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Jeez, at the rate the Colts are going they'll be the first team to be capable of playing in both leagues
Indianapolis Colts’ general manager Ryan Grigson is not shy about discussing his love for the Canadian Football League.

“There’s nobody (else) that goes out of their way for that league in terms of making them comfortable (when player personnel directors or scouts) come to visit our camp,” he told me. “We really treat those guys well because we want to maintain a great relationship with that league because it has served us well.”

The Colts have had a long history of signing CFL talent, including the likes of Mike Vanderjagt, Nick Harper, Kenton Keith, John Chick, Jerrell Freeman, Justin Hickman, Sam Giguere, Dan Federkeil and Henoc Muamba, to mention a few. The late Cal Murphy, a longtime CFL head coach with stops in Winnipeg and Saskatchewan, worked for the Colts for several years as a scout, in particular monitoring the CFL for talent. Grigson, who played briefly in the CFL with the Toronto Argonauts before embarking on a player personnel career, worked for Murphy scouting NFL talent in 1998.

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“From being up there and being in the Arena League, I knew what skills (CFL players) had. They play in space and I knew the import offensive lineman was going to be an athletic one, so I took bits and pieces of that and kind of filed it away. It’s not having a discriminatory feel for another league. Sometimes that gets in the way of other teams possibly looking at a guy because they can’t really project him in our league. They look at the (formation) or how the game is played and it looks too outlandish for them, so they can’t really put their stamp on it because it doesn’t look the same as the American game. At the same time, I always look at it that that’s the way our game is trending down here. You love to have linebackers that can play in space.
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Geez Taman. The CFL can now sell itself to players as a viable point of entry into the NFL. There are ex-CFLers becoming NFL starters every season now. You have something that these guys coming out of the NCAA want. Combined with increasing salaries, how can you not leverage that into a 2 year deal?!?
Exactly.

And it's not like we're talking about dozens of players making the jump - there have been 7 this year. There might be more to come, and maybe this is the beginning of a long term trend, but for most of our top players the chance to play and stay in the NFL is still a longshot.

Some of them will decide there is more stability and playing opportunity if they stay in the CFL. Hamilton's Luke Tasker had a legit chance to sign in Green Bay and decided to remain with the Cats, and there were no reports of specific teams interested in Brandon Banks but he could easily have taken time to look around instead of re-signing. I'm sure there are players on other teams who have made the same judgment call for their future.
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I have no source for this "information", it's rumour and speculation only from another website

"The Argo/MLSE negotiations are humming along as some people pointed out with hope of an announcement by Feb 10th of not only having the Argos move to BMO, but also of having the team being purchased by MLSE.

Seems the league or the Argos or both changed the amount of Grey Cup games assigned to Toronto over the next 12 years. MLSE wanted 4 Grey Cup over 12 years, which according to the source was agreed upon. That money would go to the funding of a revamped BMO for CFL football and pay the Argo owner the 12 million, that from sources he is determined to get for this team.

My source said the new amount is now 3 Grey Cup games in 12 years. Again speculation is MLSE has given the league till Feb 9th, to change it back to 4 GC in 12 years, or MLSE is walking never to come back again.
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Just to reiterate, there is no originating source for this, just Internet rumour.
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^ Given how non-alarmed insiders appear to be over this situation (especially as compared to last year), I would accept that the matter is well in hand. I guess this particular snippet does illustrate what the CFL in Toronto has come to... basically the only hope of actually turning a profit is in hosting Grey Cup games to offset the losses.

For what it's worth, hosting the Grey Cup in Toronto more often could be a good thing as it could help to raise the league's profile there. Whether they play it at BMO or Skydome, it is critical that they price the tickets to sell out because if there is one thing that the Toronto media fixates on like nobody else it's sports event attendance.
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Given the marketing and ticketing synergies that MLSE could employ, the Argos would be profitable (without GC money) and should easily sell out 25k at BMO. Several years ago when MLSE last kicked the tires they forecast a small one million dollar profit and that was before the new TV contract.

