YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Canadian74

One of the most important thing the M3 offer for India/Pakistan routes is one-stop flights to secondary Indian/Pakistani cities which European/Turkish don't offer. That's why they are so desirable by travellers

Correct... But the #1 Canada-India market (YYZ) the vast majority of travellers are going to DEL and BOM, and the #2 Canada-India market (YVR) the vast majority of passengers are going to DEL. Other Canada-India markets are quite small. And the Canada-secondary India markets are minimal at this time.

[Hot Rod]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

With a lot of 2014 stats firming up I thought I'd take a look at top intl airports in North America (excluding Central America). Looks like YVR's good year bumped them into the top 10. Of note YVR is the fastest growing international airport in North America (on a percentage basis). All in all looks like a lot to celebrate.


http://imgur.com/wr4jRSv

I'd love to look at international only, but unfortunately US airports don't break it out that way, it's all just intl., so this will have to do, even though it skews Canadian airports higher.

How does it skew Canadian airports higher? American and overseas airports count Canada as International pax, there are no Transborder terminals in the USA (although there is pre-clearance, on both sides/major airports).

So why can't Canadian airports count USA as Int'l? Again, why is it skewed higher when Canadian airports report International including USA?

[Valley_Refugee]

How does it skew Canadian airports higher? American and overseas airports count Canada as International pax, there are no Transborder terminals in the USA (although there is pre-clearance, on both sides/major airports).

So why can't Canadian airports count USA as Int'l? Again, why is it skewed higher when Canadian airports report International including USA?

As far as I know, there are no Canadian pre-clearance facilities in US airports. All Canadian-bound flights leave from international terminals. The pre-clearance program is a US-only program at 8 airports in Canada and (I believe) 1 or 2 in Ireland. But yes, I agree, US passengers should just be counted as international, so there's no 'skewing' either way.

[Hot Rod]

I agree. If anything the Canadian way of counting Understates International since it leaves off USA from most reporting and calls them Transborder. I do agree with the point regarding the carribean; why are they Int'l and not Transborder since they're still technically North American. ... Anyways.
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On another note, with regard to Trof and his use of "us" and "we" and "here" with regard to Vancouver, I also do not live in the city (live in Seattle) but Vancouver is a second home to me like many Seattleites (like I'm sure many true Vancouverites consider Seattle a 2nd base) and therefore I also use "us" and such with regard to my Vancouver posts. I don't think there should be a problem for Trof to do the same since he/she is an expat from Vancouver, no? I think he just wants to help or is motivated to chat about his hometown. Nobody seemed to offended with me saying those yet I always note I am from Seattle (note we both use "ite" with regard to residing in our city). ...

shoot, my runway ILS lights did not post properly - but anyway, that's what those dots were supposed to be.

[craneSpotter]

Air New Zealand from 05FEB15 is expanding codeshare partnership with Air Canada, which sees NZ code being displayed on Air Canada’s service to destinations within the Province of British Columbia, as well as to the Province of Alberta.

Air New Zealand operated by Air Canada

Vancouver – Edmonton
Vancouver – Kamloops
Vancouver – Kelowna
Vancouver – Victoria

http://airlineroute.net/2015/02/02/nzac-codeshare-feb15/

[Johnny Aussie]

Sunwing will have 12 weekly departures from YVR this summer, up from 9 weekly last summer.

They are increasing YVR-YYZ to daily up from 5 weekly last summer. A daily red-eye departing at 2315.

In addition one weekly flight to each of CUN, SNU, SJD, PVR and VRA will be offered. SNU is being brought back this summer.

[Johnny Aussie]

As expected, Qantas will be gracing YVR's skies on a more permanent seasonal basis (if that makes any sense.)

http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media-r...to-vancouver-for-summer-and-ski-holidays

13 return flights to be offered in June/July and another 20 over the December/January period next winter.

It's a start! And a sign that permanent year-round service will return once they get the right aircraft to service this high demand route.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

As expected, Qantas will be gracing YVR's skies on a more permanent seasonal basis (if that makes any sense.)

http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media-r...to-vancouver-for-summer-and-ski-holidays

13 return flights to be offered in June/July and another 20 over the December/January period next winter.

It's a start! And a sign that permanent year-round service will return once they get the right aircraft to service this high demand route.

FANTASTIC !!! This is like an old, long-lost friend coming back !!

[Klazu]

Excellent. Now if only Singaporean Airlines would make a comeback...

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Excellent. Now if only Singaporean Airlines would make a comeback...

Don't hold your breath mate. I would say this falls into the unlikely box at the moment.

