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Old Posted Mar 12, 2015, 3:23 AM
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Our hotel market is very strong. Developers will keep building hotels until the market is saturated. We haven't reached that point yet.
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Did you read this? http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/bl...3&s=article_du

That seems reasonable to me. Austin isn't Vegas, NOLA, Orlando, or even San Antonio. We have some big events that attract visitors but it's not a tourist economy.
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Top 10 US cities for # of hotel rooms in order are; Las Vegas, Orlando, Chicago, Washington DC, NYC, LA, Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, Phoenix.
The top 6 are major destinations for obvious reasons, I think pro sports plays a big role for hotel room needs in the others. What I found interesting was proportional to Phoenix, it seems we have the right amount of rooms built, u/c and planned. Phoenix metro pop. around 4 mil, 62k rooms, 500 u/c, about 4k planned. Austin, 1.9 mil metro, 31k rooms, and about 2k or so u/c with more planned. Given our high room occupancy and growing popularity, growing events and festivals and population, I think we can certainly fill the rooms we have and considerably more, as do the investors who continue to be bullish on Austin. But without a major sports team, an expanded convention center will not justify the historically high numbers of hotel rooms being added right now in the not too distant future. I think within 5 years the hotel construction, especially dt will slow down, perhaps dramatically.
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Did you read this? http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/bl...3&s=article_du

That seems reasonable to me. Austin isn't Vegas, NOLA, Orlando, or even San Antonio. We have some big events that attract visitors but it's not a tourist economy.

It's odd that the guy speaking used completely different numbers for job growth than what Angelo Angelou stated in the city's economic outlook back in Jan which was 39,000. I'm not sure which is right but just from my observation over the past year I don't see how we could have slowed to 25,000 jobs. The city's economy was red hot in 2014 and I don't really see a slowdown anytime soon. That's just my impression at least.

The Genral has a point too about the hotel situation. The speaker in that article doesn't seem to really know Austin and if he represents retail interests then he would obviously be biased pushing retail over anything else. Fact is Austin is definitely behind on good housing options and while I agree that there's more to it than just supply and demand, that doesn't mean that a big part of the issue is lack of affordable supply for the amount of people moving here which most certainly is a lot.
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2015, 10:12 AM
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We are building so many apartments, and that's great. But they are not alluring to me. I just find more value in making mortgage payments rather than rent. But I don't have the capital to buy a house in Austin yet.
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It's odd that the guy speaking used completely different numbers for job growth than what Angelo Angelou stated in the city's economic outlook back in Jan which was 39,000. I'm not sure which is right but just from my observation over the past year I don't see how we could have slowed to 25,000 jobs. The city's economy was red hot in 2014 and I don't really see a slowdown anytime soon. That's just my impression at least.
I'm thinking that maybe Ted Jones was talking about jobs created in the City of Austin (25,000) and perhaps Angelou was talking about jobs created in the 5-county metro region (39,000) because in this article he notes:

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About 66,000 people moved to Austin last year. Some 39,100 jobs were created, the most in the professional and business services sector followed by leisure and hospitality, retail, education and health, construction and financial activities.
I find it very hard to believe that the City of Austin added 66,000 new residents in a single year. That number sounds more like the yearly population increase for the entire 5-county metro area.

You can look at population estimates for the metro area for every year between 1970 and 2013 here. From 2012-2013 the entire metro area only added an estimated 47,941 people.
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I'm thinking that maybe Ted Jones was talking about jobs created in the City of Austin (25,000) and perhaps Angelou was talking about jobs created in the 5-county metro region (39,000) because in this article he notes:



I find it very hard to believe that the City of Austin added 66,000 new residents in a single year. That number sounds more like the yearly population increase for the entire 5-county metro area.

You can look at population estimates for the metro area for every year between 1970 and 2013 here. From 2012-2013 the entire metro area only added an estimated 47,941 people.
I feel those numbers are undercutting our population and they are outdated. It's also important to know that we were not growing as fast before 2013. It's difficult for an exact count as it is for anyone including the official census but I think Angelo Angelou is in the right ball bark for several reasons. First his economic firm is here in the city, he has spent years monitoring everything from new businesses and jobs added to housing starts and occupancy. He has a good track record over the years. In his speech he specifically said Austin not the metro.

