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wong21fr · #**8181** Posted **Mar 2, 2015, 1:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by PLANSIT

I'll try this thread...

I think it was from the 70s/80s/maybe 90s.

PLANSIT, I do remember that plan, I think that Bunt might have posted it a few years back- or at least a couple of pages from it. I can't remember if it was something done by Denver or by RTD.

PLANSIT · #**8182** Posted **Mar 2, 2015, 5:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by wong21fr

PLANSIT, I do remember that plan, I think that Bunt might have posted it a few years back- or at least a couple of pages from it. I can't remember if it was something done by Denver or by RTD.

I can't, for the life of me, remember in what plan it was located. I'll keep digging. Thanks for the confirmation.

PLANSIT · #**8183** Posted **Mar 2, 2015, 6:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by wong21fr

PLANSIT, I do remember that plan, I think that Bunt might have posted it a few years back- or at least a couple of pages from it. I can't remember if it was something done by Denver or by RTD.

Finally, found it. It was some scanned stuff Bunt had from a RTD plan in the 80s.

HERE is the post.

Bunt, you got anymore info on downtown Denver subway plans?!

EngiNerd · #**8184** Posted **Mar 2, 2015, 6:57 PM**

Plansit, if you could get a hold of the 1986 Downtown Area Plan (probably from the Denver Library) there is some mention of a Subway down 15th between DUS and Civic Center.

Cirrus · #**8185** Posted **Mar 2, 2015, 9:16 PM**

Here's a fun what-if, looking at that 1982 map: Did the closure of Stapleton and opening of DIA cost FasTracks a Colfax line?

Wasatch Wasteland · #**8186** Posted **Mar 2, 2015, 10:32 PM**

Sorry to interrupt your discussions, but I was just curious, does Denver have any plans in the works for modern streetcar lines?

The Dirt · #**8187** Posted **Mar 2, 2015, 10:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by Cirrus

Here's a fun what-if, looking at that 1982 map: Did the closure of Stapleton and opening of DIA cost FasTracks a Colfax line?

Probably did, however, what was the impetus for the connection to the Aurora Mall? Was it really a regional destination at that time or did the word "mall" have some clout back then?

bobg · #**8188** Posted **Mar 2, 2015, 11:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Cirrus

Here's a fun what-if, looking at that 1982 map: Did the closure of Stapleton and opening of DIA cost FasTracks a Colfax line?

Not sure. With the Central Corridor completed around the same time as DIA I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to extend the LRT from 30th and Downing down an underutilized MLK pre-Fastracks had we kept Stapleton.

I am not sure the case for needing something on East Colfax was weakened that much (if at all) by Stapleton moving. It's just a harder route to tackle.

PLANSIT · #**8189** Posted **Mar 2, 2015, 11:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by Wasatch Wasteland

Sorry to interrupt your discussions, but I was just curious, does Denver have any plans in the works for modern streetcar lines?

The Central Rail Extension is probably the only current study with a Streetcar (low-floor) component/alternative. This alternative, currently, has no funding.

bunt_q · #**8190** Posted **Mar 3, 2015, 1:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by PLANSIT

Bunt, you got anymore info on downtown Denver subway plans?!

http://s33.photobucket.com/user/bbutzin/library/RTD%20Planning%20Docs

See if this link works.

Stonemans_rowJ · #**8191** Posted **Mar 3, 2015, 3:33 AM**

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Originally Posted by Scottk

The article indicates that there will not be any fixed checkpoints. If someone causes an accident / gets pulled over and has bad tires the police will write tickets with hefty fines. Seems like a good first step to me. I know I-70 will still be a clusterfuck, but this might help a little during bad weather. So many accidents are caused by cars without 4WD and proper tires.

Why not have annual inspections like every state on the east coast?

Your car doesn't pass if it has bald tires. Instead of costing the state money, it can actually raise money. In Pennsylvania where I'm from, you have the annual inspection at an approved garage. Essentially besides the paperwork side of the things, you don't need the physical infrastructure like you do for emissions testing.

seventwenty · #**8192** Posted **Mar 3, 2015, 3:33 AM**

They're up. Thanks bunt.

TakeFive · #**8193** Posted **Mar 3, 2015, 8:57 AM**

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I can't help but think many of these republican states would be more in favor of the high speed rail lines if the idea hadn't come from our evil Kenyan, Muslim, America hating president.

