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Old Posted Jan 24, 2015, 6:38 PM
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I got confirmation from the Toronto office yesterday that there are no changes to everyone with an occupancy date of February 13th onwards. The office was quick to respond to my inquiry and confirm that my occupancy date was firm and was not push back. This is good news.
I hope that this is indeed the case and that there will be no move on my occupancy date (again) as well. We've decided to rent an Airbnb for the 10 day delay rather than pay an extra $1000 to rent an extended stay for a month just for the possibility that the occupancy date will be delayed again.

ETA: Well the airbnb didn't work out which is probably a good thing anyway. We discussed it further and decided the extended stay is probably better for the sake of lowering our stress levels hah.

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Old Posted Jan 31, 2015, 12:05 AM
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Delayed yet again! With just ten days notice...AGAIN. I fully expect this to continue for the next few months at this point.

Went from Feb 9 to Feb 18. Which means I'm pretty sure all of you are delayed as well.
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2015, 1:23 AM
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^confirmed. ={

I hope your temporary arrangements worked out.
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2015, 2:25 AM
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Me too!
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2015, 2:21 PM
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Delayed by only 4 days!

Interesting! I would like to know why JC is being delayed by almost 10 days in addition to the previous delay for a total of 19 days : original date was January 30 to February 18 while mine slipped only 4 days! Are they having even more people moving in per day! Also, how did your PDI go? I haven't been called yet for mine? Anyone else? Any major issues?

JC : good thing that you want for an extended stay!
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2015, 3:28 PM
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Interesting! I would like to know why JC is being delayed by almost 10 days in addition to the previous delay for a total of 19 days : original date was January 30 to February 18 while mine slipped only 4 days! Are they having even more people moving in per day! Also, how did your PDI go? I haven't been called yet for mine? Anyone else? Any major issues?

JC : good thing that you want for an extended stay!
This client is on the fifth floor as well and is delayed alongside jcphoenix. I was hoping to hear some more information as to why before I responded, but none as of yet. Pretty surprised how they are handling this. They should be up front and reaching out/communicating with you (IMO at minimum).
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Old Posted Feb 1, 2015, 12:34 AM
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^Yeah their biggest issue honestly is the lack of communication.

If they were honest with us right from the beginning when they realized they wouldn't make the dates, they would save everyone a lot of trouble.

Ide - I'm thinking they're going to try to mass move in a ton of people at the same time in order to avoid paying more delayed occupancy fees.

voltz8 - They did, thanks! We just finished moving, after starting at 8am yesterday, going through till 3am last night, and then 10am this morning all the way till now (my boyfriend has so many things, we had to get an additional storage unit). So very glad we went with the Minto extended stay cause we would have been having big issues on Feb 9 with an airbnb. Now that we're set up here, we're not as stressed if they delay again.

