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Old Posted Jan 29, 2015, 2:22 AM
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Not sure if this has been posted already, but I happened to notice that Rogers-O'brien has a webcam for this project.
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2015, 9:06 PM
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I'm thinkin' I'll be voting against that bond.
I'd reather see that property go back on the market.
I do not belive the county will be good stewards of the best interst of downtown.
When they were in "private/public" mode I had hope.
Now I would "fear" a sub par building in a prime space that will crate a "dead Block " at night.
Think I'll pass.
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2015, 9:32 PM
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I'm thinkin' I'll be voting against that bond.
I'd reather see that property go back on the market.
I do not belive the county will be good stewards of the best interst of downtown.
When they were in "private/public" mode I had hope.
Now I would "fear" a sub par building in a prime space that will crate a "dead Block " at night.
Think I'll pass.
I totally agree. The only way I will consider voting yes is if the bond language includes specific language detailing how much and what type of ground floor retail will be included, that it will be leased market rate for non-governmental use (I can see them building in retail and then using it for office space), and that the south half of the lot will be used for non-governmental purposes. I hate to say it but I have no confidence in Travis County's ability to build a quality project. The more we know about the project before the vote and the more they commit to doing via specific bond language, the more likely I will vote yes.
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2015, 9:36 PM
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There is no way on God's great Earth that I will vote for the bond. Those idiots really screwed up when they decided against a PPP!
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2015, 10:21 PM
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They need the space, though, so where should it be built, if not there? Also, as with everything, the longer we wait the more expensive it'll be.
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2015, 10:24 PM
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I'm definitely leaning heavily toward "No" as well

A good building on that spot could be a catalyst for redevelopment of that awful state parking garage. The Hobby Building is already dead at night, and so is the garage. This has the potential to leave three dead blocks in a row, and I'm not comfortable handing the county a cheque without some very specific stats
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2015, 10:55 PM
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I'm definitely leaning heavily toward "No" as well

A good building on that spot could be a catalyst for redevelopment of that awful state parking garage. The Hobby Building is already dead at night, and so is the garage. This has the potential to leave three dead blocks in a row, and I'm not comfortable handing the county a cheque without some very specific stats
Preach! It gets a huge NO from me too. It's poison for 2nd street/seaholm districts. I am wondering what the general public thinks?

If AMOA weren't such a disaster of an organization I'd still be rooting for that.
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2015, 12:23 AM
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They need the space, though, so where should it be built, if not there?
Idk, maybe on some of that state-owned capitol complex land?
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2015, 12:39 AM
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I'm thinkin' I'll be voting against that bond.
I'd reather see that property go back on the market.
I do not belive the county will be good stewards of the best interst of downtown.
When they were in "private/public" mode I had hope.
Now I would "fear" a sub par building in a prime space that will crate a "dead Block " at night.
Think I'll pass.
LOL, look what you started, it's a full scale revolt! I'm with the rest of you, NAY!

When I was reminded that a courthouse is planned across the street from the park in the middle of one of the most user-friendly parts of the city, my heart sank. What a horrible use of that land, and what a perfectly wrong location for another gov't building. I wish it could be a park as well. Republic Square is a sad little plot of land and would have more potential if connected to a second block, and the street between them closed. In lieu of that I'll accept a 700' 68-story skyscraper with direct subway access and a gondola transfer station on the 2nd floor.
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2015, 1:13 AM
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Idk, maybe on some of that state-owned capitol complex land?
This is Travis County.
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2015, 6:28 AM
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A good building on that spot could be a catalyst for redevelopment of that awful state parking garage.
As noted in another thread, that state parking garage houses one of downtown's chilled water plants.

From Downtown Austin Blog back in 2010:

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An underground network of pipes that provide chilled water to meet the cooling needs of multiple buildings. There are two chill water plants serving the downtown Austin district. The first is located in the state parking garage at 3rd and Nueces.
It seems to me like you'd have to build (and pay for ) a replacement chilled water plant. before the garage could be torn down.
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2015, 6:39 AM
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As noted in another thread, that state parking garage houses one of downtown's chilled water plants.

From Downtown Austin Blog back in 2010:

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It seems to me like you'd have to build (and pay for ) a replacement chilled water plant. before the garage could be torn down.

Ugh. Utilities placement logistics suck balls. So we have the same problem with this lot as we do with the electrical substation.
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2015, 8:42 PM
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Ugh. Utilities placement logistics suck balls. So we have the same problem with this lot as we do with the electrical substation.
Does anybody know which of the new buildings downtown actually use the city's chilled water system?
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2015, 8:48 PM
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Littlefield Quarters off 6th st. & Brazos is getting a make over. Black tarp is now on one side of the building. Also from what I've heard recently is that Gold's Gym is moving back there.



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Old Posted Jan 30, 2015, 8:54 PM
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I found this list on Austin Energy's website.


