YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Were you being sarcastic?

Mais oui!!

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by excel

That's good news.

Are the AC equipment changes from 767 - 787 a decrease in overall capacity like JAL's was?

No, the opposite.

AC's 763s seat 211 pax and the 788s seat 251 pax.

That's close to a 20% increase in capacity per flight.

[excel]

Awesome! So overall that's quite the capacity increase to Seoul between AC and KE this year.

[Hourglass]

YVR Jan stats are out, and the growth continues, albeit at a slower rate. Highlights:

Overall growth compared to Jan '14 of 3.7%
- Domestic flat at 0.5%
- Total international up by 7%, including growth in Transborder (up a whopping 14.7%) and Europe (up 14.1%). Asia was down by 5.5%.

Cargo also continued its growth, up 12.6%

Really strong Europe and Transborder growth figures. Will be interesting to see if it continues.

[zahav]

United has updated their summer scheds again (they love their updates). I haven't gone through each day, but highlights include:
-Newark has been loaded in, 1 daily A319
-All 4 daily Chicago flights now operated by A320, rather than mix of A319 and A320
-Houston flights now operated by 2 daily 737-800 and 1 737-900 (this will be the 2nd 737-900 for the summer now, Alaska will use one on their LAX run)
-Denver will see 2 daily A320 and 1 daily CR-700 (used to be 2 A319 and 1 CRJ-700)
-San Francisco sees a big gain, now up to 5 daily. 4 A320s and 1 daily 737-700

Overall each city has a notable capacity increase, they must be seeing fuller loads (its likely, considering last year, and January's huge transborder increases)

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Hourglass

YVR Jan stats are out, and the growth continues, albeit at a slower rate. Highlights:

Overall growth compared to Jan '14 of 3.7%
- Domestic flat at 0.5%
- Total international up by 7%, including growth in Transborder (up a whopping 14.7%) and Europe (up 14.1%). Asia was down by 5.5%.

Cargo also continued its growth, up 12.6%

Really strong Europe* and Transborder growth figures. Will be interesting to see if it continues.

* I wanna see what if any effect the arrival of Air France will bring to bear on this. One month, they'll be at YVR.

[Valley_Refugee]

Originally Posted by zahav

United has updated their summer scheds again (they love their updates). I haven't gone through each day, but highlights include:
-Newark has been loaded in, 1 daily A319
-All 4 daily Chicago flights now operated by A320, rather than mix of A319 and A320
-Houston flights now operated by 2 daily 737-800 and 1 737-900 (this will be the 2nd 737-900 for the summer now, Alaska will use one on their LAX run)
-Denver will see 2 daily A320 and 1 daily CR-700 (used to be 2 A319 and 1 CRJ-700)
-San Francisco sees a big gain, now up to 5 daily. 4 A320s and 1 daily 737-700

Overall each city has a notable capacity increase, they must be seeing fuller loads (its likely, considering last year, and January's huge transborder increases)

For what anecdotal evidence is worth, I recently flew UA YVR-IAH on my way to MEX and back through SFO and both YVR legs were jam packed.

[whatnext]

A shot I took of the Macarthur Glen project from the back. Hard to see how they could be ready for a Spring 2015 opening. I'm surprised they finished the rear to such a high degree, as very few people will drive that far down Grauer Road.

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[Large Cat]

Originally Posted by whatnext

A shot I took of the Macarthur Glen project from the back. Hard to see how they could be ready for a Spring 2015 opening. I'm surprised they finished the rear to such a high degree, as very few people will drive that far down Grauer Road.

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They have to finish all parts of it...people from the air will be watching!

Any development that doesn't just put in a facade on a single side is doing well in my books.

[SFUVancouver]

I'm getting a vaguely 'Back to the Future' vibe from the building with the small clock tower.

[casper]

Originally Posted by Large Cat

They have to finish all parts of it...people from the air will be watching!

Any development that doesn't just put in a facade on a single side is doing well in my books.

That architecture just looks out of place. Not a very west-coast look. I would have expected to see that style in Ottawa, Montreal or London Ontario.

[Large Cat]

Originally Posted by casper

That architecture just looks out of place. Not a very west-coast look. I would have expected to see that style in Ottawa, Montreal or London Ontario.

Undoubtedly.

