LeBreton Flats 2.0 (RendezVous LeBreton) | Cancelled

[Rob64]

Originally Posted by loga0082

Lebreton flats redevelopment
Silvia Logan
February 25, 2015
I have heard about the Lebreton flats redevelopment plan. I have heard that they were going to put a hockey arena. They were also thinking of putting an inside or outside concert. I know that they were thinking of including condos, retail, and a green space. The LRT is supposed to pass by Lebreton flats. Four of the groups were thinking about putting cultural institutions. Are they by chance going to put a new movie theatre?

loga0082

Hi Sylvia,

You love the cinema - I share your love for movie theaters!

[rocketphish]

Devcore president opens up about LeBreton Flats redevelopment bid

Don Butler, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: February 26, 2015, Last Updated: February 26, 2015 7:16 AM EST

The LeBreton Flats team headed by Gatineau developer Devcore includes two of Canada’s top builders and three powerhouse architectural firms, Devcore’s president revealed Wednesday. And, said Jean-Pierre Poulin, its project won’t require a dime of taxpayer’s money.

Poulin’s comments came as Windmill Developments, the company behind a proposed $1.2-billion residential, retail and commercial community on the former Domtar lands, confirmed that it is one of the partners in RendezVous LeBreton, a competing team led by the Ottawa Senators that wants to build a new downtown arena on LeBreton Flats.

Both teams were among four invited last week by the National Capital Commission to submit detailed project designs and financial proposals for a 9.3-hectare parcel of vacant land in LeBreton Flats. A further 12.1 hectares could also be made available if required.

Until now, the full composition of Devcore’s team had not been revealed. But Poulin lifted the veil Wednesday in an interview with the Citizen.

As previously reported, the team includes Montreal developer Broccolini. But it also includes Pomerleau, Quebec’s largest construction firm, and three A-list architects: Richard Brisbin of BBB Architects in Ottawa, Claude Provencher, co-founder of Provencher-Roy, the largest architectural firm in Quebec, and Moriyama & Teshima, the firm that designed the Canadian War Memorial.

Brisbin’s firm is designing Ottawa’s light rail transit stations and designed such landmarks as the Ottawa Convention Centre, Lansdowne Park’s commercial components and Ottawa’s international airport.

Provencher is a decorated architect who is considered one of the fathers of the new urban architecture that emerged in Canada in the late 1970s. He’s also a former vice-chair of the NCC’s advisory committee on planning, design and realty.

In addition to the war museum, Moriyama & Teshima designed Ottawa’s city hall and the University of Ottawa’s Desmarais Building.

Broccolini brings expertise in large projects. In Ottawa, its projects include the Export Development Canada building at 150 Slater St., Telus House, Cathedral Hill condos and the Maplesoft Cancer Centre. Pomerleau was the general contractor for $136 million in work at Lansdowne Park.

“It’s really the team that makes the difference,” Poulin said, “and we were able to gather one of the best teams out there.”

Devcore’s proposal involves multiple museums and cultural institutions built around a “grande allée,” green spaces and commercial and residential development. Every component will generate revenue, meaning the proposal is financially sustainable, Poulin said.

“The way we package it all is very, very interesting, and it’s profitable. We’re not going to require any public funds.”

Rather than a single large anchor attraction, Devcore is proposing a “series of main components,” Poulin said. Its proposal also includes a lot of “public realm,” he said. “We feel that most parts of LeBreton Flats should go back to Canadians.”

With files from Elizabeth Payne.

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http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news...p-about-lebreton-flats-redevelopment-bid

[loga0082]

Originally Posted by rocketphish

[B]Devcore president opens up about LeBreton Flats redevelopment bid

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news...p-about-lebreton-flats-redevelopment-bid

That sounds interesting to me. Maybe the museum of Science should be put at Lebreton flats. Nit would make sense because it will be close to the War museum. What other cultural institutions can go at LeBreton flats?

Loga0082

[waterloowarrior]

* = Confirmed

Team A: Claridge Homes
-Claridge Homes *
-First Capital Realty
-Main and Main Developments
-Urban Strategies *

Team B: Devcore Group
-Devcore Group*
-Broccolini*
-Pomerleau Construction*
-Moriyama & Teshima*
-BBB Architects*
-Provencher-Roy*

Team C: Focus Equities
-Focus Equities*
-Jan Gehl*
-DIALOG*
-International organization

Team D: Rendez Vous LeBreton Group
-Senators Sports & Entertainment *
-Trinity Development Group
-Windmill Developments*
-Rossetti*

Team E: Disqualified
-Unknown

Other potential participants (from site visit list)... Many of the firms are multi-disciplinary (e.g. IBI has architects, planners, and engineers) but I just put them in one category.