They are laughably poor at communicating in this situation but it's not without precedent, honestly. If you do a little research online regarding their work on The King East, you'll find similar stories to what's going on here (but even worse, with some people showing up on occupancy day only to find out their suite wasn't ready, sloppy work on the units themselves, complete lack of responses from Lamb, etc). That horror story happened after I purchased or I would have had second thoughts about going with Lamb.
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Old Posted Feb 1, 2015, 6:25 AM
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Also delayed! It went from February 1st to 13th to now the 24th.
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2015, 8:07 AM
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Originally the dates for interim occupancy were from January 30th to February 20th or so: about 3 weeks. Now, it appears that it goes from February 18th to February 24th or less than a week. How difficult will it be to book the service elevator to move-in on occupancy day, or how long after will it take as we are starting paying fees from the occupancy date, not from the time that we are able to book the elevator to move-in? Anyone talk to the head office in Toronto to find out? Any ideas how a builder gets away with this? Or by keeping changing the occupancy date? My lawyer has not heard anything from their lawyers yet? And no date for my PDI yet...One of my friend bought a house last summer and he knew 6 months ahead when was his occupancy and closing day and the builder respected that. Simply getting frustrated...
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2015, 2:57 PM
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Originally the dates for interim occupancy were from January 30th to February 20th or so: about 3 weeks. Now, it appears that it goes from February 18th to February 24th or less than a week. How difficult will it be to book the service elevator to move-in on occupancy day, or how long after will it take as we are starting paying fees from the occupancy date, not from the time that we are able to book the elevator to move-in? Anyone talk to the head office in Toronto to find out? Any ideas how a builder gets away with this? Or by keeping changing the occupancy date? My lawyer has not heard anything from their lawyers yet? And no date for my PDI yet...One of my friend bought a house last summer and he knew 6 months ahead when was his occupancy and closing day and the builder respected that. Simply getting frustrated...
Man this builder is really get a bad reputation in Ottawa and this is their FIRST building. With Soba having been incrementally delayed over a year (and Fortress' scary financial situation) and the complete F*&K UP that is finishing Gotham I would be surprised if they continue with their third project. I am super sympathetic to you guys who are eagerly awaiting to move into your units but man am I glad I didn't jump on this project. But you take a gamble no matter where you buy.
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2015, 11:55 PM
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So my boyfriend happened to get in a conversation with someone at a burger place where the construction guys for our building go to eat regularly today and found out the reason for the "unavoidable delay" from November/December.

He was told the plumbing contractor cut all the holes in the building the wrong size. When they were asked to fix it, they didn't have the resources, so that company went bankrupt.

Hardly sounds like the "extreme circumstance" required to be an unavoidable delay.

Ide - I know you looked at the contract before and saw that outside occupancy date of Nov 15 2015 (Nov 30 on my contract) as the date past which compensation is owed, but if you actually look closely at the contract, it implies that's only the penalty date UNTIL the "firm occupancy date" is set (which it was for all us for November/December 2014).

Once the firm occupancy date is set, delayed occupancy fees are owed for any delay past the FIRM occupancy date, not the outside occupancy date which is irrelevant at that point. The only circumstance in which a delay does not have a penalty after the firm occupancy date is if it can be considered an unavoidable delay. This can be seen where I attached an image of the contract with the appropriate paragraph highlighted below:



So the only question in whether we receive compensation or not then is whether their reason constitutes an "unavoidable delay".

To refresh everyone's memory - this is the EXACT definition in our contract:

"Unavoidable Delay" means an event which delays Occupancy which is a strike, fire, explosion, flood, act of God, civil insurrection, act of war, act of terrorism or pandemic, plus any period of delay directly caused by the event, which are beyond the reasonable control of the Vendor and are not caused or contributed to by the fault of the Vendor.

Note that it says it IS one of those things and not MAY BE. I don't know a lot about legal language but it seems likely to me that that limits the definition of an unavoidable delay to be one of those circumstances listed which a contractor doing something incorrectly doesn't fall under. Besides which, it's questionable whether the two month delay is something beyond the "reasonable control" of the Vendor and not "caused or contributed to by the fault of the Vendor".

I spoke with Tarion actually a few months back regarding this - the woman on the phone couldn't tell me one way or another what the decision would be (understandable that she wouldn't want to give me a false idea without knowing for sure). But she gave me an example of a time when the "unavoidable delay" clause was granted - and it was for the 1998 Ice Storm. This...doesn't seem to quite qualify in the same sense of an "extreme circumstance".

She also gave me the information on what to do next. When we move in, we will get an enrolment number with Tarion. We will then have access on their website to the delayed occupancy form. Fill out the form, send it back to Tarion, and their lawyers will then ask the builder for proof that this was an unavoidable delay. We're all going to have to fill these out at least for the past few weeks delay but I do think it'd be worth it for all of us to also see if it's possible to get compensation for the initial two month delay (up to the $7500 cap in total).