Absolutely true. The obligatory opposition amazes. Same with the ACA for the most part.

Even though I have great disdain for politics in general I do find it very entertaining. Sadly it is important to a degree. I did catch up to the CPAC fun over the weekend. Never guessed I'd favor another Bush running for President. At least at CPAC he seemed like the only adult in the room. Rather than just groveling he stuck to his positions. I had to be impressed.

Brainpathology · #**8194** Posted **Mar 3, 2015, 1:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by Scottk

I can't help but think many of these republican states would be more in favor of the high speed rail lines if the idea hadn't come from our evil Kenyan, Muslim, America hating president.

I don't recall George W Bush coming up with any of these ideas.. can you remind me when he did?

Cirrus · #**8195** Posted **Mar 3, 2015, 4:58 PM**

Velocirfta!

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Originally Posted by aspen times

RFTA sets ridership record in 2014

The roaring fork transportation authority reported that 4.9 million passengers were hauled on all routes last year. The prior record was set in 2008.

A number of factors played into breaking the record, said rfta chief executive officer dank blankenship. Chief among them were the strong economy, snowy roads for part of last ski season and early this season and an expanded bus-rapid-transit service.

bcp · #**8196** Posted **Mar 3, 2015, 5:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Brainpathology

I don't recall George W Bush coming up with any of these ideas.. can you remind me when he did?

don't be lazy

this information is easy to find...$284 billion via some good compromise.

"The Safe, Accountable, Flexible, Efficient Transportation Equity Act: A Legacy for Users (Public Law 109-59; SAFETEA-LU) was a funding and authorization bill that governed United States federal surface transportation spending. It was signed into law by President George W. Bush on August 10, 2005, and expired on September 30, 2009.

The $286.4 billion measure contained a host of provisions and earmarks intended to improve and maintain the surface transportation infrastructure in the United States, including the interstate highway system, transit systems around the country, bicycling and pedestrian facilities, and freight rail operations."

Wiki.

bobg · #**8197** Posted **Mar 3, 2015, 5:10 PM**

FYI they added a second ski train on 3/15 since the one on 3/14 sold out so quickly.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_276313...nter-park-ski-train-trip?source=infinite

seventwenty · #**8198** Posted **Mar 3, 2015, 5:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by bobg

FYI they added a second ski train on 3/15 since the one on 3/14 sold out so quickly.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_276313...nter-park-ski-train-trip?source=infinite

And time to speculate whether or not the Ski Train comes back for good.

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Originally Posted by Denver Post

The Colorado Rail Passenger Association last fall began lobbying Amtrak to restore weekly ski season train service between Denver and the city's Grand County ski area. The group and DeFrange convinced Amtrak executives last December to ride their California Zephyr train from Denver to the ski area. But passengers returned via bus on Interstate 70.

"The ride was plagued by low visibility and I-70 congestion, which helped to demonstrate the advantages of the train over driving," according to an association statement this week urging members to buy Ski Train tickets.

The association also enlisted Colorado's elected officials in Washington to help support the revival of the ski train. The group is proposing weekly train service in 2016, running two or three trips a week from January through March.

Magliari said Amtrak needs to survey its equipment to see if it has the locomotives and passenger cars to accommodate Ski Train service and the train operator needs to work with Union Pacific, which owns the rail line.

Amtrak also needs to think about the price of the tickets, so it's not losing money, Magliari said, noting that the $75 round-trip tickets for the March 14 seemed very popular.

In an attempt to see what else the Colorado Rail Passenger Association has said on the matter, I went to their website. It's down and 404'd. But here's the website's last update--from Dec 2014--courtesy of the Wayback Machine. I'll have to poke around a bit on Wayback to see what the group has said about Amtrak service.

PLANSIT · #**8199** Posted **Mar 3, 2015, 5:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by bunt_q

http://s33.photobucket.com/user/bbutzin/library/RTD%20Planning%20Docs

See if this link works.

Perfect. Thanks!

Cirrus · #**8200** Posted **Mar 3, 2015, 7:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by bcp

$284 billion via some good compromise... SAFETEA-LU

That was mostly Congress' doing, and at the time it was considered a basically non-controversial bipartisan keeping-the-government-functioning bill.

Congress was hardly marvelous back then, but it wasn't the complete clusterfuck of ineptitude and gridlock that it is now. SAFETEA-LU would not pass today's Congress.