Developers: Brigil, Brickland Timberlay, Mastercraft Starwood, Minto
Architects: mecanoo, Perkins + Will, architectsAlliance, GRC, HOK, IBI, Barry Padolsky, HDR, , NORR, CSW Landscape Architects
Planners: FoTenn, Paquette Planning, DCarr Community Solutions, CIMA, Parataxis Design and Development Corporation
Engineers, building consultants, real estate, project managers: AECOM, _bpa, Cleland Jarndine Engineering, GBA, Golder, Morrison Hershfield, Jones Lang LaSalle, WSP
Construction: RW Tomlinson, Ron Engineering and Construction, PCL
Other: NEWSEUM Inc.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by loga0082

That sounds interesting to me. Maybe the museum of Science should be put at Lebreton flats. Nit would make sense because it will be close to the War museum. What other cultural institutions can go at LeBreton flats?

Loga0082

Two other cultural institutions mentioned (don't know which group(s) proposed it) are a new Central Ottawa Public Library and a new National Archives to replace the 1967 building on Wellington.

[loga0082]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Two other cultural institutions mentioned (don't know which group(s) proposed it) are a new Central Ottawa Public Library and a new National Archives to replace the 1967 building on Wellington.

I did read somewhere a few months ago that they were thinking of building a central public library in Lebreton flats. I have passed the National Archives of Canada when I was walking to the Canadian War Museum. Those buildings should be constructed in a Lebreton flats because the ones downtown are getting sort of old and scruffy. M

Loga0082

[waterloowarrior]

Sens' arena architect going for a neighbourhood fit
http://www.ottawasun.com/2015/02/26/sens-arena-architect-going-for-a-neighbourhood-fit

TLDR: Same architect as CTC

http://www.rossetti.com/

[danishh]

the interesting part to me is rosetti's comments about modern arenas being bloated.

Sounds like the sens are going to be economical in terms of the actual arena. That should also be comforting to anyone still afraid (despite leeder's comments) that they are going to be asking for any public money. My best bet would be something like the current palladium, just located downtown - concrete finishes everywhere, no unnecessary luxuries, just letting hockey be the attraction. This should be encouraging to the average sens fan, as designing the arena to chase millionaires and luxury suite buyers will mean pricing out the average Ottawan.

[AuxTown]

Just as long as the exterior isn't UGLY! It can be cheap/functional but it doesn't have to be butt ugly like the current sidescraper that is the CTC. I remember when it was under construction I was like "this building is going to be sick when it is all done, I wonder what kind of cladding they will put on the upper portion to cover that orange siding?".....

[loga0082]

Originally Posted by danishh

the interesting part to me is rosetti's comments about modern arenas being bloated.

Sounds like the sens are going to be economical in terms of the actual arena. That should also be comforting to anyone still afraid (despite leeder's comments) that they are going to be asking for any public money. My best bet would be something like the current palladium, just located downtown - concrete finishes everywhere, no unnecessary luxuries, just letting hockey be the attraction. This should be encouraging to the average sens fan, as designing the arena to chase millionaires and luxury suite buyers will mean pricing out the average Ottawan.

To me, it will be far more convenient to put the hockey arena in Lebreton flats. The Canadian Tire Centre is too far out in Kanata, especially those who live downtown. I do not like the Lansdowne park location either. Lebreton flats is closer to downtown than Lansdowne park. Maybe LeBreton flats will improve once it is completely constructed.

Loga0082

[Kitchissippi]

Are there any NHL arenas that have great street presence? I can't think of one. All of them seem bunker-like with at most a token bar at ground level. I hope they will think outside the box.

[rocketphish]

Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

Sens' arena architect going for a neighbourhood fit
http://www.ottawasun.com/2015/02/26/sens-arena-architect-going-for-a-neighbourhood-fit

TLDR: Same architect as CTC

http://www.rossetti.com/

Sens' arena architect going for a neighbourhood fit

By Jon Willing, Ottawa Sun
First posted: Thursday, February 26, 2015 07:54 PM EST | Updated: Thursday, February 26, 2015 08:10 PM EST

The U.S. design firm working on the arena portion of the Ottawa Senators' proposal for Lebreton Flats aims to tailor a building that fits comfortably into the surroundings.

"It's going to be very much an integrated, contextual design because there are designs that look like they could be in any city, anywhere, and then there are designs that fit into neighbourhood and community," Matt Rossetti, president and CEO of Rossetti, said in an interview with the Sun Thursday.

"The hallmark of our design is that it's all about the neighbourhood and all about the community that we're designing in."

The Sens bid team is called RendezVous, which also includes Ottawa firm Windmill Development Group. RendezVous is on a shortlist established by the National Capital Commission to compete for the flats redevelopment. Claridge Homes, Devcore Group and Focus Equities are the other three shortlisted group leaders.