If SQ could somehow negotiate some 5th freedoms with China and Canada. SQ could use one of those Chinese secondary cities as a stopover point. Again, unlikely but not completely out of the realm of ever happening. How is that for a non committed statement!
SQ's rights into Canada allows for unlimited nonstop Singapore-Canada. That's just too thin a route for that to eventuate even with the potential for onward pax flow to India.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

As expected, Qantas will be gracing YVR's skies on a more permanent seasonal basis (if that makes any sense.)

http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media-r...to-vancouver-for-summer-and-ski-holidays

13 return flights to be offered in June/July and another 20 over the December/January period next winter.

It's a start! And a sign that permanent year-round service will return once they get the right aircraft to service this high demand route.

Do you think we'll ever see MEL or BNE? Air Canada talked about dreamliner service to BNE starting this year, but there seems no sign of it, or am I wrong?
And with Melbourne becoming so big, so fast, isn't there a potential market there?

[connect2source]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Don't hold your breath mate. I would say this falls into the unlikely box at the moment.

If SQ could somehow negotiate some 5th freedoms with China and Canada. SQ could use one of those Chinese secondary cities as a stopover point. Again, unlikely but not completely out of the realm of ever happening. How is that for a non committed statement!
SQ's rights into Canada allows for unlimited nonstop Singapore-Canada. That's just too thin a route for that to eventuate even with the potential for onward pax flow to India.

Did Singapore Airlines lose their fifth freedom rights? They never provided nonstops to Singapore during their many years serving YVR.

I also feels Singapore Airlines' strength has been somewhat diluted by the ME3s of late so I feel YVR is far more likely to be served by one of the ME3s long before Singapore returns.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by connect2source

Did Singapore Airlines lose their fifth freedom rights? They never provided nonstops to Singapore during their many years serving YVR.

I also feels Singapore Airlines' strength has been somewhat diluted by the ME3s of late so I feel YVR is far more likely to be served by one of the ME3s long before Singapore returns.

I thought it was tacitly understood and agreed that never would an ME3 airline have rights to fly out of YVR.

[casper]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

I thought it was tacitly understood and agreed that never would an ME3 airline have rights to fly out of YVR.

Singapore operated flights 3 times per week with a stop in South Korean. Basically competing against South Korea Airlines and Air Canada.

The word in the media at the time was they had the right to fly daily from Singapore or with a stop somewhere else (such as Japan or Taiwan) but they wanted to operate daily through South Korea.

Both Canada and South Korean did not see the point of providing the extra authorization. Singapore Airlines decided to drop the flight. That said, these types of negotiations are all closed door deals done by government agencies. Sometimes the press gets it right and sometimes not so much.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by casper

Singapore operated flights 3 times per week with a stop in South Korean. Basically competing against South Korea Airlines and Air Canada.

The word in the media at the time was they had the right to fly daily from Singapore or with a stop somewhere else (such as Japan or Taiwan) but they wanted to operate daily through South Korea.

Both Canada and South Korean did not see the point of providing the extra authorization. Singapore Airlines decided to drop the flight. That said, these types of negotiations are all closed door deals done by government agencies. Sometimes the press gets it right and sometimes not so much.

I appreciate your feedback, but how does that relate to the (perhaps necessary) blockage of the ME3 airlines from YVR?

[craneSpotter]

more codeshare action:

Philippine Airlines is expanding its network coverage in North America, through codeshare partnership with WestJet. The codeshare service is scheduled to begin on 10FEB15, although reservation is currently unavailable at time this post goes to press. Planned codeshare routes as follow.

Philippine Airlines operated by WestJet

Toronto – Montreal
Toronto – Ottawa
Vancouver – Calgary
Vancouver – Edmonton
Vancouver – Toronto *
Vancouver – Winnipeg

* Effective 15MAR15

http://airlineroute.net/2015/02/05/prws-codeshare-feb15/

[Vanzunator]

Originally Posted by Pinion

Can I also request you stop saying things like "here in YVR" when you're in Europe, it's pretty weird. You can be interested in Vancouver without pretending to still live here.

I have to say I'm disappointed to see this type of uncalled for postings on this forum. Considering all the contributions that he has made to this forum over the years, you need to highlight the fact that he used word 'here'!

[Hot Rod]

another sign of the rise of the Chinese mega-city Chongqing and their Jiangbei International Airport profile (btw-just under 30m pax this year). ..

http://english.cqnews.net/html/2015-01/26/content_33290207.htm

Just a matter of time before Chongqing-Vancouver comes online. .

[red-paladin]

3 PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR 66% OF YVR AIRPORT’S 1,695 NOISE COMPLAINTS

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2015/01/3-people-responsible-66-yvr-airports-1695-noise-complaints/

[deasine]

Interesting upcoming Rouge flight: YYZ-YXX http://airlineroute.net/2015/02/06/zx-jun15/