Stadiums and Arenas of Canada - Page 540

esquire · #**10781** Posted **Mar 26, 2015, 4:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by Oilkountry

I would have to imagine the raps could stand on their own feet for the next half a decade. The "we the north" Campaign has really been successful. Toronto has really got behind them the last few years

Yeah, fair enough. They're getting there, although obviously the winning helps sell tickets. I don't think the fanbase is built to weather the storms that might come up in the future, at least not yet.

VANRIDERFAN · #**10782** Posted **Mar 26, 2015, 4:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by Oilkountry

The CFL has potential to grow as well guys it's not like the league has tapped itself out. I tip my hat to Cohan. He did an outstanding job as commissar. However they now need to work on targeting the younger crowd. The CFL is way to focused on the traditions of the League. And TSN needs to up the game as well. Better camera angles and better presentation. If I had it my way I would Americanize the — out of the CFL. As much as I hate to say it younger Canadians (and Americans) would instantly pay more attention. In the end the CFL continues to grow at a really fast pace in this country. And you can attribute that to new new stadiums,TV deal and the REDBLACKS

No because then it would be a true minor feeder league to the NFL. Why not the NFL Canadianise the — out of their game? Why the hell do we ALWAYS have to bow down to the US Behemoth!

esquire · #**10783** Posted **Mar 26, 2015, 4:52 PM**

We're veering into sports culture stuff here, but what the hell:

What can you really do to "Americanize" the CFL? US expansion was a bust, so that's out... you can get rid of player quotas but all that will do is hurt football development in Canada and have no effect whatsoever on US fan interest.

Horus · #**10784** Posted **Mar 26, 2015, 5:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by The_Architect

(cough)

I didn't forget the Rock - I love the NLL! Good times at Rock games.
Both the Rock and Argos have 2 titles since 2004

Prometheus · #**10785** Posted **Mar 26, 2015, 5:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by osmo

There is potential for growth with TFC way beyond what the CFL can attain.

As well as what the NHL, NFL, NBA and MLB can attain. When you are on the very bottom rung of the sports ladder, then by definition your potential for growth is necessarily the highest of all your competitors.

From the Angus Reid Institute (Canada's leading social science firm):

Source: http://angusreid.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/CFL-Grey-Cup-2014.pdf

cjones2451 · #**10786** Posted **Mar 26, 2015, 5:24 PM**

I think he was referring to TV and the way it is presented...Oil can you clarify?

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Originally Posted by VANRIDERFAN

No because then it would be a true minor feeder league to the NFL. Why not the NFL Canadianise the — out of their game? Why the hell do we ALWAYS have to bow down to the US Behemoth!

Oilkountry · #**10787** Posted **Mar 26, 2015, 5:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by cjones2451

I think he was referring to TV and the way it is presented...Oil can you clarify?

Yes absolutely. I theirs a possibility that they can bend the rules on meeting the Canadian player quotas It's a great thing for Canadian football players however I really don't think a Majority of Canadians care all that much. Its basically the CRTC of the football world.

But to clarify I'm talking about the way it's represented on TV and also the entire image of the CFL is very dated.

Acajack · #**10788** Posted **Mar 26, 2015, 5:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by VANRIDERFAN

No because then it would be a true minor feeder league to the NFL. Why not the NFL Canadianise the — out of their game? Why the hell do we ALWAYS have to bow down to the US Behemoth!

Canadian rules football with the quality of players the NFL has would be awesome!

Oilkountry · #**10789** Posted **Mar 26, 2015, 5:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

We're veering into sports culture stuff here, but what the hell:

What can you really do to "Americanize" the CFL? US expansion was a bust, so that's out... you can get rid of player quotas but all that will do is hurt football development in Canada and have no effect whatsoever on US fan interest.

The stadium world is kind of boring right now lol

Oilkountry · #**10790** Posted **Mar 26, 2015, 5:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Canadian rules football with the quality of players the NFL has would be awesome!

I think the League is 10-15 years away from it. As new stadiums continue to be built. TV audience grows,season ticket holders expand, Ticket prices maybe get a little more pricey, More teams get added. Next TV deal Could be massive in comparison. Which all means higher salaries. Maybe a 2nd or 3rd string QB in the NFL would rather have a Starting job for the Ottawa Redblacks at 650k a season vs making 1-3 million and never play. That's when you will see the Game grow significantly

Acajack · #**10791** Posted **Mar 26, 2015, 5:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by Oilkountry

I think the League is 10-15 years away from it. As new stadiums continue to be built. TV audience grows,season ticket holders expand, Ticket prices maybe get a little more pricey, More teams get added. Next TV deal Could be massive in comparison. Which all means higher salaries. Maybe a 2nd or 3rd string QB in the NFL would rather have a Starting job for the Ottawa Redblacks at 650k a season vs making 1-3 million and never play. That's when you will see the Game grow significantly

Perhaps, but I was actually daydreaming about the NFL adopting CFL rules...

esquire · #**10792** Posted **Mar 26, 2015, 5:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by Oilkountry

The stadium world is kind of boring right now lol

Are you kidding me?