The Grey Cups would be at the facility MLSE operate, BMO or whatever it will be called by then. (That 10-year deal expires Dec. 31, 2016 with negotiations with BMO already under way on a possible new naming rights deal.)
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MLSE won't get there overnight. Even when the Als moved to Molson, it took a couple of seasons to start generating consistent sellouts, and that was with a capacity below 20,000.
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MLSE won't get there overnight. Even when the Als moved to Molson, it took a couple of seasons to start generating consistent sellouts, and that was with a capacity below 20,000.
I can see Toronto FC season ticket holders getting free tickets to Argos games till Argos sell out the stadium, then slowly increasing ticket prices. The cross promotion should help both teams, I'll be sad to see the grass go though, its something that has to be sorted out.
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I'll be sad to see the grass go though, its something that has to be sorted out.
The grass isn't going. It will be a Desso GrassMaster type of surface. The CFL endzones will be artificial turf (seats will be rolled over them for soccer)

As far as installing artificial turf, MLSE President Leiweke maintains that is not going to happen.

“I want to be as clear as I can: We are committed to grass. There is no miscommunication on the grass issue,” Leiweke stated.

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MLSE won't get there overnight. Even when the Als moved to Molson, it took a couple of seasons to start generating consistent sellouts, and that was with a capacity below 20,000.
In the spring of 1998 (the Alouettes first season there), with the stadium once again showing its age and its North stands in complete disrepair, the Alouettes undertook renovations that reconfigured stadium capacity to 17,317 fans.

Temporary end zone bleachers were installed in the spring of 1999, increasing the seating capacity of Percival Molson Stadium to 19,461 and then to 19,601 in the 2001 season. That figure was increased to 20,002 for the 2002 campaign and 25,012 in time for the 2010 CFL season.



Note the years where average attendance is larger than capacity. That is a result of having some games at Olympic Stadium.
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Think MLSE is bad? A look at 10 of the worst team owners in Canadian sports history
Sean Fitz-Gerald National Post February 6, 2015

On Friday, the Toronto Raptors host the Los Angeles Clippers, a team with an obscenely wealthy new owner, Steve Ballmer, who replaced an owner who was merely obscene. It has been six months since the retired Microsoft chief executive finalized a US$2-billion deal to buy the NBA team. The team’s former owner, Donald Sterling, was banned from the league for life last spring after a series of racist remarks were made public. And long before that, he was viewed as one of the worst owners in American sports. Now that the Clippers are breathing fresh air, and to mark their Canadian visit, National Post reporter Sean Fitz-Gerald examines 10 owners who have been less than successful in Canada:

10. Michael Feterik
Team: Calgary Stampeders (CFL, 2001-2005)

After stepping away from plans to buy a team in Ottawa, the California-based corrugated cardboard box magnate officially took control of the Stampeders in November 2001, just a few weeks before they won the Grey Cup. For the next three seasons, the team finished last in its division, getting progressively worse each year, to the point where, in 2004, the Stampeders managed only four wins. Feterik wanted to make his son, Kevin, the starting quarterback. He forced legendary coach Wally Buono out of Calgary. Matt Dunigan, the former quarterback, became coach and general manager, even though he had never held even one of those job titles. (He suggested he could perform his general manager’s roles “in a couple hours at the end of the day.”) The team’s kicker retired to become president.

Postscript: Since Feterik sold the team, in 2005, the Stampeders have made three trips to the Grey Cup, winning twice, including this past year.

9. Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment

Team: Toronto Maple Leafs (NHL, 1996-present), Toronto Raptors (NBA, 1998-present), Toronto FC (MLS, 2007-present)

Its incredibly profitable NHL team has not won the Stanley Cup since 1967, its basketball team has won precisely one playoff series in 20 years of trying, and its soccer team is still waiting to make its playoff debut almost a decade after launching. No ownership group in Canada can match MLSE in size — it also has real estate holdings in downtown Toronto, as well as owning an American Hockey League team, restaurants and television channels — and none can match the agony it has inflicted on its fan base. On-field results are only part of what it takes to make this list, though, which is why MLSE is not ranked higher.

Postscript: Yet to be written.

8. Horn Chen
Team: Ottawa Rough Riders (CFL, 1995-1996)

Originally hailed as a saviour for buying the troubled franchise in March 1995, Chen, a Chicago-based businessman specializing in minor-league sports, quickly became known for his reclusive behaviour. He rarely visited Ottawa. Famously, he never once even saw his own team play in person. And that is probably for the best, because the Rough Riders went 3-15 in his first year, and they posted the same record in his second year. Chen was the owner when, during a dispersal draft in 1995, the team drafted a player who had died four months earlier. By the end of 1996, Chen was gone. “My first major mistake was buying the team,” he told the Ottawa Citizen in a rare interview that November. “If I had to do it over again, I wouldn’t have gotten involved.”