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Housing prices did not deter 66,000 people last year from relocating to Austin, mostly from other parts of Texas, California and Florida, Angelou said. That growth helped Austin become the country’s 11th-largest city with a population nearing 1 million people, or only 40,000 below San Jose, California.
“It’ll be very interesting for Austin—not that size matters—to become actually larger than the king of Silicon Valley.
http://impactnews.com/austin-metro/c...mist-predicts/

That would place Austin itself at around 960,000 currently give or take a few thousand one way or the other. I'm not saying it's exactly right but I do think it's closer to reality than not.
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66K is the Metro number. People usually say "Austin" when they mean the Metro.
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^^I agree. It refers to metro Austin.

Even on the City's website, they estimate that for 2014 the population of just the City was only 865,504. and notes that Decennial figures are from the US Census Bureau, while all other annual figures are internally generated estimates
from City Demographer, Department of Planning, City of Austin.

City of Austin Demographic Data

(Scroll down to Population Histories and Forecasts and click on the "Detailed City of Austin population history: 1840 to 2014" link )
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So, ABJ reported on the most recent IRR report (that's an industry standard report), which you can access here: http://www.irr.com/_FileLibrary/Publ...point_2015.pdf

I'd rather provide you with my own assessment than link you to the ABJ article, which is kinda crappy:

1. We're in the first stage of expansion in the office market, which is really good. If we're doing this hot right now, we should expect a few more years of building there especially in the CBD. I'd expect a good two or three more high profile large projects to be announced and built within that time span, and a smattering of smaller projects.

2. Our CBD office vacancy rate is exceptionally low, which is great, whereas our suburban vacancy rate is higher. This usually indicates further development in the CBD with suburban absorption, which is good for us.

3. We're a bit further along in the development expansion cycle for multifamily, but I'm fine with that. Given our population growth, there's still demand there and we should remain in that phase in perpetuity provided that we don't overdevelop. Given that we've been underdeveloping for a few years we might actually see some pent up demand released through a bunch of new announced oncoming supply. I look forward to this.

4. I'm not really sure what to make of the retail market, which shows us at a similar place within the cycle as multifamily. I'm not buying this at all, actually, where my intuition places us still at the late stages of recovery for retail. Either way, the future still looks fine here.

5. Industrial space is in the expansion phase, but who cares. It's a small part of our economic makeup.

6. Lodging is also in the expansion phase, lodged firmly in the middle. Over the next few years given oncoming supply, I expect to see that shift into hypersupply. That's fine, though, provided that we don't see an economic recession country-wide.

Some Texas comparative notes:

CBD Office: Dallas, Fort Worth, and San Antonio are both in the same spot as we are, but Houston is a little bit further alone in the cycle. That comports with my intuition pretty much spot on.

Multifamily: Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, and San Antonio are at the peak of the development cycle for multifamily, so we should see some significant slowdown over the next few years in their residential markets, even despite their population growth. San Antonio, particularly, is likely to see a sustained slowdown, given that it's rate of growth is significantly lower.

Retail: Dallas and Fort Worth are at the end stages of recovery, whereas San Antonio is at the beginnings of expansion. Houston is similar to Austin. I'm just not buying any of the retail data.

Industrial: Really, only Fort Worth and San Antonio need to care about this sector and they're both in an expansion.

Hospitality: So... all other cities are in a more juicy spot for further hotel development. I'd expect San Antonio to outperform the rest of Texas's cities going forward for the next few years after we exhaust our current development pipeline (inc. those rumored to be announced projects).

Given that I now live in Columbia, S.C., I want to point out that Columbia feels like a smaller version of Austin with much less growth. However, it's stats seem to point to renewed optimism going forward. It's in recovery or expansion in all categories. I'm particularly liking that it's expansion in multifamily is at the upfront of the cycle and the industrial expansion is particularly hot right now (which, I'll note, is a very large sector here).
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So, ABJ reported on the most recent IRR report (that's an industry standard report), which you can access here: http://www.irr.com/_FileLibrary/Publ...point_2015.pdf

I'd rather provide you with my own assessment than link you to the ABJ article, which is kinda crappy:

1. We're in the first stage of expansion in the office market, which is really good. If we're doing this hot right now, we should expect a few more years of building there especially in the CBD. I'd expect a good two or three more high profile large projects to be announced and built within that time span, and a smattering of smaller projects.