-Awesome Regina stadium U/C
-Awesome Edmonton arena U/C
-Awesome Quebec arena U/C
-Tim Hortons Field almost done
-BMO Field being expanded
-New Calgary arena planned
-New Calgary stadium planned
-New Laval arena planned

And then there are all the smaller projects like Shell Place, the new stadium at York... am I missing any?

These are boom times, my friend!

Acajack · #**10793** Posted **Mar 26, 2015, 6:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

Are you kidding me?

-Awesome Regina stadium U/C
-Awesome Edmonton arena U/C
-Awesome Quebec arena U/C
-Tim Hortons Field almost done
-BMO Field being expanded
-New Calgary arena planned
-New Calgary stadium planned
-New Laval arena planned

And then there are all the smaller projects like Shell Place, the new stadium at York... am I missing any?

These are boom times, my friend!

New arena for the major junior Gatineau Olympiques

VANRIDERFAN · #**10794** Posted **Mar 26, 2015, 6:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by Oilkountry

Yes absolutely. I theirs a possibility that they can bend the rules on meeting the Canadian player quotas It's a great thing for Canadian football players however I really don't think a Majority of Canadians care all that much. Its basically the CRTC of the football world.

But to clarify I'm talking about the way it's represented on TV and also the entire image of the CFL is very dated.

My mistake, carry on good sir!

elly63 · #**10795** Posted **Mar 26, 2015, 6:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by osmo

People still using the TV arguments? Even though we have no idea that Toronto proper numbers are, plus TV numbers show no effect as TFC makes money and the Argos don't.

Ontario numbers are 50% of the national TV rating so said former commish Cohon, you can choose to believe it or not. And I can't see why he would lie because sponsors have access to the ratings book and they would know if he was lying. BTW, TFC lost money last year.

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Originally Posted by osmo

I also agree that there is potential for growth with TFC way beyond what the CFL can attain. The CFL with its 40+ year old fan base needs to get young and get young fast. There isn't a new crop of fans in the pipelines line for other sports.

Aside from Ontario where will TFC grow? Quebec, no, western Canada, no, they have teams to support. Nobody in the ROC gives a — about TFC, why would they? The TV numbers show that.

If you would have listened to outgoing commish Cohon and incoming commish Orridge and several team executives, they are extremely cognizant of attracting new and younger fans. That's why Orridge was hired.

Lots of new young fans in the former moribund markets of Hamilton and Ottawa, Toronto can do the same. Blow it up and start from scratch as Ottawa did with committed ownership. No reason the Argos shouldn't make money, MLSE said they would be profitable if they owned them. They just would become a loser on the field like every other MLSE team

GreaterMontréal · #**10796** Posted **Mar 26, 2015, 6:08 PM**

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New Laval arena planned

It's under construction.

elly63 · #**10797** Posted **Mar 26, 2015, 6:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by Oilkountry

Yes absolutely. I theirs a possibility that they can bend the rules on meeting the Canadian player quotas It's a great thing for Canadian football players however I really don't think a Majority of Canadians care all that much. Its basically the CRTC of the football world.

I would say you were dead wrong. More American players would lead to an even larger perception of being an American minor league to the NFL. As it stands it is still perceived as a Canadian league.

khabibulin · #**10798** Posted **Mar 26, 2015, 6:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by osmo

People still using the TV arguments? Even though we have no idea that Toronto proper numbers are, plus TV numbers show no effect as TFC makes money and the Argos don't.

I also agree that there is potential for growth with TFC way beyond what the CFL can attain. The CFL with its 40+ year old fan base needs to get young and get young fast. There isn't a new crop of fans in the pipelines line for other sports.

BMO will likely just be a dead cat bounce. There are fundamental flaws in the market here, many of which were cemented when the Argos lost a whole generation of fans. The Argos still are arrogant thinking that isn't real, the CFL does not want to address it, but that impact is very real and it effects all things of that franchise. Braley was able to cheap out because nobody held him accountable for it. If he tried to do the same in other markets the fans and press would put heat on him.

All the CFL games I attend, during hot summer days, always feature lots of shirtless, boisterous, usually a bit tippsy, young men, and lots of hot young women. Just anecdotal, but thought I would share anyways.

P Unit · #**10799** Posted **Mar 26, 2015, 6:23 PM**

The whole idea of comparing growth potential between TFC/MLS and Argos/CFL is a bit silly because their potential audience and revenue streams are so different. The optimistic 20-year scenario for the Argos is that they're a successful and profitable franchise in a successful CFL that has maybe one or two more teams and gets high TV ratings in Canada. The successful 20-year scenario for TFC (and the Whitecaps and Impact) is that they're teams in a league that's mentioned in the same breath as the EPL and other powerhouse leagues (and make no mistake, that's what MLS is aiming for) and are revenue sharing US and international TV deals in the billions of dollars. US TV deals and international marketing are what drives MLSE to own certain franchise, not canadian viewership. "Growth potential" within the canadian TV context is largely irrelevant.

VANRIDERFAN · #**10800** Posted **Mar 26, 2015, 6:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by khabibulin

All the CFL games I attend, during hot summer days, always feature lots of shirtless, boisterous, usually a bit tippsy, young men, and lots of hot young women. Just anecdotal, but thought I would share anyways.

Hey! Don't you dare bring up facts when you talking about the "Aged CFL fan base"!