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Old Posted Mar 3, 2015, 12:16 AM
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Good points!! To me, international airports and the surroundings are all about modernism and timeless design and bold architecture, these styles harmonize with peoples perceptions of travel and the jet age. This clumsy mess contrasts with that ideal in every way, what a blunder, and yes as 'whatnext' pointed out, Richmond now has it's 'fantasy garden' back.
MacArthur Glen will match this:


http://airwaysnews.com/html/airplanes-an...minal-fairmont-hotel-curbside-2012/19471
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2015, 12:50 AM
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Note an absence of single family urban sprawl between City centre and the airport, replaced by huge swaths of forested lands.
I am pretty sure the extensive forest surrounding continental Europe's busiest airport has intentionally been left uninhabited. Who would like to live under FRA landing path? I feel sorry for the people living under LHR landing path.

That office building in Frankfurt would never be allowed where the outlet mall is being constructed. It is way too tall for being directly under the landing path.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2015, 1:50 AM
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Which matches nothing and only serves to provide some distinction from the airport and some relevance to their brand.
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2015, 2:08 AM
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Haha, that "castle gate" has never bothered me. It's a fine little quirk. I would hope that the aviation control tower would be totally renewed to look something much more futuristic. The current tower is a total yuck.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2015, 2:49 AM
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The 'chibi' fairmont is cute!!
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2015, 2:49 AM
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I remember that entrance was conceived when CP Hotels was still in charge and it was meant to pay homage to the famous railway hotels across Canada. Today it doesn't accurately represent Fairmont's current global portfolio and hence makes little sense.
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I remember that entrance was conceived when CP Hotels was still in charge and it was meant to pay homage to the famous railway hotels across Canada. Today it doesn't accurately represent Fairmont's current global portfolio and hence makes little sense.
Similar line to what MacArthur Glen says is their inspiration:

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Design / Architectural style

The inspiration for McArthurGlen Designer Outlet Vancouver Airport is drawn from the regional architectural styles of Western Canada, combined with the sophisticated European style for which McArthurGlen is so renowned.

Design elements are inspired by iconic Vancouver architecture: the city's first post-office building, built in 1937 (now part of the Sinclair Centre complex), the Vancouver Rowing Club (1911), and the distinctive brick facades associated with the city's historic and vibrant Gastown district.
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Which matches nothing and only serves to provide some distinction from the airport and some relevance to their brand.
Am I the only one that thinks that the fake castle thing is pretty absurd looking? Looks like it belongs in a Zelda game or something.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2015, 5:06 AM
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This conversation is making me think we should build Skytrain stations (and/or the interior of all underground guideways) out of carved stone, medieval-style, with torches on the walls, like Bowser's Castle or something from Quake. Screw daylight! It should feel like entering a dungeon.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2015, 5:43 AM
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Am I the only one that thinks that the fake castle thing is pretty absurd looking? Looks like it belongs in a Zelda game or something.
I agree it is absurd looking. But it does not come across as being fake. Ihe architect obviously incorporated it into the design as a token element of a very modern looking building.

That mall is just an attempt to be something it is not. Disneyland or Las Vegas would be good locations for it. If it were built in Ottawa, or Toronto or the even the UK it was would be bland, dull, uninspired and just blend it. Here on the west coast it just looks out of place.

Perhaps I am being over critical. After all it is a glorified strip mall. Something that normally does not get much money put into how it looks.

Champlain mall is a good west coast looking strip-mall. (If one can call a strip-mall good.)
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2015, 5:44 AM
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This conversation is making me think we should build Skytrain stations (and/or the interior of all underground guideways) out of carved stone, medieval-style, with torches on the walls, like Bowser's Castle or something from Quake. Screw daylight! It should feel like entering a dungeon.
http://mic-ro.com/metro/phototour.html?city=Stockholm
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2015, 6:00 AM
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this outlet complex is an embarrassing piece of kitsch ...with yvr's rhetoric about being a place which expresses our place in nature, what the heck is this christmas-village aesthetic doing as a gateway to our city? I find it sickening

moreover the fake porte cochere to the fairmont falls into the same category
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2015, 6:12 AM
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Thanks, OD! The stckholm subway, as I understand, was first built in the 1950s, after the war, then new lines were added.
It was utilitarian in style then, but over the years has reached the fanciful interior design levels it has now.
Things take time.

Designs can be modified over time, few things are ever permanent disasters.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2015, 10:16 AM
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So...

Does this whole discussion about the style of the outlet mall validate Brian Jackson's comments about Vancouver architecture?

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At the core of Jackson's views is his belief that buildings either have to fit in or stand out. And not in a garish, jarring way. Vancouver, he believes, is a city with sometimes vanilla architecture that reflects a reserved, shy citizenry. Not like Toronto, where he once worked for seven years as the manager of waterfront planning.

“There they hold their head up high, they don’t know who you are, but they walk out and shake your hand and say “Hi, my name’s Bob,” he said.

“Here, everybody looks with their eyes down, watching their step so they don’t trip, but there is not as much engagement. There is not as much feeling confident about who they are as a person.”

That, he says, is exactly the case with Vancouver’s building forms and the criticism launched over the “Icepick” tower.

“I think we are very shy in terms of our architecture. We want so desperately for a building to fit in that sometimes we don’t make those gestures and those architectural expressions that means that the building stands out. And when we do, when we try it, there is a lot of criticism,” he said.

“That is always our struggle in Vancouver. Do you want something that fits in really well, or do you want something that stands out?”