2. Our CBD office vacancy rate is exceptionally low, which is great, whereas our suburban vacancy rate is higher. This usually indicates further development in the CBD with suburban absorption, which is good for us.

3. We're a bit further along in the development expansion cycle for multifamily, but I'm fine with that. Given our population growth, there's still demand there and we should remain in that phase in perpetuity provided that we don't overdevelop. Given that we've been underdeveloping for a few years we might actually see some pent up demand released through a bunch of new announced oncoming supply. I look forward to this.

4. I'm not really sure what to make of the retail market, which shows us at a similar place within the cycle as multifamily. I'm not buying this at all, actually, where my intuition places us still at the late stages of recovery for retail. Either way, the future still looks fine here.

5. Industrial space is in the expansion phase, but who cares. It's a small part of our economic makeup.

6. Lodging is also in the expansion phase, lodged firmly in the middle. Over the next few years given oncoming supply, I expect to see that shift into hypersupply. That's fine, though, provided that we don't see an economic recession country-wide.

Some Texas comparative notes:

CBD Office: Dallas, Fort Worth, and San Antonio are both in the same spot as we are, but Houston is a little bit further alone in the cycle. That comports with my intuition pretty much spot on.

Multifamily: Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, and San Antonio are at the peak of the development cycle for multifamily, so we should see some significant slowdown over the next few years in their residential markets, even despite their population growth. San Antonio, particularly, is likely to see a sustained slowdown, given that it's rate of growth is significantly lower.

Retail: Dallas and Fort Worth are at the end stages of recovery, whereas San Antonio is at the beginnings of expansion. Houston is similar to Austin. I'm just not buying any of the retail data.

Industrial: Really, only Fort Worth and San Antonio need to care about this sector and they're both in an expansion.

Hospitality: So... all other cities are in a more juicy spot for further hotel development. I'd expect San Antonio to outperform the rest of Texas's cities going forward for the next few years after we exhaust our current development pipeline (inc. those rumored to be announced projects).

Given that I now live in Columbia, S.C., I want to point out that Columbia feels like a smaller version of Austin with much less growth. However, it's stats seem to point to renewed optimism going forward. It's in recovery or expansion in all categories. I'm particularly liking that it's expansion in multifamily is at the upfront of the cycle and the industrial expansion is particularly hot right now (which, I'll note, is a very large sector here).
I lived in Columbia when I was growing up. I've always liked the vibe of the city. Also the Austonian looks cool for SXSW.
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66K is the Metro number. People usually say "Austin" when they mean the Metro.
We wouldn't be 40K below San Jose if he was referring to metro. It was city rank that he was referring to. Our metro is nearly 2 million not 1 million and he said Austin is nearing 1 million.

Also if we are still below 900,000 then we must have not grown at all over the last 3 years which obviously isn't the case considering all of the construction gping on. We also wouldn't be seeing 6% (2013-2014) 7% (2014-2015) airport passenger growth numbers either.
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We wouldn't be 40K below San Jose if he was referring to metro. It was city rank that he was referring to. Our metro is nearly 2 million not 1 million and he said Austin is nearing 1 million.

Also if we are still below 900,000 then we must have not grown at all over the last 3 years which obviously isn't the case considering all of the construction gping on. We also wouldn't be seeing 6% (2013-2014) 7% (2014-2015) airport passenger growth numbers either.
Those numbers are definitely metro numbers. That guy is adding the metro increase to the city proper population to get that 40K number. His credibility takes a hit for that.
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Those numbers are definitely metro numbers. That guy is adding the metro increase to the city proper population to get that 40K number. His credibility takes a hit for that.
Who's credibility? That "only 40,000 below San Jose" isn't a quote in the article, I can't tell if it came from Angelou or the author.
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Portland's Voodoo Doughnut coming to 6th Street! I've seen them on Food Network. Can't wait to try their donuts.

http://impactnews.com/austin-metro/c...-sixth-street/
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Portland's Voodoo Doughnut coming to 6th Street! I've seen them on Food Network. Can't wait to try their donuts.

http://impactnews.com/austin-metro/c...-sixth-street/
I LOVE Voodoo Donuts! Every time I visit my sister in Portland I go there. This is a HUGE deal for me, personally. Ugh, too bad I'm living in Columbia.
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I prefer the ones with a hole in the middle.
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