ATLANTA | Development Thread V - Page 668

bigstick · #**13341** Posted **Mar 16, 2015, 12:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by BGump

Oh boy, the last one didn't turn out too well:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Atlanta_fire_of_1917

LOL, I know but that is ancient history. Just a figure of speech....

micropundit · #**13342** Posted **Mar 16, 2015, 1:21 PM**

The Georgia Supreme Court has upheld the city of Atlanta’s plans to help finance the new $1.4 billion Falcons stadium, a legal decision that allows the city to move forward with issuing $200 million in bonds toward the project.

The decision comes more than a year after a group of residents from English Avenue and Vine City first intervened in the deal brokered by Mayor Kasim Reed and approved by the Atlanta City Council in 2013, a legal challenge that has long delayed Atlanta’s plans.
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/breaking-ne...clears-last-hurdle-for-falcons-st/nkXbN/

shivtim · #**13343** Posted **Mar 16, 2015, 1:58 PM**

Looks like the Clermont Hotel renovation might be moving forward. They've applied to the Board of Zoning Adjustment:
"Applicant seeks a special exception to reduce the required on-site parking spaces from 81 spaces to 53 spaces to allow conversion of retail spaces to a restaurant, lobby bar and rooftop lounge."

shivtim · #**13344** Posted **Mar 16, 2015, 2:06 PM**

Anybody know anything about this?
https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?cid=EF50A3349DDD91A0&resid=EF50A3349DDD91A0%211407&app=WordPdf
An ordinance to rezone 504 Rankin Street as multi-family residential. Right now it's an empty lot inbetween an older vacant single family home and a newer 3-story development. It could be a large development if it takes up the whole corner.

Ant131531 · #**13345** Posted **Mar 16, 2015, 2:54 PM**

Oh wow, so the rezoning and redevelopment of O4W from the Historic Park to Boulevard has begun. O4W can seriously become a really dense neighborhood over the next 5-10 years.

thepope117 · #**13346** Posted **Mar 16, 2015, 3:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by shivtim

Anybody know anything about this?
https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?cid=EF50A3349DDD91A0&resid=EF50A3349DDD91A0%211407&app=WordPdf
An ordinance to rezone 504 Rankin Street as multi-family residential. Right now it's an empty lot inbetween an older vacant single family home and a newer 3-story development. It could be a large development if it takes up the whole corner.

Not likely its more likely to be more town-homes like next door.

NewUrbanist90 · #**13347** Posted **Mar 16, 2015, 6:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by RocketSurgeon

From the Zoning Review Board meeting: Atlantic Station plans to develop the surface parking at 17th and State. The project will be a 7-story, 210,000 sq ft office building with 10,000 sq ft of ground floor retail and--you'll like this--no parking, pending approval. The adjacent park will remain.

Soil testing and clearing has already begun, so it appears they want to move fast with this one.

Oh wow - that's awesome. I keep waiting to see something proposed on the other side of 17th and in that big hole between 217 and Twelve - but no such luck. I guess this site made more sense to develop next?

Stairstars · #**13348** Posted **Mar 16, 2015, 8:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by RocketSurgeon View Post
From the Zoning Review Board meeting: Atlantic Station plans to develop the surface parking at 17th and State. The project will be a 7-story, 210,000 sq ft office building with 10,000 sq ft of ground floor retail and--you'll like this--no parking, pending approval. The adjacent park will remain.

Don't they mean the surface parking lot at 18th and State? The park and recharging station front 17th.

Ant131531 · #**13349** Posted **Mar 16, 2015, 8:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by Stairstars

Don't they mean the surface parking lot at 18th and State? The park and recharging station front 17th.

They moved the park and charging station...it's no longer on 17th street.

bryantm3 · #**13350** Posted **Mar 16, 2015, 11:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by NewUrbanist90

That is just awesome.

Also - just thinking about the feasibility over the Connector: the grade is such in Midtown that northbound 75/85 could be capped, but southbound 75/85 north of 10th is almost at street-level for the most part. It would be extremely difficult to cap properly to connect Georgia Tech/Home Park with Midtown.

this is what i'm talking about. the connector is at or above grade for much of the length of the connector. it's not possible to cap it. you would have to dig out a deeper trench to put the connector in, and at that point, it might be cheaper to tunnel. at least, that's my logic.

bryantm3 · #**13351** Posted **Mar 16, 2015, 11:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by joecool

So the street on the right of the building in this rendering is going to be a new street? Thats cool

no, the street in front is the new street. the street on the right is west peachtree.

RocketSurgeon · #**13352** Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 1:29 AM**

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Originally Posted by Stairstars

Don't they mean the surface parking lot at 18th and State? The park and recharging station front 17th.

Those are already being cleared. I'm sure the main entrance and retail will be on 17th, but it'll be interesting to see what ends up on 18th since Target is right there. My guess would be just a service entrance though. It's a shame State ended up being an alley, because it could have been a pretty lively street that connected the mall to the neighborhood, but instead it's just a path to Target... Atlantic Station got a lot of things right, but they sure screwed up some others.