The Detroit-based Rossetti architectural firm also designed the Canadian Tire Centre -- or The Palladium, as it was known when it opened in 1996.

Rossetti remembered starting the design of the Canadian Tire Centre in 1991 and noted how arena design has changed "pretty dramatically."

"These were still pretty simple buildings that were being built for $75 million-$80 million," Rossetti said. "Look at arenas today, (they) are anywhere between $400 million and $600 million. They have gone from 550,000 sq. ft., 600,000 sq. ft. to 1 million sq. ft., so they've gotten bigger, they've gotten filled with way nicer finishes, more premium product, more variety of premium product, two and three concourses instead of one concourse. Just bloated, in my opinion."

The Rossetti firm has an impressive resume of international design work that includes NHL arenas, baseball stadiums and soccer stadiums.

Rossetti said the local market also informs his firm's designs.

"You look at the demographic, not just the demographic of the fan, but the demographic of the corporate market," Rossetti explained. "The depth of the corporate market (in Ottawa) is nothing like Toronto or Vancouver or Calgary because the government market is obviously the major element there and they can't sponsor and they can't buy suites, so it's tough."

Rossetti said his firm consults with the public on its design "but not in a direct manner."

"There's tons of polling and screening that goes on that we learn the public's impression, opinion, trends, that sort of thing," he said.

As for what he has in mind for the Flats, Rossetti declined to go into detail.

"Unfortunately, as you can imagine, we're in a very sensitive period in the process and there's not much I can say yet," Rossetti said. "It won't be long that we can shed some light on it, though."

Twitter: @JonathanWilling

http://www.ottawasun.com/2015/02/26/sens-arena-architect-going-for-a-neighbourhood-fit

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[eemy]

The John Labatt Centre Budweiser Gardens (ugh) in London does a fairly good job, though it would be better if they were able to have street-facing retail on the ground level as well.

[gjhall]

Originally Posted by jeremy_haak

The John Labatt Centre Budweiser Gardens (ugh) in London does a fairly good job, though it would be better if they were able to have street-facing retail on the ground level as well.

The Verizon Center isn't perfect but does a pretty good job at this. At street level you don't immediately notice you are walking next to a arena.

[phil235]

[QUOTE=gjhall;6931492]The Verizon Center isn't perfect but does a pretty good job at this. At street level you don't immediately notice you are walking next to a arena.

I was going to say the same. The Verizon Centre is a good example of street presence. I think there are others. Columbus is quite good, as are the Prudential Centre in Newark and the Barclay's Centre (though it is basically on an island of its own). I don't find the Bell Centre to be bad, and at least on the Maple Leaf Square side, the ACC is pretty decent as well.

[loga0082]

Originally Posted by gjhall

The Verizon Center isn't perfect but does a pretty good job at this. At street level you don't immediately notice you are walking next to a arena.

They should make the new hockey arena at Lebreton flats similar to the Verizon Centre in London. It will stick out well in Lebreton flats, since this area is close to downtown Ottawa.

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[OTSkyline]

To me, technically, the CTC doesn't have a horrible street presence as it does have doors and (some) windows all around the arena.. Some entrances, some for restaurants entrances, some for the physiotheraphy and offices etc... It's not like its 100% concrete/brick walls all around with only 1 main entrance and everything else (like restaurants and such) only accessible from inside..


Plop the CTC down in Lebreton/Bayview with streets, sidewalks and other buildings surrounding it and it sure wouldn't look or feel as bad as it does now.. Of course, there is always room for improvements (which I hope we will see in the proposal).

[Luker]

Originally Posted by jeremy_haak

The John Labatt Centre Budweiser Gardens (ugh) in London does a fairly good job, though it would be better if they were able to have street-facing retail on the ground level as well.

Born in London Ontario and often visit and this was my first thought as well as soon as I read a 'neighborhood' fit, I couldn't think of a better of example. It is however a mid-sized arena (largest in OHL) at a max of about 10K, so the scale of the building may also aid in it's fit into the traditional main street in downtown London.

http://www.gotsaga.com/index.php/Media/showPhoto/filename/d620e07bbb9c65c64ca4214e20449039.jpg

[J.OT13]

CTV interview with Cyril Leeder regarding the reason's behind the proposed move downtown.

http://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.2255652

[citydwlr]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

CTV interview with Cyril Leeder regarding the reason's behind the proposed move downtown.

http://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.2255652

This interview was pretty interesting. The extended interview at the same link has a few more good insights. Leeder kept referring to the Edmonton arena as setting the bar for arenas in the NHL. As it turns out Rossetti proposed a concept for that arena and district, but it seems like the concept was ditched in favour of one designed by 360 Architects (now part of HOK). In any case, I'm assuming that's what their vision is - something like the Edmonton Arena District.