PHILADELPHIA | Highrise Development Thread IX - Page 319

summersm343 · #**6361** Posted **Jan 28, 2015, 2:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by Koernerstr32

I'm making comparisons between the philly general AND development threads to how chicago separates general AND highrise development threads. No duplications of updates and if this happens, moderators step in and re-direct to the appropriate discussion thread (whether it be general, highrise development, or any other thread like transportation etc). I am not making a comparison to just Philly/Chicago "general threads".

I'm simply echoing domodeez's original question since there seems to be duplicate posts within the Philly general AND development threads on both highrise and non-highrise topics (regardless if it's a highrise or general simply developmental topic).

Information/update is great....duplication is a challenge.

If it bothers you that much, then from now on any construction updates posted here will be redirected to their appropriate threads.

summersm343 · #**6362** Posted **Jan 28, 2015, 2:52 AM**

Domodeez and thisisforreal, your posts have been moved to the Philadelphia General Developments Thread

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=160247&page=126

ePlanningPhila · #**6363** Posted **Jan 28, 2015, 4:33 AM**

Still new on how to post 'right - size' photos. But I walked past this today. Demo work on SLS starts February 10th.

*Photo reposted in SLS thread*
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=208875&page=11

boxbot · #**6364** Posted **Jan 28, 2015, 5:26 AM**

Great post, ePlanning! I resized and posted in the SLS thread.

hammersklavier · #**6365** Posted **Jan 28, 2015, 6:41 AM**

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Originally Posted by Koernerstr32

I'm making comparisons between the philly general AND development threads to how chicago separates general AND highrise development threads. No duplications of updates and if this happens, moderators step in and re-direct to the appropriate discussion thread (whether it be general, highrise development, or any other thread like transportation etc). I am not making a comparison to just Philly/Chicago "general threads".

I'm simply echoing domodeez's original question since there seems to be duplicate posts within the Philly general AND development threads on both highrise and non-highrise topics (regardless if it's a highrise or general simply developmental topic).

Information/update is great....duplication is a challenge.

You're forgetting the third variable: traffic. The Philly General Developments thread is actually an amalgamation of something like a dozen distinct threads on major low-rise projects, because none of them really had the traffic to warrant their own thread. The basic idea is that it's a clearinghouse for news on small-scale development and such.

It's actually become busier in the last year or so, finding its own feet. Something you have to remember is that Chicago was the first General Developments thread. New York's isn't even a year old yet. With threads like these, you're not just undertaking a more efficient organization, you're also attempting to modify a sort of emergent posting culture, and since for a decade or so the Development Thread (Roman Numeral) was the only clearinghouse for general developments, it takes time for habits to change.

Yes, Summers and I could hurry the process along by reposting content originally posted in Development Thread (Roman Numeral) where it "ought to" belong, organizationally, but tbh it's just a lot of work and -- let me empathize -- you're kinda swimming against the current here anyway. Unless you're volunteering for the task, that is.

Cro Burnham · #**6366** Posted **Jan 28, 2015, 11:18 AM**

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Originally Posted by hammersklavier

Yes, Summers and I could hurry the process along by reposting content originally posted in Development Thread (Roman Numeral) where it "ought to" belong, organizationally, but tbh it's just a lot of work and -- let me empathize -- you're kinda swimming against the current here anyway. Unless you're volunteering for the task, that is.

I kind of agree with Koerner & Domodeez. But your points are well taken . . . nor am i up to volunteering for the task.

But I would think it would save Summersm alot of his own time not to repost most of the general development stuff in the main thread (or vice versa), which he seems to feel obliged to do for the sake of maximizing info availability.

philly13 · #**6367** Posted **Jan 28, 2015, 2:59 PM**

Does anyone know anything about the presentation at 30th Street for Drexel's "Innovation Neighborhood"? I read awhile back that it was supposed to be today but not much more.

thisisforreal · #**6368** Posted **Jan 28, 2015, 3:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by Cro Burnham

I kind of agree with Koerner & Domodeez. But your points are well taken . . . nor am i up to volunteering for the task.

