Town Centre. We have definitely learned from it, and that's why we are seeing high rises blossoming along Burquitlam, Inlet Centre, and the Lincoln-Lafarge Lake corridor before the Evergreen Extension is built.

The parking spots @ Coquitlam Centre will be gradually redeveloped over the next decade or so, just like the many of you have mentioned.

An add on: The importance of a one-seat ride to Vancouver was the crucial factor in the decision to adopt SkyTrain over LRT. Otherwise, riders at Lougheed would've mostly headed to Vancouver via the Expo Line along Braid-Sapperton because they save a second transfer at Commercial-Broadway. I don't need to explain more about putting additional strain to the already-crowded Expo Line.

With the completion of the Evergreen Extension, travelers to Downtown Vancouver/UBC/Central Broadway only need to transfer once - at Commercial-Broadway. I am sure there will be a lot more people taking the Millennium Line given the benefits. That's why I am more optimistic about the ridership figures once the train starts rolling from Lafarge Lake-Douglas.

A one-transfer SkyTrain ride from Coquitlam Centre to YVR will become reality with the Broadway Subway to Vancouver City Hall - something I really look forward to.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by queetz@home

I guess so. Even Brentwood took over a decade to change despite the presence of the Millenium Line...

I think that was the result of a change in ownership from 20 Vic Management to Shape Properties.
Coquitlam Centre is owned by Morguard.

Originally Posted by Kwik-E-Mart

Regarding developments around SkyTrain stations, the major difference between the current Millennium Line and the Evergreen Extension is the lack of high-rises along most stations along the former - save for Lougheed Town Centre. We have definitely learned from it, and that's why we are seeing high rises blossoming along Burquitlam, Inlet Centre, and the Lincoln-Lafarge Lake corridor before the Evergreen Extension is built.

That's also the result of zoning.
In Vancouver Renfrew and Rupert are in light industrial areas - so office parks are the preferred use.
Same for Lake City and Production Way in Burnaby.

[queetz@home]

Originally Posted by Tetsuo

With Silvercity's massive Schoolhouse complex I doubt they would add a movie theatre to Coquitlam Centre.

I remember Pinetree used to have a small theatre and so did Barnet down the road, they closed up shop not long after the Silvercity opened up

The thing is with the Evergreen Line, won't Coquitlam Centre be a better choice to put the movie theatres? Going to Schoolhouse can be a nitemare often times since its so hard to get parking if there are lots of hit movies being shown.

[SOSS]

Originally Posted by queetz@home

The thing is with the Evergreen Line, won't Coquitlam Centre be a better choice to put the movie theatres? Going to Schoolhouse can be a nitemare often times since its so hard to get parking if there are lots of hit movies being shown.

I agree this would be a good location for a theatre. Wouldn't Future Shop location get rebranded as Best Buy since its a better location than the existing Best Buy? Also, since Target borders a hallway the entire length of its section of the mall, I wouldn't be surprised if the mall gets redeveloped to have multiple tenants in that location instead of a single anchor tenant.

[GeeCee]

Originally Posted by SOSS

I agree this would be a good location for a theatre. Wouldn't Future Shop location get rebranded as Best Buy since its a better location than the existing Best Buy? Also, since Target borders a hallway the entire length of its section of the mall, I wouldn't be surprised if the mall gets redeveloped to have multiple tenants in that location instead of a single anchor tenant.

That Future Shop always seemed fairly empty.. the nearby Best Buy might not be in the mall but it has the advantage of the building being visible from Lincoln Station. Cross to the opposite corner of the sidewalk and you're in the parking lot. There's no easy pedestrian access to where Future Shop was, at least not until they build a pedestrian overpass from Coquitlam Station.

[SpongeG]

Evergreen Line Rapid Transit Project
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Along the left wall of the tunnel are power cables, grout feeder pipelines and a walkway for work crews.


Evergreen Line Rapid Transit Project
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This shot looking back at the start of the bored tunnel shows the spoils handling conveyer belt and the fresh air intake tube along the top of the tunnel.

[CanSpice]

I'm trying to figure out if the Evergreen Line will make it quicker for me to get to Coquitlam Station than I currently can from the middle of New Westminster. Suppose I'm leaving from Braid Station. Currently I can take the 169, which goes straight up Lougheed, and it takes roughly 20 minutes (as long as it's not the route that goes through Riverview Hospital, that adds another five minutes). With the Evergreen Line, I'd have to catch a SkyTrain to Lougheed (3 minutes), transfer to an Evergreen Line, then take the SkyTrain to Coquitlam Station (15 minutes).

It looks like it's a wash, assuming the transfer at Lougheed takes two minutes. And I guess the SkyTrain is more reliable, with fewer delays than the bus because of traffic or accidents on Lougheed...