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Old Posted Feb 6, 2015, 3:30 PM
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Delayed Occupancy Claim

I figured I would share my experience with a delayed occupancy claim I made on my condo this past year.

In this case the builder had missed the firm occupancy date by enough days that I made a claim for the entire $7500 maximum payout. I was told by a reliable source that the builder had compensated some people on closing for this delay, however for some reason I was not. After being ignored for about 2 months by the builder after closing, I decided to file a claim through Tarion.

I believe it was an approximately $250 deposit to submit the claim. If the claim comes back in your favour, that amount is refunded to you. When submitting your claim make sure you have all the delay emails from the builder. The process took about a month and I was cut a cheque for the $7500 that I made the claim for.

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Old Posted Feb 6, 2015, 4:16 PM
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^Thanks for the tips andrew269, that really helps. The lady on the phone at Tarion didn't mention the $250 deposit so that's good to know. Though I think at this point, we're at the very least guaranteed compensation for the current couple weeks delay at minimum (and the $7500 cap for the two months at maximum) so I'll feel pretty confident about submitting a claim and putting down a $250 deposit.
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2015, 4:25 PM
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No problem. I remember being stressed out about submitting the claim but it was quite painless overall. The builder's excuse for unavoidable delay doesn't sound like it meets Tarion's requirements in this case so you should get your compensation. Based on a direct quote from Tarion's site:

An unavoidable delay is an extraordinary circumstance where an Occupancy Date may need to be delayed through no fault of the builder or purchaser. This may be a strike, fire, explosion, ‘act of God’, civil insurrection, act of war or terrorism, or a pandemic. If such a delay occurs, your builder is permitted to extend all deadlines by up to the length of the unavoidable delay period without paying you delayed occupancy compensation. Your builder must inform you at the outset of the delay, provide an estimate of how long it will last and give you written notice as soon as the delay has ended.

Link: http://www.tarion.com/Warranty-Protectio...es/Condominiums-Firm-Occupancy-Date.aspx

I would inform your lawyer that you plan on claiming that money and seeing if the builder is willing to credit you on closing. It would make the process a lot easier for all parties I think.
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2015, 6:07 PM
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How difficult will it be to book the service elevator to move-in on occupancy day, or how long after will it take as we are starting paying fees from the occupancy date, not from the time that we are able to book the elevator to move-in?
Yeah this is one of my main worries as well - we have a bed coming in from Montreal at some point in February as well as our couch we ordered several months ago coming sometime in mid to late February (possibly March)...so we're inevitably going to need the move-in elevator at least for the couch. Just hoping it doesn't clash with all the other times that people are moving in.
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2015, 9:08 PM
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LMFAO.

I have been delayed a third time in a few weeks. My move-in date just shifted from February 18 to February 24.

I sent Debbie back this:
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2015, 9:15 PM
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I just got a similar email, but my dates are further out as I am on the 15th floor.

FROM: 24 February 2015 TO: 5 March 2015.

I'd love to hear if Debbie replies.
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2015, 9:26 PM
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I just got a similar email, but my dates are further out as I am on the 15th floor.

FROM: 24 February 2015 TO: 5 March 2015.

I'd love to hear if Debbie replies.
She did actually. She took it well:

Hi xxxxxx –

I like your sense of humor.

We have been told by our construction project manager in Ottawa that should be the final extension notice. We are equally as frustrated with the number of delays and have communicated same to them.

Apologies for the stress and upheaval. This should be the last extension.

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Old Posted Feb 6, 2015, 9:36 PM
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My possession date for some other condo was moved from mid-September to mid-January......but I was advised 6 months ahead of time...still a surprise given difference in time of year both for selling and moving.

Good thing I was still able to sell my place in the autumn with delayed occupancy date for buyer.
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2015, 9:37 PM
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I* got moved to March 5th too.

JC: It's so sad, you're (as am I) past the phase of disappointment, now they're just a joke.

With all this extra time, this better be one SPECTACULAR building.
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