Winnipeg Construction VIII - Page 286

bomberjet · #**5701** Posted **Mar 24, 2015, 9:53 PM**

Those don't look like geotechnical drill rigs.

drew · #**5702** Posted **Mar 24, 2015, 10:03 PM**

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Those don't look like geotechnical drill rigs.

The pictures that 1ajs posted are for two different projects. West Broadway Gardens is going about half a block north of where that equipment is.

1ajs · #**5703** Posted **Mar 24, 2015, 10:06 PM**

they used them at portage and main last year for geo technical work so who knows

bomberjet · #**5704** Posted **Mar 24, 2015, 10:26 PM**

Ooh, I see. They were doing test caissons at Project W. Typically for doing test holes, they use smaller rigs.

buzzg · #**5705** Posted **Mar 24, 2015, 10:40 PM**

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Maybe the scale of the rendering is really weird/off... but I have a tough time believing that building fits on this site. That taller narrow one would make a lot more sense.

Simplicity · #**5706** Posted **Mar 24, 2015, 11:30 PM**

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I have worked on projects similar to this, and a grant is usually provided to cover off the schematic design phase (to pay consultants, lawyers, etc.)

This grant is a forgivable loan that only becomes payable - if the project moves forward.

So actually, it is likely that the organization spend next to nothing (other than labour, or volunteer Board time) to procure the initial designs.

Yeah, I've had grants that worked in this way. Or the first $20K is completely forgivable and the next $100K is repayable at 0% interest if it goes ahead. But that's not how Manitoba Housing generally works.

rypinion · #**5707** Posted **Mar 25, 2015, 3:17 PM**

A look at 62M's prefab units:

https://instagram.com/p/0p7feMiPc8/

Linked from https://twitter.com/mark_gsd

biguc · #**5708** Posted **Mar 25, 2015, 3:22 PM**

I didn't know they'd be prefabbing the units. That's kind of cool. Do any of you know why it's not a more common practise?

Simplicity · #**5709** Posted **Mar 25, 2015, 3:33 PM**

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I didn't know they'd be prefabbing the units. That's kind of cool. Do any of you know why it's not a more common practise?

It's becoming one. Holz is the only show in town at the moment and old habits die hard, but anything wood frame now considers this technology in the design phase. It's not cheap given you need to transport huge sections and crane them into place, but it's extremely efficient. Over time it will get cheaper and to me, it'll be the way things are done.

Imagine being able to build your wall sections while you're excavating and pouring your concrete, not having to store lumber on a small site, being able to close up in a quarter of the time in the winter. If it becomes cheap enough, this should revolutionize things here.

Of course, this kind of stuff has been happening everywhere for a long time already, we're just a little behind the curve.

biguc · #**5710** Posted **Mar 25, 2015, 3:42 PM**

Yeah I know in China they've been building like this for a while, like that infamous 30 story tower they built in a month. I guess, like anything, it'll take a bit of a heavy initial investment to get it going.

One possibility that interests me is building prefabbed units indoors, making them completely weather independent. After a unit is framed drywallers and painters could go right to work inside while people are still working on the exterior. Huge time savings.

Simplicity · #**5711** Posted **Mar 25, 2015, 3:58 PM**

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Yeah I know in China they've been building like this for a while, like that infamous 30 story tower they built in a month. I guess, like anything, it'll take a bit of a heavy initial investment to get it going.

One possibility that interests me is building prefabbed units indoors, making them completely weather independent. After a unit is framed drywallers and painters could go right to work inside while people are still working on the exterior. Huge time savings.

This would be more difficult because of items like electrical and plumbing. Definitely not impossible, but more difficult. It'd be especially difficult for your electrical given how many termination points you'd have, but also both electrical and plumbing are inspected elements before you board the walls. I'm not sure how you'd get around that part given they have to see behind the walls all the way back to the sub-panels and down to the main.

I'm hoping one day there's a solution to that, though...

biguc · #**5712** Posted **Mar 25, 2015, 4:02 PM**

Yeah, I just sort of neglected to mention them. But think of this: electricians and plumbers can have at a framed unit from both sides of exterior walls.

Simplicity · #**5713** Posted **Mar 25, 2015, 4:24 PM**

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Yeah, I just sort of neglected to mention them. But think of this: electricians and plumbers can have at a framed unit from both sides of exterior walls.

I would actually like to see something like you're mentioning. Especially where Winnipeg is involved because of the weather, but logistically I see issues with taping and mudding drywall and then trying to crane it into place. There's a lot of flex in those sections when they're moved; you'd have cracked drywall all over the place. But even getting a sheeted section into place instead of having to build it on site can save a ton of framing labour and time...

Biff · #**5714** Posted **Mar 25, 2015, 6:47 PM**

Lots of construction going on at APTN.

esquire · #**5715** Posted **Mar 25, 2015, 6:50 PM**

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Lots of construction going on at APTN.

APTN is pounding along, and across the street, GlassHouse's core is up to the 6th floor and starting to poke up into the skyline. It's quite a beehive of activity around there.

Jack1983 · #**5716** Posted **Mar 25, 2015, 9:21 PM**

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Yeah, I just sort of neglected to mention them. But think of this: electricians and plumbers can have at a framed unit from both sides of exterior walls.

This is how pre-fabbed camps are constructed. All units have there plumbing and electrical in-place prior to placement. Its just a matter of hooking units up to each other.

Keeyask has 2000 rooms being constructed at the moment in this manor.

Simplicity · #**5717** Posted **Mar 25, 2015, 9:35 PM**

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This is how pre-fabbed camps are constructed. All units have there plumbing and electrical in-place prior to placement. Its just a matter of hooking units up to each other.

Keeyask has 2000 rooms being constructed at the moment in this manor.

Yeah, it's easier to do temporary structures and just straight modular boxes in this way because everything lines up. It's once you start getting into the articulation of walls that things become complicated and inefficient. More than just two storeys seems to be a bit of a hurdle at the moment too.

Truthfully, if we could ever get over things like design, where it comes to affordable housing, we should be creating boxes with modular pre-finished suites and craning them into place. There's no reason this can't work...

biguc · #**5718** Posted **Mar 25, 2015, 11:12 PM**

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Truthfully, if we could ever get over things like design, where it comes to affordable housing, we should be creating boxes with modular pre-finished suites and craning them into place. There's no reason this can't work...

Yeah I've been thinking the same for a while now. The thing is, I don't even envision it as a place with poor design--I picture something like older areas of Hong Kong. They'll be austere as all hell but put them on a commercial ground floor where the shops can do what they want with their signs and awnings, cover blank walls with billboards and stack 'em up.

1ajs · #**5719** Posted **Mar 25, 2015, 11:43 PM**

that site on sherbrook has a swack of piles in allready

bomberjet · #**5720** Posted **Mar 27, 2015, 8:16 PM**

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/I...-297818361.html?cx_navSource=d-top-story

'I've got to sue': Developer to launch legal action against city over Sargent building collapse
By: Aldo Santin
Posted: 2:26 PM

West End advocate and business owner Sal Infantino says he has no option but to launch legal action against the City of Winnipeg after its conclusion that work he authorized was responsible for the collapse of his Sargent Avenue building and the city sidewalk in front of it.

Infantino said the city has refused to provide him with the findings of an independent engineer’s assessment of the cause of the damage to his building at 543 Sargent Ave., adding the reasons provided to the Free Press make no sense to him.

Unfortunately for this guy, he's going to lose. If the City really does have engineers stating something, and they've put their stamp on it, this guy has nothing. No engineer, regardless of who their client is, would falsely seal something. Especially when it's obvious there is a legal battle ensuing over this.