But I would think it would save Summersm alot of his own time not to repost most of the general development stuff in the main thread (or vice versa), which he seems to feel obliged to do for the sake of maximizing info availability.

I don't think moving a bunch of posts around is worth the work involved. But as someone who is relatively new (but a super long time lurker), everytime I see the two threads, I have trouble remembering which is which. That others get the two mixed up and post in what we would collectively consider to be the wrong thread only adds to the confusion.

I just wish they were named differently, to make it easier to remember their roles.

If I were king for a day, I'd rename the Philly General Developments Thread the "Philly Smaller Project Developments" thread, and keep the other the same.

Then when I come across some architects vision for the Parkway in 2030, or plans to fix up I-95, I'd recognize right away these are visionary things for The Development Thread (part IX) as opposed to a small project.

ILovePhilly · #**6369** Posted **Jan 28, 2015, 3:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by philly13

Does anyone know anything about the presentation at 30th Street for Drexel's "Innovation Neighborhood"? I read awhile back that it was supposed to be today but not much more.

This is NOT THE DREXEL INNOVATION NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN.

This project is the 30th Street Station District Plan (Master Plan) - a joint project for Amtrak, Drexel, and Brandywine. http://www.phillydistrict30.com/

The open house for the 30th Street Station plan is today at 30th Street Station. It's an open house from 4pm to 7pm.

This phase of the project won't cover much in terms of development or build over but the study of those possibilities will be later in the project. This is setting the stage for future development possibilities.

philly13 · #**6370** Posted **Jan 28, 2015, 3:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by ILovePhilly

This is NOT THE DREXEL INNOVATION NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN.

This project is the 30th Street Station District Plan (Master Plan) - a joint project for Amtrak, Drexel, and Brandywine. http://www.phillydistrict30.com/

The open house for the 30th Street Station plan is today at 30th Street Station. It's an open house from 4pm to 7pm.

This phase of the project won't cover much in terms of development or build over but the study of those possibilities will be later in the project. This is setting the stage for future development possibilities.

Thanks! This is what I was talking about; I wasn't sure what to call it so I just called it the Innovation Neighborhood plan.

ILovePhilly · #**6371** Posted **Jan 28, 2015, 3:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by philly13

Thanks! This is what I was talking about; I wasn't sure what to call it so I just called it the Innovation Neighborhood plan.

n/p
I just wanted to emphasize,

I think this crew will find the actual Innovation plan much more exciting and I know that there's been some confusion about these two plans in the past. I wouldn't want people getting excited about this plan, showing up, and being confused about why this plan is focusing on market share and walking conditions.

So you all should come to the open house this afternoon! But don't expect any skyscraper plans!

summersm343 · #**6372** Posted **Jan 28, 2015, 3:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by Cro Burnham

I kind of agree with Koerner & Domodeez. But your points are well taken . . . nor am i up to volunteering for the task.

But I would think it would save Summersm alot of his own time not to repost most of the general development stuff in the main thread (or vice versa), which he seems to feel obliged to do for the sake of maximizing info availability.

I usually post large enough projects here first when they are announced so there can be discussion on them. Then I'll post them in the General Developments thread so all construction updates on the project can go there. I guess I'll make it more clear for now on.

MusicMan84 · #**6373** Posted **Jan 28, 2015, 4:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by summersm343

I usually post large enough projects here first when they are announced so there can be discussion on them. Then I'll post them in the General Developments thread so all construction updates on the project can go there. I guess I'll make it more clear for now on.

I'd just like to chime in and say that I appreciate the discussion of the differences. I have long wondered the intent, and have tried to participate appropriately by simply guessing between the two on which I should post something into.

