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Old Posted Mar 4, 2015, 2:11 AM
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Randomly stumbled into a Perkins + Will employee's house since I've been out in SF for the winter. Got to see a fly-through 3D video of the Almono plans and HOOOOOOOO are they nice. By far the best of the 4 mega developments going on in the city. Hope it makes the other developers sweat a bit. I guess that's what you get when you hire a real architect.
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Randomly stumbled into a Perkins + Will employee's house since I've been out in SF for the winter. Got to see a fly-through 3D video of the Almono plans and HOOOOOOOO are they nice. By far the best of the 4 mega developments going on in the city. Hope it makes the other developers sweat a bit. I guess that's what you get when you hire a real architect.
Wow, can't wait to see it.

Maybe they can shatter the "Pittsburgh doesn't deserve nice things" attitude that seems to work against any effort to hold local projects to higher standards.
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Old Posted Mar 4, 2015, 2:18 AM
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Maybe they can shatter the "Pittsburgh doesn't deserve nice things" attitude that seems to work against any effort to hold local projects to higher standards.
The plans are definitely SF-level, and beyond anything else I've seen done in Pittsburgh. I did notice a massing portion of the video that looked like it had some relatively tall/skinny buildings. In the 10+ range. But maybe that was just a hypothetical example.
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Despite the presence of Dollar Tree in our city, we still pulled this off:

http://livability.com/top-10/downtowns/top-10-best-downtowns/2015/pennsylvania/pittsburgh
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Randomly stumbled into a Perkins + Will employee's house since I've been out in SF for the winter. Got to see a fly-through 3D video of the Almono plans and HOOOOOOOO are they nice. By far the best of the 4 mega developments going on in the city. Hope it makes the other developers sweat a bit. I guess that's what you get when you hire a real architect.

I wanna see it!
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Honestly, people "concerned" about the Dollar Tree are coming across as borderline racist to me. Or, at least, presuming that the white yuppies moving there are racist, and will promptly turn tail and run when they see the dollar store. Forgetting that that block was mostly a blighted ruin already, and it didn't seem to hurt anything.
No, it's just that Dollar Tree and its ilk are absolute shit.

I don't care who shops there or who doesn't. I despise the horrendously consumptive, wasteful business model that relies on a horrendously consumptive, wasteful supply chain. I hate that many products (40-50% Chinese origin) STILL sold in these stores do not meet US Federal safety standards... toys, medicines, cleaning supplies, pet supplies, vitamins, food, jewelry, cosmetics, electronics, and don't forget the packaging that many of these "great deals" come in. Who doesn't love a little extra cadmium? And kids sure do love those toxic pthalates in their plastic toys! What kid wouldn't!?

They peddle throw-away (and often toxic) products and only further contribute to a culture of wasteful consumption. So sorry if I'm not a big fan and display "concern" about these stores.

This is to say nothing about my feelings on dollar stores from an urban planning/design and revitalization perspective.

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The fact is that for a lot of basic commodities, all the retailers ultimately have the same supply chains (stretching back to China and such), and there is no competitive advantage to providing better service when people walk in knowing what they want. Hence economies of scale and branding take over.

That's why chain convenience and drug stores are now everywhere (including--gasp!--Lawrenceville). The subtext here seems to be that somehow a dollar store is fundamentally different from a chain convenience or drug store, but it really isn't these days.

By the way, there used to be a Woolworth's along Penn in East Liberty. Which was what was called a "five and dime" (or variations thereof) back then. Which is the exact same thing as a "dollar store" (except for the inflation).

So maybe if this was called "Ye Olde Timey Five and Dimey" (but otherwise identical), it would be meeting with less reflexive hostility.
But all those points in bold above are not true.

Supply chains are not the same for all retailers. While China has consolidated supply chains throughout Asia, that does not mean the links in the chain are the same. Bulk purchasing surplus/outdated inventory from low quality manufacturers is not the business model of convenience/drug stores -- CVS, Rite-Aid, Walgreens, and others do not do that. And aside from other vast differences, dollar stores don't have soda jerks working the fountain like five and dimes did.
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Old Posted Mar 4, 2015, 10:13 AM
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I don't care who shops there or who doesn't. . . . This is to say nothing about my feelings on dollar stores from an urban planning/design and revitalization perspective.
Well, that's the precise point we have been addressing so far. Since it turns out that dollar stores have a mixed-income customer base, and that in recent years they have specifically targeted with success higher-income customers, from a development perspective there is really no reason to be concerned about one being located in a mixed-income neighborhood which is adding some apartments and such targeted at higher-income customers. But I understand you are now raising different concerns.

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Bulk purchasing surplus/outdated inventory from low quality manufacturers is not the business model of convenience/drug stores -- CVS, Rite-Aid, Walgreens, and others do not do that.
I don't see how that addresses your concerns. The drug stores, convenience stores, Target, Walmart, and so on are actually buying wholesale and reselling many of the same products from the same manufacturers. As noted in the articles I linked, these days dollar stores are also carrying the exact same brands as well. But even when the brands are different, you will often find the manufacturers are the same. Meanwhile, Target, for example, actually created a dollar-store-type section within the store--the "Dollar Spot"--with a rotating product lineup to compete back with dollar stores. In the East Liberty store, it is right behind the shopping carts.

Now it is is true dollar stores are sometimes buying surplus lots--but surplus from whom? It is often surplus from these other stores. And from the perspective of the concerns you cited, I don't see why it matters whether a store was the first buyer or the surplus buyer if the goods ultimately were part of the same original order.