Postscript: Ottawa returned to the CFL in 2002, only to die again in 2005. It is back, now as the RedBlacks, who missed the playoffs in their debut season last year.

7. Daryl Katz
Team: Edmonton Oilers (NHL, 2008-present)

In six seasons under his ownership, the Oilers have never made the playoffs. They are on their way to a seventh season without having to print post-season tickets and, worse, they seem to be at risk of allowing their cache of acquired young talent to spoil. The Oilers are averaging a coaching change a year under Katz, having circled back to the coach who was in charge the year he took control (current GM Craig MacTavish), before placing Todd Nelson behind the bench in December. The owner has also toyed with local emotions outside the arena, having made a public trip to Seattle during a tense period in arena negotiations with the city of Edmonton. A recent report in The Globe and Mail suggests he had also been angling for leverage with an arena lease in Hamilton.

Postscript: Yet to be written.

6. Bruce McNall
Team: Toronto Argonauts (1991-1994)

In 1991, they arrived with bright lights and loud noises, the Hollywood-inspired group of McNall, Wayne Gretzky and actor John Candy. They bought the Argos and they signed a bona fide star prospect for an unprecedented sum, a four-year contract worth $18-million to Notre Dame standout Raghib (The Rocket) Ismail. The Argos won the Grey Cup that year, but interest and attendance waned. In 1994, McNall pleaded guilty to fraud — the total of which exceeded US$230-million — in a U.S. court. The team was left in another uncertain position.

Postscript: Candy, the Toronto native, died of a heart attack that same year. “John was — I know for a fact because I had the conversation with him — he was looking at buying the Argos just before he died,” former Argos lineman Don Moen has said. “Whether he was going to be able to do it, I don’t know. But he loved it.”

5. Sherwood Schwarz
Team: Toronto Argonauts (CFL, 1999-2003)

An insurance executive from New York, Schwarz oversaw some of the most outrageous storylines in recent CFL history, which is saying something. One of his executives tried to stage a pre-game wet T-shirt contest featuring exotic dancers, an idea shot down with both speed and anger from the league’s head office. He hired a prickly general manager who hired a coach (John Huard) who wanted players to eat popsicles after practice as a means of physical therapy. Schwarz, who reportedly bought the team for only $100,000, stopped paying the bills in 2003, and the Argos descended into bankruptcy. Some players lost bonus money. Deep layoffs were made in the front office. There was some question whether the Argos might not end up folding. “I’m sorry I failed the fans,” he said.

Postscript: They won the Grey Cup in their first year after he left, and added another one in 2012, but the Argos are still on shaky ground, facing homelessness when their lease at Rogers Centre expires in 2017.

4. Peter Pocklington
Team: Edmonton Oilers (NHL, 1976-1998)

On Aug. 9, 1988, he sold Canada’s most precious resource: Wayne Gretzky. Pocklington sold perhaps the greatest hockey player in history to Los Angeles for players and US$15-million in cash. Pocklington had broken up a dynasty, and was cast as a villain. “I really don’t give a damn what some of the unwashed have to say,” he told reporters in October. “Some day they’ll grow up. And I don’t really care if they do or not.

Postscript: In October, during a reunion of the 1984 Oilers Stanley Cup team, fans gave Pocklington an ovation. “I wasn’t sure what was going to happen,” he said. “As you can imagine.”

3. Bernie Glieberman
Team: Ottawa Rough Riders (CFL: 1991-1994), Ottawa Renegades (CFL, 2005)

A businessman from Michigan, Bernie installed his son, Lonie, with the team. In the first go-round, that led to the signing of defensive lineman Dexter Manley, who was in exile from the NFL for substance abuse. He was not the star he once was, in Ottawa. As they began their second attempt, in 2005, Lonie was the subject of a Q&A in the Ottawa Sun, an interview in which he was asked of his biggest personal regret. “When I lived here, there was this chick I liked for a long time … we always kinda flirted and talked,” he told the paper. “This one time, she put her hands in my pockets and I didn’t pursue it. I regretted it the very next day, and I still do.” The next question: What is wrong with the owner or president of a team dating its cheerleaders? “I don’t know,” he answered. “What is wrong with that?”

Postscript: There are still football fans in Ottawa, remarkably.

