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Old Posted Jan 30, 2015, 6:41 PM
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bobg... rather than hunt for the info would you know if CDOT has received a ROD for I-70 through Denver or is that the last piece needed?
They still need to finalize the EIS and do a ROD. If you are interested in it it's not that hard to hunt for the info since http://www.i-70east.com/ is easier to use than CDOT's website.
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2015, 7:18 PM
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They still need to finalize the EIS and do a ROD. If you are interested in it it's not that hard to hunt for the info since http://www.i-70east.com/ is easier to use than CDOT's website.
Thanks. I may have been on that site but forgot about it. Easy to remember site though. I also forgot that once they get the EIS approval they'll (presumably) do a RFP for interested P3 parties. I found where they've already hired a law firm to handle the process. I would think this project would be considered of prime interest from those entities.

So another year to figure that out which IIRC was the time frame that CDOT had figured.
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2015, 8:11 PM
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Thanks (or maybe no thanks) to bobg I did some sleuthing and am (much more) up to speed with respect to CDOT. Checking out the site for highway 36 reconstruction I found this enlightening article.

An exit interview with Don Hunt by the Denver Post was noteworthy. At least at this time CDOT is not counting on increased state taxes or increased Federal help. That leaves $10 billion of unfunded needs over the next ten years. That's over and above their current $1.1 billion of annual funding. Two examples would be I-70 up to Summit County (and beyond) as well as I-25 needing to be six lanes all the way up to Ft. Collins. Don pointed out how Utah has already done this and has regional rail as well.

With respect to I-70 East the glitch with TABOR is that they didn't anticipate that happening THIS year. So financing that was nailed down no longer is (as bobg suggested).

I'll remain hopeful that the new Transportation Bill out of Congress will be positive. With gas around $2 a gallon at the pump it has to be tempting to finally - after 20 years - raise the fuel tax. I also think it's a plus that Republicans control both chambers as whatever happens or doesn't is largely on them. There will be different views and they may do no more than kick the can down the road yet again which wouldn't be the worst thing I suppose. But they're all elected from states that you know have their own needs. Fingers crossed.
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FasTracks shapes Denver

Supporters and critics weigh in on value, ridership of public transportation

By Monte Whaley The Denver Post

Ten years after work began on the massive FasTracks metro-wide mass transit project, officials insist Denver and its suburbs are being molded into a 21st century model for moving people from their homes to jobs and places in between.

But along the way, FasTracks has picked up its share of critics. There have been cost overruns past the $4.7 billion of debt voters approved for FasTracks in November 2004, lower ridership numbers than predicted and the implosion of the planned Northwest Rail Line to Boulder, say detractors.

The northwest line was severed in 2012, at least temporarily, when costs climbed past planned revenue. That prompted howls of protests along the U.S. 36 corridor as the promised light-rail train was replaced with a bus system.

“Some of the residents up here are still mad about that and will bite your head off if you mention it to them,” Boulder Mayor Matt Appelbaum said. “I’m happy to celebrate the accomplishments of FasTracks. I think it will add enormously to the metro area, but it came at a cost. And much of that came from our corridor.”

The first components of the Fas-Tracks plan — which calls for 122 miles of new light rail and commuter rail to connect the metro area — started to be pieced together two years ago, when the 12.1-mile West Rail Line from Denver to Golden opened to riders.

A year later, a renovated Denver Union Station opened and the Free MetroRide in downtown Denver was launched.

Meanwhile, about 18 miles of bus rapid transit — BRT — is also being added from Denver to Boulder.

But that is just a springboard for six other FasTracks projects. Five of which — including rail to Denver International Airport — will open next year. The North Metro Rail line from Union Station through Adams County opens in 2018.

“It’s all about connecting people all over the area, to getting them where they need to go,” said Lorraine Anderson, a Regional Transportation District board member who fought early and hard for the Fas-Tracks idea. “Because of FasTracks, someday you will get connected to just about any place you want to go.”