So while these concerns are valid, I really don't understand the case for singling out just dollar stores as a target for those concerns.

Incidentally, all this has become enough of a concern for consumers that various major retailers have been adopting "sustainability" initiatives to address those concerns--including as it turns out, Dollar Tree:

http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/D...EA7-B3BC-D90A537CFC2F/Sustainability.pdf

I certainly would not discourage people from looking at those policies as they evolve over time, and potentially favoring those chains which they think have better policies at a given time. But I don't think it is going to be a useful heuristic to assume that Dollar Tree has a worse policy on a given issue than any given drug stores, convenience store, discount department store, or so on--I think you will need to look at and compare the policies in detail, because in one way or another they are all responding to both these "sustainability" pressures on the one hand, but also many other competitive and financial pressures on the other.

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The plans are definitely SF-level, and beyond anything else I've seen done in Pittsburgh. I did notice a massing portion of the video that looked like it had some relatively tall/skinny buildings. In the 10+ range. But maybe that was just a hypothetical example.
And you couldn't just snap a photo?
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Walnut Capital will preserve two historic East Liberty storefronts

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Walnut Capital has agreed to save two historic Penn Avenue facades as part of its plans for a new 78-unit apartment project in East Liberty.

The Shadyside developer will incorporate the terra-cotta storefronts into the design of the new $14 million, six-story building on Penn.

Gregg Perelman, Walnut Capital CEO and founder, called the decision a “good solid compromise” reached after discussions with Pittsburgh Mayor Bill Peduto’s office; East Liberty Development Inc., which owned the properties; and the city’s Urban Redevelopment Authority.

“Working with the mayor’s office, they felt strongly that we needed to try to maintain the street facade as it exists today. We concurred and we went back and came up with a creative plan to do that,” Mr. Perelman said.
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Definitely a massive improvement:



In an ideal world they would also save the red brick building currently between the terra cotta buildings, and leave these facades exactly in place, but I can live with this compromise.

Of course all this emphasizes that if the Mayor et al were willing to hold Point Park to the same standards, undoubtedly those facades could be saved in place, or at least put back on the street.
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In an ideal world they would also save the red brick building between the terra cotta buildings, but I can live with this compromise.

Of course all this emphasizes that if the Mayor et al were willing to hold Point Park to the same standards, undoubtedly those facades could be saved in place.
For sure a big improvement in the development, and the only building that they are removing is the hideous PNC Branch building. It looks like Walnut Capital understood the concerns of the City and listened.
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I hope I never have to wade through 4+ pages of dollar store discussion again.
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In an ideal world they would also save the red brick building currently between the terra cotta buildings, and leave these facades exactly in place, but I can live with this compromise.

Of course all this emphasizes that if the Mayor et al were willing to hold Point Park to the same standards, undoubtedly those facades could be saved in place, or at least put back on the street.
This looks great IMO.
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"By incorporating the facades in the new building, Walnut will lose six apartment units."

Walnut Capital/Strada should be embarrassed to admit that.
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"By incorporating the facades in the new building, Walnut will lose six apartment units."

Walnut Capital/Strada should be embarrassed to admit that.
What do you mean?
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What do you mean?
IMO it's kind of a ridiculous statement, there's nothing stopping them from adding another floor if they want more units. Preserving historic facades should be a essential duty of being an urban developer. Also, the footprint of the building should not be the determining factor for the number of units in a new structure.
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Seriously? I think they are horrific. I'm still mad about the mismatched brick, and in general they look incredibly cheap.
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Not a fan of the buildings, but I was down there the other week and couldn't notice a difference in the brick like there was in the pics posted over the summer. Anyone got any recent pics? Could it have just been a lighting issue or maybe fresh brick needing some weathering?
The building was designed with two brick colors. The link below shows it in a Rendering. It's just a poor design.

http://x.lnimg.com/photo/poster_768/34dfc147d928403ab8ee594937107840.jpg
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Randomly stumbled into a Perkins + Will employee's house since I've been out in SF for the winter. Got to see a fly-through 3D video of the Almono plans and HOOOOOOOO are they nice. By far the best of the 4 mega developments going on in the city. Hope it makes the other developers sweat a bit. I guess that's what you get when you hire a real architect.
as opposed to rothschild doyno?
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Definitely a massive improvement:
you're kidding, right?

what about the fact that the proposed building looks like something out of the former soviet union - you don't have a problem with that?

every building in the neighborhood except for the church has a cornice including the new construction at east liberty place north and south





even the target has a cornice



instead of coming up with a design that fits into the existing urban fabric, the developer apparently told the architect to take the plan for the bakery square apartment building and modify it to fit on the corner of penn and highland

what about the big uproar about how the new pribanic and pribanic facade design is completely inappropriate for that part of downtown?
it's bad to insert ugly modernism downtown but okay to do it on the most prominent corner in east liberty?

and why the heck is the new facade above the historic facades being shown as blue - what does the color blue have to do with anything?

they should paint the whole building blue like the old sears where the home depot is now


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This looks great IMO.
is that meant to be sarcastic? the design looks like it belongs in stalingrad, not east liberty


here's a nice use of the color blue - in russia


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What do you mean?
I mean that if they can't figure out a way to affix 2 relatively small facades onto the new structure without eliminating 6 apartments, then that says a lot about the inexperience and lack of ability of those two firms... and they should be embarrassed to publicly admit that.

Their claim is absurd.

I have a feeling they were just using that as a cost-effectiveness bargaining chip. Though any architect/developer worth their salt would laugh in their faces.
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