2. Jeffrey Loria
Team: Montreal Expos (1999-2002)

They were not marketed very well, nor were they easy to find on television and radio for English-speaking fans. The Expos withered on the vine under Loria, who became one of the most unpopular figures in the history of Montreal sports. The Expos — or what was left of them — moved to Washington in 2005, and many blame Loria, who got into the team as a minority stakeholder, but quickly increased his hold. “I was fooled,” former co-owner Mark Routtenberg told a reporter four years ago. “He said all the right things, how Montreal was close to New York for him, how he speaks French because of his art dealings in France, how he loved the game of baseball. I really thought he had the intention of making baseball work in Montreal.”

Postscript: There is hope baseball might return, but hope is all there is, for now.

1. Harold Ballard
Team: Toronto Maple Leafs (NHL, 1972-1990)

In 1972, an Ontario judge found Ballard guilty of fraud following a case that showed how he had used $82,000 from Maple Leaf Gardens to renovate his home. “Actually, I don’t feel guilty,” he told the CBC that year. Feelings or no, Ballard still went to jail. When he got out, he resumed a reign of terror that turned the franchise into a punch line. He was a bully who chased away good players. He refused to allow female reporters into the home team’s dressing room, in contravention of league rules. “Women will be allowed to go in the locker room if they undress first,” he said, according to The Los Angeles Times. He removed a portrait of the Queen from the Gardens because, he said, she “never paid any taxes for me.” He had feuds, both public and private. His team shriveled on the ice. “He sees himself as the great promoter, which is a lot of bull,” Toronto Star columnist Frank Orr told the Times. “He couldn’t promote the second coming with the original cast.”

Postscript: They still make money, but the Leafs still lose on the ice.

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How does that goof Nelson Skalbania not make that list? I'd sooner have him on the list than McNall, who was the last Argos owner that actually made an impact in Toronto.

Skalbania did OK on the hockey front in Edmonton and Calgary (and Indianapolis), but he was a one man CFL destruction machine... he more or less killed the Alouettes and nearly did the same thing with the Lions.
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How does that goof Nelson Skalbania not make that list? I'd sooner have him on the list than McNall, who was the last Argos owner that actually made an impact in Toronto.

Skalbania did OK on the hockey front in Edmonton and Calgary (and Indianapolis), but he was a one man CFL destruction machine... he more or less killed the Alouettes and nearly did the same thing with the Lions.
There were several other deserving candidates who could have made that list and Skalbania was definitely one of them.
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Gridiron Underground: A love letter from the black athlete to CFL, fans
Documentary chronicles black athletes’ journey taking them from the U.S., beginning in the 1950s, to a league they helped shape.
Curtis Rush Sports Reporter The Star Feb 03 2015

A historically significant documentary, Gridiron Underground, chronicles the early struggles of some of the first African-Americans to play in the CFL.

The film is served up as a love letter to Canada and the CFL fans who accepted them with open arms. The stories of quarterbacks such as Bernie Custis, Chuck Ealey, Warren Moon and Henry Burris are portraits of courage and perseverance in the face of racial prejudice.

While the NFL didn’t believe black athletes could play quarterback, Canada opened its doors.

Also featured are running back Johnny Bright, defensive back John Williams Sr., defensive lineman Bruce Smith, defensive back Ed Jones, defensive player Rollie Miles and kick returner Henry (Gizmo) Williams, with cameos by Michael (Pinball) Clemons and Damon Allen.

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This film is especially relevant for February, Black History Month, and because the Ontario Black History Society, along with the Toronto District School Board, provided seed money to get the movie on the rails.

Clocking in at 73 minutes, Gridiron Underground weaves in player and family interviews with archival photos and game footage, all scored effectively, with the theme that there were no guarantees of greatness, only the freedom to choose it.

The central figure is Custis, now 86, who was drafted by the Cleveland Browns out of Syracuse, but wasn’t allowed to try out at quarterback. Browns coach Paul Brown advised him to go to Canada and he did.

He took the train, arriving in Hamilton at 2 a.m., in effect initiating football’s “underground railroad” and serving up a perfect metaphor for the film’s title.

Custis became the first black quarterback in professional football in 1951.

“He should be a national treasure,” the film’s executive producer Bill Armstrong of Toronto’s Strongwall Productions said over the phone.

Prior to this, in 1946, Jackie Robinson played with the Montreal Royals, which was the top farm team of baseball’s Brooklyn Dodgers.