Along the way, FasTracks has injected more than $5 billion into the metro economy and created 13,000 full-time jobs, say RTD officials. Fas-Tracks also is spawning transit-oriented development along its rail lines, including apartments, shopping centers and business parks.

“FasTracks is already benefitting the region, and those benefits will multiply as we continue to fulfill our promise to complete FasTracks,” said Chuck Sisk, a former mayor of Louisville and now chair of the RTD board of directors. “But it really starts and ends with the citizens and their vote of confidence in 2004.”

The failed Guide the Ride vote in 1997 prompted backers of a metro-wide transit system to redouble their efforts

“It really got people working together like never before,” said Anderson, who was chairwoman of the Denver Regional Council of Government at the time of the Guide the Ride vote.

Support came from DRCOG, the Metro Mayors Caucus, then-Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper and, most importantly, from business groups who knew the value of unclogging Denver roads, Sisk said.

Also key was getting all local governments to back the idea.
“They adopted the approach that if one area got light rail, then other areas would get it as well,” Sisk said.

Voters in the eight counties that make up RTD passed the original 0.4 percent sales tax increase for Fas-Tracks, with 58 percent of the vote, and to this day FasTracks remains popular — even though its cost has gone up to $5.3 billion and may reach as high as $8 billion.

But a 2013 poll of 800 Denver-area residents found that while 85 percent said the 2004 vote was a good decision only 1 percent said they used RTD daily and 2 percent said they rode transit to work daily. About 71 percent said they never used RTD to commute to work, and 45 percent said they never used transit for other purposes.

Others point out that ridership is still lagging for FasTracks and RTD’s base bus system. An otherwise sparkling review of FasTracks for The Atlantic magazine points out that only about 6 percent of Denver residents use buses or light rail.

Randal O’Toole, of the Cato Institute and harsh critic of FasTracks, said the West Rail Line is a typical victim of RTD’s overly optimistic projections, noting a 30 percent ridership shortfall on the line Randal O'Toole is correct in his observations concerning what Fastracks will be when built out. He is absolutely wrong in condemning ALL metro level steel rail transit systems, that where properly designed, serve many millions of people worldwide.

“With double the construction costs and only two-thirds of the riders, the West Rail Line is clearly far less cost-effective at relieving congestion than originally claimed,” O’Toole said shortly after the West Line opened. The line does not have express service and does not provide direct Uptown access without a double transfer from Auraria West

But the West Rail Line, like others, will grow as people get more familiar with transit, said Pauletta Tonilas, RTD spokeswoman for FasTracks. Perhaps within 30 minutes total transit time from workplace downtown, i.e, West Line stations from Wadsworth, east

“It takes about two years for ridership to normalize,” Tonilas said. “Also, some bus service in the corridor that we initially reduced when the W Line opened was restored due to strong community interest.” This was done to somewhat ameliorate the anger that commuters on the old Airport bus from Cold Springs had when they realized the new line was 15 to 20 minutes slower than the trip to the old Market Street Station via bus. The old Colfax bus that served Civic Center was also faster from Wadsworth to work places around Civic Station

To complete FasTracks, RTD has worked out public-private partnerships with companies to use their financial resources. RTD also got more than $1 billion of federal funding for projects. Almost completely to pay for infrastructure for commercial build out around the Union Station

“Without question, we’ve had our challenges. But by partnering with the public and private sectors, we’ve gotten creative and have most of Fas-Tracks either completed or in construction,” said RTD general manager Phil Washington. I do admire their persistence, but, in exchange RTD let the fox into the henhouse

Thornton resident ChaCha Cruz can’t wait for the final light rail connection that will allow her to hook up easily with family members who live in Highlands Ranch and Parker. The 75 to 90 minute total time will get old in a hurry

“I do see light rail and FasTracks connecting us better than we ever have before,” Cruz said. “Suddenly, going down south or to the airport, won’t be a problem.” The north side will have the best connections with the airport

Denver Post Saturday January 31, 2015

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I am reminded of when I bought my first used car. The car was riddled with mechanical problems that were caused in significant part from poor design. Of course, now I had a car that I had paid for, that was more important to me than how well the car ran at the time. Likewise, the car looked ‘good’, so I felt that, as a 21 year old, the car would help me get laid. The car was a piece of junk that I purchased because I knew nothing about what a good car was.

I bring this up because this article never once mentions poor downtown route design*, very high cost route lengthening for the DIA line from DIA to the UP track corridor**, poor downtown station ergonomics***, bad light rail vehicle access****, too long transit times*****, and, the lack of public input in most choices.******

In other words, how well the system WORKS, and, will work for the user!

Instead, the entire article is written from the standpoint of difficulties in getting public support, in how the system’s construction has benefited the community (any time you spend billions of dollars in public works there are obviously benefits, but, that has little or nothing to do with how the completed project works) and how ridership will grow.

Numerous examples of better downtown station integration exist worldwide. A few: the central JR (Japanese) stations at Nagoya, Kyoto, and Osaka where bus, high speed rail, commuter rail, and, subways are all with 200 meters of one another and 95% of all transfers are made from rail car level platform to platform transfer and the user of an escalator or two. China, using the Japanese station model on steroids, is building innumerable stations that tightly integrate rail transportation. On a lesser level, Melbourne, Australia’s, Melbourne Central Railway Station shows good design principals. Basically, go almost anywhere outside the US where multibillion dollar metro level transportation networks have been built over the last 20 years and examples of good new and expanded rail stations abound.

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*The heart of any metro wide transportation system is the urban core station. In addition to being the focal point for urban core employment, downtown stations (should) provide VERY convenient and QUICK inter and intra modal transfers. Not having same seat travel options through downtown, not having platform to platform transfer between the light and commuter rail, not having (in the event that no same seat travel and platform to platform transfer options exists) a short walking distance between light rail and commuter rail terminals cripples user ‘friendliness’. The central failure of the RTD system lies in the downtown station complex, and, this failure will radically reduce spoke line utilization, killing the effectiveness of the entire system.

**Many extra miles were added to the DIA line connection between DiA terminal and the UP line that parallels I-70 so that the entire line- less a smidgeon- would remain in Denver. The costs of these extra miles ‘forced’ the use of one track segments as well as extremely expensive unnecessary overpass construction. In addition, the interface of the DIA line with DIA terminal is far more extravagant than necessary (costly). These extra costs were the result in part of subsidizing a portion of the DIA terminal extension and the terminal hotel.

***Sometime those that were involved in the property partition of downtown should be forced to walk from the light rail station to the new commuter station with a sprained ankle bad enough to require a cane. At the very least, the walk will take a lot of extra time. The entire downtown transportation complex is NOT very handicapped friendly.

****The projected time through Lodo is horrible, while the transportation times TO and FROM Lodo on the spokes are marginally acceptable. For example, while the marginally acceptable 35-40 minute transit time from DIA to Lodo compares favorably with the Kansai airport access time in Japan, the transit times when spoke travel on non-DIA lines included are not. The DIA line is a tool to develop Lodo and little more.

*****The steps required to board and exit light rail cars, despite the ramps available for the handicapped, women with infants, and, the elderly, is NOWHERE near as effective as level platform to rail car floor boarding. I personally know older people who HATE the light rail, and as most people know, the percentage of those over 65 will continue to rise.

******When too much planning is done behind closed doors, the effectiveness of public scrutiny is eliminated. Property players- particularly the very rich- have far too much input, and, control track routing specifically to maximize profits on property development, at the expense of transportation system efficiency. http://www.abandonedrails.com/Denver_Union_Station shows the worst example within the entire RTD rail system. There are others that have not been so crippling. (I cringe when thinking about what is going behind closed doors on the much touted Aeropolis at DIA)[/I]
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Interesting. Could the economy surface lots ever be redeveloped as part of the south terminal project, similar to the layout of SFO? Is that still even a thing? Do they even have concrete plans for that expansion?
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Old Posted Feb 3, 2015, 4:24 PM
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Among the "real" parts of the President's budget proposal is a $92 million payment for the SE Light Rail extension in addition to $165 million installment of the $1.03 billion P3 grant for commuter rail according to Cathy Proctor at the DBJ.
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I don't think this has been discussed on here, but CDOT has a Draft Statewide Transit Plan available for comment right now.

STATEWIDE TRANSIT PLAN (DRAFT) - PDF

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Interesting. Could the economy surface lots ever be redeveloped as part of the south terminal project, similar to the layout of SFO? Is that still even a thing? Do they even have concrete plans for that expansion?
That still seems to be the Master Plan and this new parking cell was also in the Plan. So, yes, everything in the Master Plan is still possible.
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Speaking of hopping on the light rail train....
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On Saturday alone, an estimated 177,000 people visited the Phoenix Convention Center for the NFL Experience, 67,000 more than the previous record set during the 2011 MLB All-Star Game festivities, according to figures released by the city.
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CDOT has a Draft Statewide Transit Plan available for comment right now.
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I wish they would have broken out RFTA separate from that report instead of lumping it in with "Intermountain". Nothing really new regarding Rail that we don't know, but the bus stuff is interesting. 7.75 million by 2040 is going to have a lot of needs.
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Is RTD still planning to build the Southwest line extension? I think that would be really great, especially with the station near highlands ranch town center.
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Yes, I believe financing for the SW extension is still in the works (it's only partially funded). I know that the huge new Verona and Wind Crest "Active Adult" developments are counting on it.
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One thing that sets Colorado apart from many states... and in this case specifically RTD is their ability to navigate the Federal requirements. In essence knowing how to fill out forms; knowing which hoops to jump through; keeping the process moving forward. Admittedly RTD has had plenty of practice. From the Denver Post linked article:
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This amount matches what was in the President's budget to Congress as mentioned above. The Tea Party group in the House is trying to squelch these transit programs. Whether it's just for show to be later compromised away with the Senate version is hard to know. That's what happened with the big omnibus bill last fall. In any event once funds start for an approved project then you're home free.
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That still seems to be the Master Plan and this new parking cell was also in the Plan. So, yes, everything in the Master Plan is still possible.
A few parts of the original Master Plan at DEN (ala 1985 or so) may still be around, e.g. when the airport reached 50M yearly pax, more expansion would be required. They didn't plan on reaching 50M annual pax until about 2017.... and instead it was reached about 5 years ago.

On the other hand.... I'm googling etc, like crazy here attempting to find reference, but IIRC, the onsite (or terminal) hotel at DEN was originally supposed to go where this new 1795 space parking lot is now going to be built. I guess the idea initially was that the hotel would actually be part of the terminal facility, yet out of the way of the iconic terminal. And instead, of course, we had to pay several millions of dollars to get a renowned architect/designer to move the location of the hotel to where it is now, just to get in the way of and clash with the iconic terminal.

And btw - $46M for a parking lot for less that 2000 cars? WOW? I think that that's rather excessive, considering all that needs to be done is to build it..... no purchasing the lot, no clearing it, etc.
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I wonder if DIA has taken into account the reduction in possible amount of people parking (especially in the expensive garages) due to the new East rail line?

DENCONYNY: It's not a parking lot, its a garage. Will pretty much exactly match the other garage modules on site. There is also quite a bit of site work there because of the vehicle bridges and huge slope changes, a good chunk of that $46mil is in the site work.

EDIT: That design still would have had the garage, the hotel would have been just to the east of the garage. You can also get a good visual from that image of all of the grade changes that have to be dealt with at this garage.

http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_7989262
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And btw - $46M for a parking lot for less that 2000 cars? WOW? I think that that's rather excessive, considering all that needs to be done is to build it..... no purchasing the lot, no clearing it, etc.
When I read that I was thinking that was a pretty lowball estimate actually. Parking garages aren't cheap, and about a decade ago the rule of thumb just to build was about 25k per spot. This comes in just over that 25k even with inflation over the past decade and known soil issues at DIA.
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