I might posit that this sort of clarification (educating users on the difference) could go the longest way to reducing unnecessary duplication. (Which, ultimately, is a minor annoyance. No more risk than a little scroll-wheel carpal tunnel.)

I shall consider myself a better-informed contributor to these threads and try to select the appropriate thread. Thanks!

domodeez · #**6374** Posted **Jan 28, 2015, 6:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by thisisforreal

I don't think moving a bunch of posts around is worth the work involved. But as someone who is relatively new (but a super long time lurker), everytime I see the two threads, I have trouble remembering which is which. That others get the two mixed up and post in what we would collectively consider to be the wrong thread only adds to the confusion.

I just wish they were named differently, to make it easier to remember their roles.

If I were king for a day, I'd rename the Philly General Developments Thread the "Philly Smaller Project Developments" thread, and keep the other the same.

Then when I come across some architects vision for the Parkway in 2030, or plans to fix up I-95, I'd recognize right away these are visionary things for The Development Thread (part IX) as opposed to a small project.

Right. This is what I was getting at.

I see the names have been changed. Much easier for me to understand/remember how it works now. Thanks for the clarification Summers and for changing the name.

hammersklavier · #**6375** Posted **Jan 29, 2015, 2:36 AM**

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Originally Posted by domodeez

Not sure if these better renderings have been posted here yet for the new expansion of Penn's Perelman Center for Political Science and Economics (36 x Sansom):

http://m.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/bl...e-ahead-on-77-6m-development.html?r=full

This is an excellent example of the kind of thing that ought to go on the General Developments Thread.

("Major" as in "large-scale" hint hint)

allovertown · #**6376** Posted **Jan 29, 2015, 4:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by hammersklavier

This is an excellent example of the kind of thing that ought to go on the General Developments Thread.

("Major" as in "large-scale" hint hint)

Maybe I'm in the minority but I find the complaining over posting in the wrong thread much more annoying than any previous problem we had with differentiating the two threads. Just my .02.

1487 · #**6377** Posted **Jan 29, 2015, 1:59 PM**

This has to be good news in terms of tightening the office market which will lead to new construction in next couple of years.

http://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/...ible-society-to-consolidate-offices.html

http://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/...ssumes-citizens-bank-space-in-tower.html

ILovePhilly · #**6378** Posted **Jan 29, 2015, 6:38 PM**

One minor update:
Tower crane is in place at 20th and Market.
Still bummed about the final design but still glad it's moving along

One interesting tidbit:
This morning there were people test drilling in the parking lot at 20th and Sansom. I would LOVE to see that lot become something wonderful.

cafeguy · #**6379** Posted **Jan 29, 2015, 6:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by ILovePhilly

One minor update:
Tower crane is in place at 20th and Market.
Still bummed about the final design but still glad it's moving along

One interesting tidbit:
This morning there were people test drilling in the parking lot at 20th and Sansom. I would LOVE to see that lot become something wonderful.

Interesting! From what I am to believe, that parking lot is part of the castleway towers plot of land which is currently overvalued, so no one wants to buy it. Maybe they have a plan or maybe they are looking to sell or build!

McBane · #**6380** Posted **Jan 29, 2015, 8:02 PM**

Some old news that I didn't see posted here. Apologies if any of this is considered "general" development

Midrise proposal for 2401 Washington (news has been posted but I hadn't seen the renderings before). http://www.ocfrealty.com/naked-philly/graduate-hospital/plan-for-2401-washington-comes-into-focus The design is definitely "Philly" with the generic red brick, but whatever, it's not a really big project or particularly high profile.

Museum Towers II at 18th and Callowhill, 16 story proposal + townhomes (not a new proposal but I hadn't seen anything new on this since it was first reported last year) http://planphilly.com/articles/2014/01/0...ng-approvals-for-museum-towers-expansion I don't really get design. People will buy the townhomes with a parking garage behind it instead of a backyard? The tower looks solid.