Robinson was yet to break baseball’s colour barrier in America, but his story serves as a key backdrop to the tolerant and cosmopolitan city of Montreal. At that time, Lew Hayman formed the Alouettes with the plan to integrate the black athlete in football.

Gridiron Underground opens in 1951 with Johnny Bright, who was playing for Drake University. He had the Heisman Trophy within his grasp, the film tells viewers, but he was targeted by “designated hitters” who broke his jaw. He came to Canada.

Narrating the film is John Williams Jr., who played for eight seasons in the CFL. With his father, John Williams Sr., they are the only African-American father and son team to have their names inscribed on the Grey Cup.

For these black athletes, some reared in tough neighbourhoods in the southern states, where there were no city pools to play in and rules against associating with white people, football promised a way out.

Unfortunately, Canada presented an initial shock to the system when they were greeted by dreary-looking stadiums (to them) and cold weather.

Ealey, who was a rookie when he led the Hamilton Tiger-Cats to a 1972 Grey Cup victory, smoothed the trail for the likes of Moon, who credits the CFL for saving his football career,

Tighter editing would have made Gridiron Underground crisper at 60 minutes or less. Another quibble is that the film leaps back and forth between subjects too much, creating a slightly jarring effect.

Overall, Gridiron Underground qualifies as a very good Canadian sports documentary that does two things rather well: It resonates with historical significance and it is a tender portrait of lives that were changed forever by Canada and the CFL.

It was shown at SilverCity Oakville last November. By early this summer, the project will be available as a DVD to all CFL fans, through the Strongwall Productions website and possibly through the CFL and their franchises.
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6. Bruce McNall
Team: Toronto Argonauts (1991-1994)

In 1991, they arrived with bright lights and loud noises, the Hollywood-inspired group of McNall, Wayne Gretzky and actor John Candy. They bought the Argos and they signed a bona fide star prospect for an unprecedented sum, a four-year contract worth $18-million to Notre Dame standout Raghib (The Rocket) Ismail. The Argos won the Grey Cup that year, but interest and attendance waned. In 1994, McNall pleaded guilty to fraud — the total of which exceeded US$230-million — in a U.S. court. The team was left in another uncertain position.

Postscript: Candy, the Toronto native, died of a heart attack that same year. “John was — I know for a fact because I had the conversation with him — he was looking at buying the Argos just before he died,” former Argos lineman Don Moen has said. “Whether he was going to be able to do it, I don’t know. But he loved it.

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Yeah, I don't think Bruce McNall should really be on that list, at least in the context of being owner of the Argos. The McNall/Gretzky/Candy ownership group was a real shot in the arm to the Argo franchise and certainly got the attention of the city. His legal issues were really unrelated to his Argo ownership.

At least Sherwood Schwartz was properly ranked. God, he was terrible.
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Listening to Toronto Sports Radio gets me so angry at times. They go on and on about the NCAA, talking about Ohio State, NC State, etc like they are local schools. They totally ignore CIS schools and their sports programs. And TSN???? WTF?? Totally immersed in NCAA football, hockey and basketball! Nothing about Canadian schools at all. You and Rogers are supposed to represent Canadian sports and you do nothing for homegrown university talent.

And people wonder why we call Toronto the 51st state at times.
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Listening to Toronto Sports Radio gets me so angry at times. They go on and on about the NCAA, talking about Ohio State, NC State, etc like they are local schools. They totally ignore CIS schools and their sports programs. And TSN???? WTF?? Totally immersed in NCAA football, hockey and basketball! Nothing about Canadian schools at all. You and Rogers are supposed to represent Canadian sports and you do nothing for homegrown university talent.

And people wonder why we call Toronto the 51st state at times.
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Listening to Toronto Sports Radio gets me so angry at times. They go on and on about the NCAA, talking about Ohio State, NC State, etc like they are local schools. They totally ignore CIS schools and their sports programs. And TSN???? WTF?? Totally immersed in NCAA football, hockey and basketball! Nothing about Canadian schools at all. You and Rogers are supposed to represent Canadian sports and you do nothing for homegrown university talent.

And people wonder why we call Toronto the 51st state at times.
Do you listen to Tim and Sid at all?
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Do you listen to Tim and Sid at all?
He makes a good point though. If Tim and Sid are the lone bastion of CanCon, that's not very much.

I pointed out earlier that they're now shoving NCAA hockey down our throat. WTF?
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