Speech pattern and typographical variations across Canada - Page 81

lio45 · #**1601** Posted **Feb 27, 2015, 4:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

So your name is Lio Grimaldi?

That's a Corsican family, right? (Corsican names also sound Italian too.)

But yeah, as you know, though nowadays there's a clear dimension-less border between France and Italy, in terms of culture and language it has always been a kind of continuum. (But of course less and less so now that there's a border there and with modern communications each country's own main cultural sphere extends all the way to it.)

The patois niçois (which last I was there only a few ancient old people could still speak) is mutally intelligible with both French and Italian to a degree... and I am sure it's very very mutually intelligible with the patois spoken in Piedmont (Torino, Italy) and Liguria (coast, Italy).

Acajack · #**1602** Posted **Feb 27, 2015, 4:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by lio45

That's a Corsican family, right? (Corsican names also sound Italian too.)

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I don't know. I was just joking around because it's the surname of the royal family in Monaco!

lio45 · #**1603** Posted **Feb 27, 2015, 5:01 PM**

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I don't know. I was just joking around because it's the surname of the royal family in Monaco!

Much closer to home for both of us, there's the CBC Grimaldi family too that's kinda well known... thought you were referring to them.

And yes, Monaco surnames (the original ones) are Italian-sounding too.

And if I were Monaco royalty, I'd have fled the place anyway. Too crowded. I prefer North America.

Acajack · #**1604** Posted **Feb 27, 2015, 6:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by lio45

Much closer to home for both of us, there's the CBC Grimaldi family too that's kinda well known... thought you were referring to them.
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Ah yes... "Ici Radio-Grimaldi", from an RBO sketch!

SignalHillHiker · #**1605** Posted **Feb 27, 2015, 8:45 PM**

That was all really fun to read. Thanks, guys.

Another cute example... tinned versus canned.

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Alas, as winter draws nigh, the selection of fresh local produce grows meagre. Does this mean one should consider frozen or tinned veggies?

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I do occasionally buy veggies from the can and freezer sections, but it's hard to compare the prices. Frozen vegetables are bagged by weight, vegetables in tins are measured by volume and a portion of that volume is liquid.

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First, prompted by a fellow cheapskate and Morning Show listener, I decided to check out tinned tomatoes to see if we were getting more liquid in those cans than actual tomatoes.

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Since I was doing all that comparing, I bought a couple of varieties of tinned peas and carrots, waxed beans and chickpeas. I strained them and weighed what was left, just to see if any brands gave you more vegetables.

etc.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundla...ate-pre-cut-fruits-and-veggies-1.2940267

Acajack · #**1606** Posted **Feb 27, 2015, 8:55 PM**

Francine Grimaldi. The name goes with the image, doesn't it...

BTW, before someone asks that's not a Muslim hijab at all. Pantoute!

kwoldtimer · #**1607** Posted **Feb 27, 2015, 9:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Francine Grimaldi. The name goes with the image, doesn't it...

BTW, before someone asks that's not a Muslim hijab at all. Pantoute!

Thank goodness! One would hate to see her kicked out of a Quebec courtroom!

SignalHillHiker · #**1608** Posted **Feb 27, 2015, 9:04 PM**

Acajack · #**1609** Posted **Feb 27, 2015, 9:05 PM**

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Thank goodness! One would hate to see her kicked out of a Quebec courtroom!

You haven't heard the end of that one, trust me!

kwoldtimer · #**1610** Posted **Feb 27, 2015, 9:14 PM**

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You haven't heard the end of that one, trust me!

I feel that's a safe bet. The Mop and Pail has already posted a withering op-ed on line. The writer, a Toronto criminal lawyer, dared to use the word "un-Canadian" (and not in reference to the woman wearing the hijab).

Lio, get out the "spaghetti-strainer", you may need it!

SignalHillHiker · #**1611** Posted **Feb 27, 2015, 9:15 PM**

These are the times when being Canadian is fun. It makes it more interesting to watch from afar than, say Republican/Democrat BS in the U.S.

Acajack · #**1612** Posted **Feb 27, 2015, 9:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

I feel that's a safe bet. The Mop and Pail has already posted a withering op-ed on line. The writer, a Toronto criminal lawyer, dared to use the word "un-Canadian" (and not in reference to the woman wearing the hijab).

Lio, get out the "spaghetti-strainer", you may need it!

I am sure that many in Quebec will be moooooved by being characterized as "un-Canadian"!