Stairstars · #**13353** Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 2:21 AM**

Thanks for the info. I had not noticed the changes to the station.

A-town · #**13354** Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 10:18 AM**

I really don't understand the desire to cap the connector. It's always been an idea I hated. I like driving through the connector and marveling at our city’s skyline. The intimacy you feel with the building as you drive through can’t be experienced anywhere else. So people would much rather drive through a dark tunnel than through an open air connector surrounded by our city’s buildings? And here I am thinking this is a skyscraper website… some of you people really do amaze me.

Atlanta3000 · #**13355** Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 11:18 AM**

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Originally Posted by A-town

I really don't understand the desire to cap the connector. It's always been an idea I hated. I like driving through the connector and marveling at our city’s skyline. The intimacy you feel with the building as you drive through can’t be experienced anywhere else. So people would much rather drive through a dark tunnel than through an open air connector surrounded by our city’s buildings? And here I am thinking this is a skyscraper website… some of you people really do amaze me.

100% Agree. Although I do support capping GA400 from Peachtree to Lenox.

Midtown_DD · #**13356** Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 12:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by A-town

I really don't understand the desire to cap the connector. It's always been an idea I hated. I like driving through the connector and marveling at our city’s skyline. The intimacy you feel with the building as you drive through can’t be experienced anywhere else. So people would much rather drive through a dark tunnel than through an open air connector surrounded by our city’s buildings? And here I am thinking this is a skyscraper website… some of you people really do amaze me.

Cities are for people, not for cars. Imagine the views you'd have standing in a park over the connector and marveling at the skyline. Many of those of us who live in the city center face tremendous negative externalities for people to drive through our neighborhoods. If capping the connector helps mitigate some of the damage they're doing to us, I think it's a noteworthy project.

Curious Atlantan · #**13357** Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 12:54 PM**

Yeah sure, everybody knows the whole purpose of this city is to be admired from the distance through the windshield of a car

The truth is that the connector gutted this city, capping it (although very unlikely) would at least attempt to start healing these wounds. I would love an even more impossible alternative, completely removing it through downtown/midtown and replacing with the original grid.

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Originally Posted by A-town

I really don't understand the desire to cap the connector. It's always been an idea I hated. I like driving through the connector and marveling at our city’s skyline. The intimacy you feel with the building as you drive through can’t be experienced anywhere else. So people would much rather drive through a dark tunnel than through an open air connector surrounded by our city’s buildings? And here I am thinking this is a skyscraper website… some of you people really do amaze me.

Atlanta3000 · #**13358** Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 1:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by Midtown_DD

Cities are for people, not for cars. Imagine the views you'd have standing in a park over the connector and marveling at the skyline. Many of those of us who live in the city center face tremendous negative externalities for people to drive through our neighborhoods. If capping the connector helps mitigate some of the damage they're doing to us, I think it's a noteworthy project.

Sorry in advance if I come across as an @$$hole, but the foundation of your arguement is ridiculous - "Cities are for people, not for cars."

The very foundation of cities is the aboundace of streets in a grid to support transportation by cars. Have you every been to a major city with just sidewalks?

Atlanta3000 · #**13359** Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 1:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by Curious Atlantan

Yeah sure, everybody knows the whole purpose of this city is to be admired from the distance through the windshield of a car

The truth is that the connector gutted this city, capping it (although very unlikely) would at least attempt to start healing these wounds. I would love an even more impossible alternative, completely removing it through downtown/midtown and replacing with the original grid.

I would totally support removing the connector altogether and filling it with water. Atlanta's River Walk.

gttx · #**13360** Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 1:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

Sorry in advance if I come across as an @$$hole, but the foundation of your arguement is ridiculous - "Cities are for people, not for cars."

The very foundation of cities is the aboundace of streets in a grid to support transportation by cars. Have you every been to a major city with just sidewalks?

The abdication of our city rights-of-way to cars is a relatively recent phenomenon. People have been building and living in cities for millennia - cars have been around for 100 years. Here is a nice history of how cars came to dominate city streets:

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation...-180953396/?utm_campaign=11202014&no-ist

Grids do many things. They structure the city. They provide a clean unit of property ownership. They create frontage with which people on the ground can interact. And yes, they handle transportation - be it people on foot, animals pulling carts, trains or streetcars, and even private automobiles. In the future the mode will likely be something different, if history is any guide to the changing nature of city streets.

But that isn't the point. No one is arguing that the city should have no streets. Only that it shouldn't have a 16-lane chasm carved through its center, splitting neighborhoods (some intentionally) and causing years of decline along its borders (see Jane Jacobs on border vacuums). City streets, even those hosting cars, are surmountable on foot. Interstates are not. They both have their place, but they do not co-exist well.