New Downtown Calgary Arena - Page 114

bt04ku · #**2261** Posted **Apr 2, 2015, 1:00 PM**

DizzyEdge · #**2262** Posted **Apr 2, 2015, 1:04 PM**

damn, beat me by 7 minutes

WaitWhat? · #**2263** Posted **Apr 2, 2015, 2:23 PM**

If the flames throw in a fieldhouse and agree to pay for reclamation on the creosote site, there will be significant public benefit paid for by the flames. The city gives up the land and agrees to realign the roads.

Win, win, win.

Let's get this done.

craner · #**2264** Posted **Apr 2, 2015, 2:31 PM**

Yep - first baby step taken, now for the public unvieling, hopefully sooner than later.
Hard to contain my excitment though.

Govertical · #**2265** Posted **Apr 2, 2015, 2:40 PM**

Finally!!!!!
But to me it seems like a LOT to condense onto a tight site! the only thing I dread is more garbage in the river because of it..

craner · #**2266** Posted **Apr 2, 2015, 3:00 PM**

With the stadium and arena in West Village it would be nice to have some NW & South trains running from Sunalta station on event days. Don't know how they would stage them however ?
Would be great if the Crowchild / Bow Tr. cluster can be fixed as part of this too.

Surrealplaces · #**2267** Posted **Apr 2, 2015, 3:01 PM**

Now that City Hall has seen the proposal, we should see something shortly. I'm not surprised it's the West Village, not my first choice, but I think it's a decent spot. Lot's of potential there.

Great potential to do something like they did in Ottawa or San Diego, by working in some residential development around it.

CalgaryAlex · #**2268** Posted **Apr 2, 2015, 3:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Surrealplaces

Now that City Hall has seen the proposal, we should see something shortly. I'm not surprised it's the West Village, not my first choice, but I think it's a decent spot. Lot's of potential there.

Great potential to do something like they did in Ottawa or San Diego, by working in some residential development around it.

I really hope there is a mix of residential and commercial in the plans. If they are going to redevelop that area of downtown, might as well try and make it an activity center for more than event nights.

The fieldhouse should add some activity in the area most days, but with people working and living in the area, it would be a bustling part of downtown instead of what the area around the Saddledome looks like right now when there isn't an event happening.

craner · #**2269** Posted **Apr 2, 2015, 3:11 PM**

^^That's what I'm hoping as well Surreal.
I think there is definitly a market for people who would want to live close to this sort of thing.
Maybe we'll finally get a new DT hotel too! On that note, I heard the International Hotel tower #2 proposal is dead, owners are looking in a different direction for that property (sorry for the off topic).

Fuzz · #**2270** Posted **Apr 2, 2015, 3:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by craner

With the stadium and arena in West Village it would be nice to have some NW & South trains running from Sunalta station on event days. Don't know how they would stage them however ?
Would be great if the Crowchild / Bow Tr. cluster can be fixed as part of this too.

It'd be nice if CT had maybe a $1 ticket to go from anywhere on the free fare zone to Sunalta as well.

Luk_o · #**2271** Posted **Apr 2, 2015, 3:42 PM**

Mikey's is about to get a hell of alot busier.

MalcolmTucker · #**2272** Posted **Apr 2, 2015, 3:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by Fuzz

It'd be nice if CT had maybe a $1 ticket to go from anywhere on the free fare zone to Sunalta as well.

Free fare zone expansion tickets included in event tickets maybe.

tomthumb2 · #**2273** Posted **Apr 2, 2015, 4:13 PM**

If the field house is combined with the stadium I sure hope they make it so the stands slide over the track. That's one of the complaints about Commonwealth - the track (which is now covered) requires extra room meaning fans are that much further from the action.

Another thing he didn't mention in the article but widely rumored is a fixed roof. If field house is going to be used year round this might be valid. Some people will be pissed about that but I'm ok with it. Not gonna satisfy everyone. Lets just get it done!

And show us the damn plans already!

Surrealplaces · #**2274** Posted **Apr 2, 2015, 4:19 PM**

I'm also glad to see the city work is working with them on this. I'm not too concerned with the city being involved with a land swap. I know some people will complain about that if indeed this is the case, but IMO it's a decent tradeoff for getting a new stadium and arena, and a potential catalyst for development of a new area.

MalcolmTucker · #**2275** Posted **Apr 2, 2015, 4:24 PM**

I'm fine with land swap plus whatever the value of the current yearly subsidy is for tax abatement, and infrastructure that was going to be moved around anyways.

Riise · #**2276** Posted **Apr 2, 2015, 5:16 PM**

The more details that King shares, the more important seeing a design becomes. Getting just one of an arena, field house or stadium done well is hard enough, all three in one will truly be a mega-project.

suburbia · #**2277** Posted **Apr 2, 2015, 6:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by WaitWhat?

If the flames throw in a fieldhouse and agree to pay for reclamation on the creosote site, there will be significant public benefit paid for by the flames. The city gives up the land and agrees to realign the roads.

Win, win, win.

Let's get this done.

You're saying win, win, win, but before we jump real fast, what is the value of all that land. Couple hundred million?

Also, who pays for all the infrastructure costs that will be required? Major roadways will need to be moved! I think they are not highlighting this in advance of the reveal to get public on board and excited.

Fuzz · #**2278** Posted **Apr 2, 2015, 6:36 PM**

The major roadways need to be moved anyway if the West Village plan goes ahead, so I think that one is a wash. Value of land though, absolutely. I hope we don't give it away without special taxes to recoup the value over years.

MalcolmTucker · #**2279** Posted **Apr 2, 2015, 6:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by Fuzz

The major roadways need to be moved anyway if the West Village plan goes ahead, so I think that one is a wash. Value of land though, absolutely. I hope we don't give it away without special taxes to recoup the value over years.

I imagine it will just be a long term land lease.

Riise · #**2280** Posted **Apr 2, 2015, 7:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by WaitWhat?

If the flames throw in a fieldhouse and agree to pay for reclamation on the creosote site, there will be significant public benefit paid for by the flames. The city gives up the land and agrees to realign the roads.

Win, win, win.

Let's get this done.

I have to agree, to an extent, with Suburbia. If their development has an impact on local infrastructure, shouldn't they be assessed an Impact Fee to cover the extent of their impact? Further to this point, the reclamation of the land is a bit of a wash because their development will probably occupy most of the land no?

The Field House would be the only public contribution and would its value exceed the value of the land plus future property tax that could be collected from alternative forms of development that would provide similar public benefits?