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  • 5 Fifty Five Condos
  • 360 Condominiums
  • AMLI Apartments and Retail
  • Austin City Hall
  • Austin Convention Center
  • Ballet Austin
  • Courtyard by Marriott
  • Four Seasons Residences
  • Hampton Inn & Suites
  • Hilton Austin
  • Hyatt Place hotel
  • Residence Inn by Marriott hotel
  • Second Street District (mixed use)
  • Silicon Labs
  • Spring Condominium
  • THE 515 Congress Avenue
  • The Austonian
  • The Monarch apartments
  • The Plaza Lofts
  • The Shore Condos
  • The W Hotel and condos
  • The Westin hotel
  • Whole Foods Market
  • William P. Hobby building
They are also adding a third chiller for the Seaholm district.
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2015, 9:37 PM
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That whole block from 6th to 5th, to Brazos to Congress Ave will look alot different here in a few years. From the recent news that Gold's Gym is moving back to it's original place at the Littlefield Quarters which will now be call Littlefield Lofts once renvations are complete, will be great. Though hopefully soon the city can get on the ball making 6th street a 2 lane road instead of 4 with the sidewalk expansion. It will make it alot easier to walk down on 6th street once it's done instead of bumping into everyone.
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2015, 1:18 AM
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Though hopefully soon the city can get on the ball making 6th street a 2 lane road instead of 4 with the sidewalk expansion. It will make it alot easier to walk down on 6th street once it's done instead of bumping into everyone.
I didn't know about this, are they really going to do what should have been done 20 years ago? It would be fantastic to see Sixth shrink and sidewalks expanded. I was peeved back in the 90s when the makeover of that area failed to address the central problem of Sixth being treated more as a thoroughfare than a destination for people who aren't in cars.

The general trend downtown toward reducing lanes and one-way streets is going to make it a friendlier place for pedestrians and cyclists, and a lot more pleasant in general.

Speaking of wide one-way streets, Salt Lake City... am I right?
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2015, 2:33 AM
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They are also adding a third chiller for the Seaholm district.

Wow! I had absolutely no idea. Is this commonly done in other cities??
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2015, 6:22 PM
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Absolutely voting NO! The fact that the county was so short sighted as to disagree with and oppose the private/public option speaks volumes about their narrow mindset. We'll probably have a semi-clone of the Fed courthouse, albeit a few floors taller. It will certainly have the opposite effect of most if not all of the other projects being developed in the general area in that (as has already been pointed out) it would create a several block long "dead zone", connecting the bland, lifeless space that is the courthouse with the Hobby building in a neat, moribund row while separating the up and coming developments meant to spur and encourage activity to the South and West.
If that happens, Republic Square park should just be dug up and turned into a parking garage (no I'm not actually advocating that happen!) as it will be so under-utilized. It'll be an oasis bordered on two sides by cold, sterile buildings, with Hotel Zaza and whatever eventually happens with the post office block on the others. If it were built today, with the lack of progress on any development at the old post office location, it would virtually be almost completely surrounded by BOOOORRRRRIIINNGGG, with the exception of Zaza.
Imagine a public/private initiative that possibly could include a soaring tower with county office, public residential and/or hotel and entertainment components and include a well designed plaza, or plazas that could act as an extension(s) of the park. It could possibly include a second floor landing similar to the ACL location at the W, or the Violet Crown and have a pedestrian bridge or two crossing over and into the park for residents/occupants/visitors to flow into and out of at extended hours of the day instead of solely between 9 am to 5 pm or whatever county employee hours typically are. It would enhance your walk out of Hotel Zaza, or your condo or office nearby. You could go sit in the park and people watch, grab a bite to eat, listen to some music, see a movie, read, whatever....................if properly managed it could attract people 24/7. Not that anyone wants a ton of people making noise at 2 am, which is why I say "properly managed"! This site has so much potential, yet the powers that be at the county have shown they have little to no imagination or foresight. They seem to exhibit only fear of some sort of potential boondoggle and show no understanding of or interest in promoting balanced centralized growth, especially in such a prime location.


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I'm thinkin' I'll be voting against that bond.
I'd reather see that property go back on the market.
I do not belive the county will be good stewards of the best interst of downtown.
When they were in "private/public" mode I had hope.
Now I would "fear" a sub par building in a prime space that will crate a "dead Block " at night.
Think I'll pass.
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Imagine a public/private initiative that possibly could include a soaring tower with county office, public residential and/or hotel and entertainment components and include a well designed plaza, or plazas that could act as an extension(s) of the park. It could possibly include a second floor landing similar to the ACL location at the W, or the Violet Crown and have a pedestrian bridge or two crossing over and into the park for residents/occupants/visitors to flow into and out of at extended hours of the day instead of solely between 9 am to 5 pm or whatever county employee hours typically are. It would enhance your walk out of Hotel Zaza, or your condo or office nearby. You could go sit in the park and people watch, grab a bite to eat, listen to some music, see a movie, read, whatever....................if properly managed it could attract people 24/7. Not that anyone wants a ton of people making noise at 2 am, which is why I say "properly managed"! This site has so much potential, yet the powers that be at the county have shown they have little to no imagination or foresight. They seem to exhibit only fear of some sort of potential boondoggle and show no understanding of or interest in promoting balanced centralized growth, especially in such a prime location.
I'm imagining it, and I'm smiling. Don't wake me from this pleasant dream.
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