[queetz@home]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

I'm trying to figure out if the Evergreen Line will make it quicker for me to get to Coquitlam Station than I currently can from the middle of New Westminster. Suppose I'm leaving from Braid Station. Currently I can take the 169, which goes straight up Lougheed, and it takes roughly 20 minutes (as long as it's not the route that goes through Riverview Hospital, that adds another five minutes). With the Evergreen Line, I'd have to catch a SkyTrain to Lougheed (3 minutes), transfer to an Evergreen Line, then take the SkyTrain to Coquitlam Station (15 minutes).

It looks like it's a wash, assuming the transfer at Lougheed takes two minutes. And I guess the SkyTrain is more reliable, with fewer delays than the bus because of traffic or accidents on Lougheed...

This is the difference between someone who looks at a map with schedules and says Translink is efficient vs someone who actually uses the system and experiences the inefficiency themselves. Believe me, it will NOT take you 20 minutes to use the 169. The Brunette bottleneck is pretty much a permanent barrier of the 169 route due to the way its designed and the amount of vehicular traffic that needs to use it.

In order for the 169 to make its 20 minute schedule, it will need to somehow pass through all the stop lights starting from Brunette to Braid, and that stretch alone has what? Four? Then there shouldn't be any slow vehicles (i.e. trucks with trailers) around, which is next to impossible given the major industrial hub in the area. Evergreen Line from the point of view of the user, will always be faster than the 169 in all but the most extreme circumstances (only if Skytrain breaks down will it be slower).

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by queetz@home

This is the difference between someone who looks at a map with schedules and says Translink is efficient vs someone who actually uses the system and experiences the inefficiency themselves. Believe me, it will NOT take you 20 minutes to use the 169. The Brunette bottleneck is pretty much a permanent barrier of the 169 route due to the way its designed and the amount of vehicular traffic that needs to use it.

The other big problem that people who plan by timetable often miss is frequency. With Skytrain frequencies you can usually figure on an average wait time of only a couple of minutes. I see that the 169 bus only runs every 15 minutes, so on average you can expect to wait 7 or 8 minutes for the bus - a penalty of about 5 minutes or more before you even get to the point of comparing the travel times.

[nname]

I used to take 169 daily, and the trip can take anywhere from 10 to 25 minutes on a normal day. This was before the PMH1 construction, which resulted in a permanent 2-3 min added to the route.

However, the longest trip I had on the 169 is about 1 hour wait plus 2.5 hours on the bus. Even the worse SkyTrain breakdown is nowhere as bad as this.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by queetz@home

This is the difference between someone who looks at a map with schedules and says Translink is efficient vs someone who actually uses the system and experiences the inefficiency themselves. Believe me, it will NOT take you 20 minutes to use the 169. The Brunette bottleneck is pretty much a permanent barrier of the 169 route due to the way its designed and the amount of vehicular traffic that needs to use it.

In order for the 169 to make its 20 minute schedule, it will need to somehow pass through all the stop lights starting from Brunette to Braid, and that stretch alone has what? Four? Then there shouldn't be any slow vehicles (i.e. trucks with trailers) around, which is next to impossible given the major industrial hub in the area. Evergreen Line from the point of view of the user, will always be faster than the 169 in all but the most extreme circumstances (only if Skytrain breaks down will it be slower).

The last time I took the 169 from Braid to Coquitlam was Monday, March 23. It took 19 minutes. Here's my tracking map of the trip. That was during the morning rush, leaving Braid at 8:34.

So please, tell me again how I only looked at the schedules and maps and don't use the system, and how it won't take 20 minutes to use the 169?

[Tfreder]

Good point regarding the difference in speed between the 169 and the Evergreen Line. From what I remember, to address this issue Translink is planning to add more stops along Lougheed for the 169. Unfortunately I can't manage to track down the original source right now, but this news article mentions Translink wanting to increase the number of stops. However, I have no idea how much time this will add to the trip.

So the Evergreen line will most likely be the fastest way to get to Coquitlam Station.

[Kwik-E-Mart]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

The last time I took the 169 from Braid to Coquitlam was Monday, March 23. It took 19 minutes. Here's my tracking map of the trip. That was during the morning rush, leaving Braid at 8:34.

So please, tell me again how I only looked at the schedules and maps and don't use the system, and how it won't take 20 minutes to use the 169?

Isn't that traveling in reverse of the morning rush hour traffic, which is from east to west instead of the other way around? Of course your trip would be faster.

Also, the main point of the Evergreen Extension is for faster travel to Vancouver (not just Downtown).

[GlassCity]

Originally Posted by Tfreder

Good point regarding the difference in speed between the 169 and the Evergreen Line. From what I remember, to address this issue Translink is planning to add more stops along Lougheed for the 169. Unfortunately I can't manage to track down the original source right now, but this news article mentions Translink wanting to increase the number of stops. However, I have no idea how much time this will add to the trip.

So the Evergreen line will most likely be the fastest way to get to Coquitlam Station.

They will in fact be adding stops on the 169, here's the source: