YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[SpongeG]

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[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I was just taking the piss! But yeah the spin cycle about South America.
I was getting kinda dizzy.
Fact ----> YVR is doing just fine without one direct link to South America.
Q. Why are there no direct links to South America?
A. YVR-South America is a blip.
Q. Will YVR land a direct South America link?
A. Absolutely a huge possibility... But will be quite limited to no more than a handful of frequencies to just a very few destinations.

YVR has very far from any sort of monopoly. Does anyone really think that they do? What YVR does have is an excellent array of options to all over Asia, and increasingly to Europe. The China market is still hugely untapped and YVR is perfectly positioned to grab a bigger chunk of it along with a host of many other North American cities. :-) I still think there won't be much more to Europe YVR can make feasible but Asia? Oh yeah... and if some of that includes links to South America... Excellent! More to come!

YVR - South America is a blip. China to South America via YVR? With China trying to get resources like there's no tomorrow plus geopolitical considerations? Maybe more than a blip. Prob 2-3x/weekly to a destination in Latin America to start.

Also wanted to share article about DL and AS in Seattle: http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/news/...to-pay-for-new-sea.html?ana=yahoo&page=2

This article made me recall something Johnny said: YVR's strength is its diversity of international carriers. While it's nice to have a large hub carrier like DL dominating international routes a la Seattle, in terms of getting non-Skyteam airlines to fly to SEA, many might think twice now. Even US airlines such as American and UA have beat a retreat from that market. SEA still a threat, esp once they've upgraded their facilities, but YVR has some good strengths of its own.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Hourglass

YVR - South America is a blip. China to South America via YVR? With China trying to get resources like tomorrow plus geopolitical considerations? Maybe more than a blip. Prob 2-3x/weekly to a destination in Latin America to start.

Also wanted to share article about DL and AS in Seattle: http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/news/...to-pay-for-new-sea.html?ana=yahoo&page=2

This article made me recall something Johnny said: YVR's strength is its diversity of international carriers. While it's nice to have a large hub carrier like DL dominating international routes a la Seattle, in terms of getting non-Skyteam airlines to fly to SEA, many might think twice now. Even US airlines such as American and UA have beat a retreat from that market. SEA still a threat, esp once they've upgraded their facilities, but YVR has some good strengths of its own.

Yes, as you say, a wide range of foreign tails: BA, KLM, LF,and AF upcoming,
partly serve what Air Canada will not serve. And that's just Europe

And the number of Asian destinations, so high, so often served by Chinese airlines, plus TWO major Japanese airlines, KE and PAL, ANZ ......

(excuse the scoolboy recital, but it was just to jog the memory)

Another good, if not great strenght of its own is when TWOV is ready. This April, I understand.

[twoNeurons]

As an "open-source" hub Vancouver isn't dependent on Air Canada. Smart strategy.

[ACT7]

Originally Posted by cyeg66

I know what you're saying (the point you're trying to make), however I don't understand it when folks diss Canadian airports for "inflated" international stats, as though the transborder passengers shouldn't count toward them. For some puritans, it's just not as 'sexy', I guess. International travel can't be more simply or clearly defined: Do they cross a border?

Dubai is now the world's busiest international airport, but could also be labeled, somewhat less glamorously, the most impotent domestic airport in the world. Lines must be drawn somewhere.

Impressively, YYZ may fall just short of 24M international pax.

Couldn't agree with you more on that point. Same goes for many European airports, which I'm sure count EU/Eurozone passengers as international even though they may not pass through any kind of customs or passport control. Case in point - arriving into CDG from FRA, and vice versa, as well as arrival into PRG from FRA and vice versa. I'm pretty certain we were counted as international.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

As an "open-source" hub Vancouver isn't dependent on Air Canada. Smart strategy.

......... and isn't that what Calin Rovisescu warned of: that Vancouver, without a substantial Air Canada hub, would become: ... a "stub" airport.

.... well if it is a "stub" ... some stub!! We have a wide array of foreign carriers, especially high for a city our size (not a 5 million+ type of place) ...
AC seemed to want everything feasible to go through YYZ, but in Vancouver's case the airlines came to us, including 4 major European carriers, among numerous others.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Air China was planning only 1 daily 77W this summer on the YVR-PEK route.

They have now added back the additional 4 weekly earlier flight also on a 77W.

So frequency will now be the same as summer 2014 at 11 weekly but all flights will be on 77Ws compared to 332s last summer.

That's a pretty large boost to capacity... over 830 seats per week and all flights will offer First Class.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/01/29/ca-s15update2/

Edit: this puts YVR-China (incl HKG) back to 70 flights per week but this year additional capacity as well to PEK and PVG.

HKG: 21 pw
PVG: 21 pw
PEK: 18 pw
CAN: 7 pw
SHE/CTU: 3 pw

And overall Asia goes to 132 per week. PLUS additional capacity to KIX (new), NRT, HND, ICN and MNL.

If YVR does land direct flights to Xiamen, Kunming, Hangzhou (appear to be all credible rumours) etc would be a nice sweetener on the top eh?

I really think it's just a matter of time YVR lands direct flights to those cities plus Chongqing, Nanjing, Harbin, Xi'an, Qingdao, Shenzhen, Wuhan.... etc....

Edit #2: Interesting timing of adding back the additional 4 weekly (not on that SSC chart a couple of pages back)... CA has also just announced MEL-PEK nonstop (that is on the SSC chart) which will eventually go daily later this year... slots must have been found for these! Star Alliance is hinting to me to give Air China another go... Prior to this to fly Air China to Canada, the MEL-PEK flight made a stop in PVG. Really added to the journey... Thinking maybe an option for this upcoming Xmas trip :-)I'm all about giving second chances!!

[Valley_Refugee]

Regarding this, I was thinking only of Lima and São Paulo, nothing more.
(well, ok, ..... maybe Santiago in a few years ... )

You're not off topic per se, but I think Johnny's point is that you raise the same points every few days when they don't have much to do with the flow of conversation.

.... well if it is a "stub" ... some stub!! We have a wide array of foreign carriers, especially high for a city our size (not a 5 million+ type of place) ...
AC seemed to want everything feasible to go through YYZ, but in Vancouver's case the airlines came to us, including 4 major European carriers, among numerous others.

This is a complete change of tune...

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I really think it's just a matter of time YVR lands direct flights to those cities plus Chongqing, Nanjing, Harbin, Xi'an, Qingdao, Shenzhen, Wuhan.... etc....

Don't really see Shenzhen happening, sandwiched as it is between HKG and CAN with 28 weekly nonstop flights to YVR among them.

I travel a lot in China, and personally I think it's going to be some time before we see flights to the other cities you mentioned (with maybe the exception of Chongqing). More than likely to be proven wrong though, given China's rapid development and when even a tier II city like Harbin has over 10 million people...

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Hourglass

Don't really see Shenzhen happening, sandwiched as it is between HKG and CAN with 28 weekly nonstop flights to YVR among them.

I travel a lot in China, and personally I think it's going to be some time before we see flights to the other cities you mentioned (with maybe the exception of Chongqing). More than likely to be proven wrong though, given China's rapid development and when even a tier II city like Harbin has over 10 million people...

Like I said... Just a matter of time... How much time? Dunno.
5 years ago if someone suggested YVR would have direct flights to Shenyang or Chengdu I would have asked what they were smoking.
Surprised to see Kunming and Hangzhou mentioned.. one never can tell what's up in the strange world of the airline industry.
Same with Downunder... all sorts of secondary Chinese cities being thrown around as potential routes.
China = one huge and still untapped market.

Edit: speaking of Chengdu ... there is speculation that Sichuan may increase YVR to 4 weekly, but the 4th weekly would go via another secondary city rather than Shenyang. Or move one of the Shenyang flights as well. They would fly 2 via Shenyang and 2 via XXX. This is dependent (partially) on what they do with Australia, as Australia is their only other long haul market. So many rumours in regards to China!

[Johnny Aussie]

A little more on "The Rivers Monument" in the new A/B Connector.

http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2015/01/16...chance-on-challenging-art/#__federated=1

[Johnny Aussie]

Interesting development coming out of the USA.

The Big 3 US Carriers lobbying to restrict ME3 growth.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/brea...strict-gulf-carrier-growth-in-us-market/

[trofirhen]

Up until several years ago, I was all for letting in Emirates or Qatar into Vancouver, and was disappointed when we didn't get them.
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Time going by, and having observed what the M3 carriers (esp Emirates) have done in regard to siphoning off traffic to the Gulf airports (again, Dubai the leader) I know realize how these carriers can "cannibalize" air traffic which would normally be using other airlines, and am just as happy to see them out of YVR, with only a limited presence in Toronto.
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Here in YVR, we don't really need them as a connector at Dubai, as our prime
objective of air routes to India would be further undrmined by that, and there would, I'm sure be almost no O/D traffic between YVR-DBX.
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Having said that, however, I think that not only a route to Delhi would (for obvious factors already discussed here) will prove useful and necessary, but that another
route - such as into IST - would serve well tonnect to all the Middle East, the Balkans, Greece, and East Africa (Cairo, Nairobi, for example).
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There's a restriction on the # of flights into Canada allowed by "Ottawa" so naturally YYZ has the IST route locked down, for the time being.
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But back on topic, yes, Emirates (more than any other) has spread its tentacles far wide, and now serves not only London and Manchester, but Birmingham, Glasgow, and Dublin, siphoning off what would normally be BA, Pakistan International, Air India traffic, etc. And other European airlines are losing blood to them, including AF.
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However, if we're going to keep the M3 out - from a YVR perspective, anyway _ are there any routes and destinations that could be taken up profitably by any other airlines > > > > Ottawa permitting?

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Up until several years ago, I was all for letting in Emirates or Qatar into Vancouver, and was disappointed when we didn't get them.

I think this was up until a bit more recently than several years ago. Just saying.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Klazu

I think this was up until a bit more recently than several years ago. Just saying.

Thank you for the kick in the butt. OK, I'll rephrase that .......
Up until a couple of months ago .........
I was blind, but now can see ......
More to your satisfaction, I hope.

[Pinion]

Can I also request you stop saying things like "here in YVR" when you're in Europe, it's pretty weird. You can be interested in Vancouver without pretending to still live here.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Pinion

Can I also request you stop saying things like "here in YVR" when you're in Europe, it's pretty weird. You can be interested in Vancouver without pretending to still live here.

I'll simply drop the word "here" from any sentence or phrase referring to Vancouver. / BTW, I make no pretense about living there in Vancouver. I grew up there, so
it somehow still feels like "here" to me, in a sense. Hope you might understand that.

[Pinion]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

I'll simply drop the word "here" from any sentence or phrase referring to Vancouver. / BTW, I make no pretense about living there in Vancouver. I grew up there, so
it somehow still feels like "here" to me, in a sense. Hope you might understand that.

Not really but thanks.

[Canadian74]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Up until several years ago, I was all for letting in Emirates or Qatar into Vancouver, and was disappointed when we didn't get them.
*
Time going by, and having observed what the M3 carriers (esp Emirates) have done in regard to siphoning off traffic to the Gulf airports (again, Dubai the leader) I know realize how these carriers can "cannibalize" air traffic which would normally be using other airlines, and am just as happy to see them out of YVR, with only a limited presence in Toronto.
*
Here in YVR, we don't really need them as a connector at Dubai, as our prime
objective of air routes to India would be further undrmined by that, and there would, I'm sure be almost no O/D traffic between YVR-DBX.
*
Having said that, however, I think that not only a route to Delhi would (for obvious factors already discussed here) will prove useful and necessary, but that another
route - such as into IST - would serve well tonnect to all the Middle East, the Balkans, Greece, and East Africa (Cairo, Nairobi, for example).
*
There's a restriction on the # of flights into Canada allowed by "Ottawa" so naturally YYZ has the IST route locked down, for the time being.
*
But back on topic, yes, Emirates (more than any other) has spread its tentacles far wide, and now serves not only London and Manchester, but Birmingham, Glasgow, and Dublin, siphoning off what would normally be BA, Pakistan International, Air India traffic, etc. And other European airlines are losing blood to them, including AF.
*
However, if we're going to keep the M3 out - from a YVR perspective, anyway _ are there any routes and destinations that could be taken up profitably by any other airlines > > > > Ottawa permitting?

One of the most important thing the M3 offer for India/Pakistan routes is one-stop flights to secondary Indian/Pakistani cities which European/Turkish don't offer. That's why they are so desirable by travellers

[Large Cat]

Quoted from bike/pedestrian discussion:

Originally Posted by Large Cat

Just an update for people who may be biking to the airport:

The bike path from Templeton Station out to Airport Rd., next to the McArthur Glen designer outlet development, has been complete for a while. Here are some pics:

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