[connect2source]

It's a rather appalling and awkward 'disneylandish' eyesore and ruins the whole look of the approach to YVR. It should have been done in a modernist style and now were stuck with this hideous blight forever! YUCK!! It bears no reference to our local style of design and makes absolutely no sense!!

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by connect2source

It's a rather appalling and awkward 'disneylandish' eyesore and ruins the whole look of the approach to YVR. It should have been done in a modernist style and now were stuck with this hideous blight forever! YUCK!! It bears no reference to our local style of design and makes absolutely no sense!!

I wasn't able to get a good shot of the two entry buildings, but Disneylandish was a perfect description for them. It kind of reminds me of a very large Fantasy Gardens.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by whatnext

A shot I took of the Macarthur Glen project from the back. Hard to see how they could be ready for a Spring 2015 opening. I'm surprised they finished the rear to such a high degree, as very few people will drive that far down Grauer Road.

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Thanks for the photo! Had been waiting to see someone post an update on this for a while.
There looks to be columns for a covered pedestrian walkway at the back of these structures. I guess the areas behind would be utilised as well (possibly park or smoking areas?). Hence the back portion also needs detailing, as found in other outlet malls elsewhere.

Originally Posted by casper

That architecture just looks out of place. Not a very west-coast look. I would have expected to see that style in Ottawa, Montreal or London Ontario.

Put in a few Vancouver Specials?

Agree the architecture isn't very Vancouverish from this angle, although I remember seeing the rendering with the entrance having architecture similar to that of Hotel Vancouver. Styles from Gastown or even avant garde modern would be way nicer. Also would prefer seeing more concrete/steel/glass rather than just wood frame. Using wood frame just makes the colony of buildings look cheap like a cowboy film set. Also, I am thinking there would be quite a lot of extra woodframe sound insulation since this is right at the airport. Frequent vibrations can also be felt with airplanes landing and taking off overhead.

[connect2source]

Good points!! To me, international airports and the surroundings are all about modernism and timeless design and bold architecture, these styles harmonize with peoples perceptions of travel and the jet age. This clumsy mess contrasts with that ideal in every way, what a blunder, and yes as 'whatnext' pointed out, Richmond now has it's 'fantasy garden' back.

Just look at this incredible building adjacent to Frankfurt Airport, The Squaire containing offices, two hotels and the high-speed long-distance rail station for the ICE Trains.

Photo From : Google Maps Panoramio
Direct Link to Photo : http://www.panoramio.com/photo/51098017

[osirisboy]

When it's finished no one will see any of the wood framing. The brick from what I can see looks pretty decent. When it's finished it should look like solid brick/stone buildings. Hopefully. I like this. I'm sick of everything trying to be modern. Glass and concrete? We have enough of that. It's like park royal village. I much prefer the original part versus the newer modern addition

[Vin]

Originally Posted by connect2source

Good points!! To me, international airports and the surroundings are all about modernism and timeless design and bold architecture, these styles harmonize with peoples perceptions of travel and the jet age. This clumsy mess contrasts with that ideal in every way, what a blunder, and yes as 'whatnext' pointed out, Richmond now has it's 'fantasy garden' back.

Just look at this incredible building adjacent to Frankfurt Airport, The Squaire containing offices, two hotels and the high-speed long-distance rail station for the ICE Trains.

Photo From : Google Maps Panoramio
Direct Link to Photo : http://www.panoramio.com/photo/51098017

I think this is too space age for the folks here. Nimbys and critics would come up with anything against such a design, such as "This cruise ship building does not represent the culture of rail travel."

But I gotta give it to the Europeans to come up with something bold and modern.

[connect2source]

Frankfurt Airport is massive and a on scale not similar to YVR so this building ties in well, I was there personally two weeks ago and the materials on Squaire are outstanding and it's far more impressive in person.

The nimbys here should be far more concerned with crap 'faux-heritage' which never looks good, ages horribly and is better suited to an outlet mall 100km outside a city in the middle of a field and not in a highly visible almost urban setting....as opposed to a bold, cutting-edge complex of high design and architectural merit like Squaire.

Here's a photo to better display context, I think it ties in just a little better than MacArthur Glen.

Source : www.fraport.com

[Vin]

Note an absence of single family urban sprawl between City centre and the airport, replaced by huge swaths of forested lands.