As an aside, isn't it a bit scary to have a newspaper categorize such things as "Canadian" and "un-Canadian"?

BTW, you guys might find interesting (or not, not sure) that the court proceedings in question were talking place in English, in Montreal.

kwoldtimer · #**1613** Posted **Feb 27, 2015, 10:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

I am sure that many in Quebec will be moooooved by being characterized as "un-Canadian"!

As an aside, isn't it a bit scary to have a newspaper categorize such things as "Canadian" and "un-Canadian"?

BTW, you guys might find interesting (or not, not sure) that the court proceedings in question were talking place in English, in Montreal.

That is why I pointed it out, as it is so unusual. Keep in mind, however, that it was an op-ed, not the G&M's own editorial. In this particular case, however, I believe the writer called it correctly in that he was basing his opinion on the Canadian Charter.

The irony (one of many) of this judge's foolishness is that there has never , as far as I know, been any prohibition or inappropriateness attached to headwear worn by women in a Canadian court (although a gentleman must remove his hat). At one time any well-dressed woman could have worn her hat in court with no problem. No more, I guess.

Edit: Is it reasonable to think that this matter will be resolved by finding another Quebec judge would will allow this woman to state her case while wearing her hijab? It seems unlikely to me that the judge herself or the judiciary as a whole will challenge the first judge's absolute discretion to determine what constitutes appropriate appearance in her own courtroom, no matter how wrong she was.

SignalHillHiker · #**1614** Posted **Feb 28, 2015, 1:26 PM**

From an American magazine's coverage of Newfoundland during WWII.

kwoldtimer · #**1615** Posted **Feb 28, 2015, 1:53 PM**

SHH, is the Newfoundland "ye" pronounced as the old "yee" or is it "yuh"?

SignalHillHiker · #**1616** Posted **Feb 28, 2015, 1:55 PM**

We have both. I'd write "yuh" as "ya" and it could only refer to a single person. So, KW, what are ya at? I'd write "yee" as "ye" and it'd always be plural. So, SSPers, what are ye at?

As an side: I'm surprised "thee" and "thou" were still common enough that the American article mentioned them. They definitely do not exist in common usage today. And I can't think of any context in which they'd be the go-to, normal term except in certain curses/blessings or songs.

kwoldtimer · #**1617** Posted **Feb 28, 2015, 2:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker

We have both. I'd write "yuh" as "ya" and it could only refer to a single person. So, KW, what are ya at? I'd write "yee" as "ye" and it'd always be plural. So, SSPers, what are ye at?

As an side: I'm surprised "thee" and "thou" were still common enough that the American article mentioned them. They definitely do not exist in common usage today. And I can't think of any context in which they'd be the go-to, normal term except in certain curses or songs.

That would make "yuh/ya" something that's partly shared - At least in Ontario, the third person can by either "U" or "yuh", depending on the context or the speaker. Eg "How ARE yuh?" "I'm fine thanks, how are YOU?" Here it would be much the same in the plural, although complicated by the (thankfully not that common) "yuz" or (even rarer) "youze".

SignalHillHiker · #**1618** Posted **Feb 28, 2015, 2:08 PM**

Wow, yeah. I never consciously realized you could never say "ya" back as in your example, "Good thanks, and you?".

Saying "ya" there sounds just as bizarre to me.

You could say "ye" back, though, if the initial greeting you received was on behalf of a group, say a couple coming for tea.

lio45 · #**1619** Posted **Mar 1, 2015, 3:12 AM**

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

(although a gentleman must remove his hat).

But that's the purest form of sexism! I am forced to remove my pasta strainer but a lady can keep her pasta strainer in the exact same circumstances just because she happens to have the correct gender?

That kind of discrimination is normally not allowed in Canada at all.

kwoldtimer · #**1620** Posted **Mar 1, 2015, 3:33 AM**

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Originally Posted by lio45

But that's the purest form of sexism! I am forced to remove my pasta strainer but a lady can keep her pasta strainer in the exact same circumstances just because she happens to have the correct gender?

That kind of discrimination is normally not allowed in Canada at all.

It's not discrimination, lio, it's etiquette! I think the rules for pasta strainers are slightly different than for proper hats, at least in the case of women (seriously!). Sadly, it's a bit of a lost art to know when it's appropriate to keep a hat on and when it should be removed (witness the many boys and men who sit in restaurants with the strainers perched on their heads, the swine!). Another longstanding example - a woman may leave her hat on, or even feel obliged to cover her head, in church, while a man must remove his hat.