Welcome, then, to Brian Jackson’s Vancouver, where he loves striking buildings, parks and open spaces that use form and fit to make their marks. There are, to be sure, what he calls “background buildings” that make up the streetscape and fill a use. “Sometimes a two-storey building is just a two-storey building.”

But what he loves, and what he tries to imprint on the city, is a sense of purpose and meaning in every signature building or public open space.

It is that tension between fitting in and standing out that needs to be achieved. I think the kind of buildings I will be showing you today achieve that tension,” he said.

Naturally predisposed to being positive, Jackson’s list of best easily outweighs his list of worst. It is easy to find bad examples of design and architecture, he says, but he wanted to show more those that he thinks adds to that peculiar word, “Vancouverism”.

Surprisingly, his initial list of likes and dislikes did not include some of the city’s landmarks that very well define “Vancouverism”. The art deco Marine Building, the Hotel Vancouver, the repurposed old courthouse, the Dominion building, even City Hall, weren’t on his tour, although he talked about some of them later.

“That’s because they are icons that would be at the top of everybody’s list,” he said. “They’re still my favourites, but I wanted to show you other buildings that I admire.”

The argument that what makes good architecture and what doesn’t is ageless, but often seasoned and changed by time.

“(In) the modernist movement, there were a number of buildings that were built post war that people hated. The Queen Elizabeth Theatre was one. The old library on Burrard, and the B.C. Electric building,” Jackson said. “Those were all modern expressions of architecture that were not embraced, were not accepted, and were roundly criticized for taking a different approach to what people at that time determined what was then ‘Vancouverism’, which was a lot of stone and a lot of brick.”

Vancouverism can also be found in the postwar bungalows of the east side, the boxy Vancouver specials of the 1970s, the monster houses of Kerrisdale of the 1980s, and tall condo towers of the 1990s and 2000s that line the north shore of False Creek.

Jackson points to Vancouver’s art deco period as having a major influence.

“There are a number of prewar buildings that add to our skyline and remind us where we’ve come from. They also remind us of the pride people used to take in their buildings in terms of detail and the expense they went to to build these incredible structures”

Asked if he thinks that pride doesn’t exist anymore, he says today’s builders and architects could take a page from their predecessors. “I think it does exist, but it does compete with corporate bottom line,” he says.
http://www.vancouversun.com/Brian+Jackson+Vancouver/10849244/story.html

I suppose the conclusion is that MacArthur Glen could have gone with the corporate bottom line and built a cookie cutter outlet mall
like the Seattle Premium Outlets (which if you know the chain, looks like any other Premium Outlet Mall with open passages and a fabric or other canopy over a food court area) or like any one of the SmartCentres plazas.

This is new construction on an empty field - so there's nothing to "fit in" with.
And they probably wanted something that would stand out - and not look be mistaken for the Canada Post sorting plant
or another industrial warehouse that's a square box with few West Coast parallam and glass canopies.

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Old Posted Mar 3, 2015, 11:21 AM
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So...

Does this whole discussion about the style of the outlet mall validate Brian Jackson's comments about Vancouver architecture?

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I suppose the conclusion is that MacArthur Glen could have gone with the corporate bottom line and built a cookie cutter outlet mall
like the Seattle Premium Outlets (which if you know the chain, looks like any other Premium Outlet Mall with open passages and a fabric or other canopy over a food court area) or like any one of the SmartCentres plazas.

This is new construction on an empty field - so there's nothing to "fit in" with.
And they probably wanted something that would stand out - and not look be mistaken for the Canada Post sorting plant
or another industrial warehouse that's a square box with few West Coast parallam and glass canopies.
It is better than the average outlet mall and vanilla warehouse space. I will give him that. I also appreciate that the architect is going to be constrained by the pocket book of the property owner.

The weird castle entrance on the hotel at the airport terminal stands out because it is a unique design.

The outlet mall stands out because it is a cookie cutter outlet mall in Eastern Canada or the UK. Perhaps it will look better when it is finished. If was a fusion of west coast design and the brick from then it might have went over better. Perhaps once it has trees and is finished it will look better.

As a side note I find the area around most North American airport kind of bland and usually consisting of rows of cookie cutter 4 story mid priced business hotel. In are case the Delta that is on the same island as the airport has a fairly unique design. The idea of putting an outlet mall there is also different.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 4, 2015, 12:10 AM
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The main entrance to the outlet mall is supposed to resemble the "chateau" hotel style.
Quality of the materials will determine whether it works or not - but it's also supposed to have lots of trees.
     
     
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Wow this looks horrible
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2015, 1:45 AM
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Officedweller - couldn't agree more. The design of the outlet mall was obviously meant to stand out as a destination, even at the risk of being considered 'kitsch'. If people were expecting some kind of subdued westcoast inspired centre that you can't tell what it is, that possibility was never even on the table.

At the end of the day, I don't think it will look that bad with trees in place etc.
     
     
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i kind of like the original 1968 tower myself. i wish they had kept it and used it for something, anything.

image from pacific blasting

i wish YVR would have something truly unique for its tower since the airport is known to be one of the nicer ones around.
     
     
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Would like some anecdotes from frequent flyers, since I haven't flown out of YVR for a long time.

What flights do most Vancouverites take if they want to get to the Middle East/North Africa, Sub-Saharan Africa, the Indian subcontinent or Southeast Asia?

The only one I know for sure is Indians take the late night CX889 to HKG then continue on to Delhi, and that's because I saw a lot of Indians at the Cathay check in line.
     
     
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