YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by craneSpotter

^hmm, you're right! They should be a shoe-in for at least one more.

I'm thinking with the dollar vrs. the greenback we should see strong numbers for YVR-LA area due to an increase in filming activity. However, quick flight price checks show that it is still often much cheaper to fly to places like Vegas out of BLI for the price sensitive.

Since you mentioned BLI... I had a look at their stats.

Down almost 10% in 2014 compared to 2013.

http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2015/01/13/4075986_bellingham-airport-traffic-drops.html?rh=1

[excel]

How much cheaper really is it now considering the exchange rate, gas and parking money all included? Not to mention the hassle.

[Hot Rod]

from SSC


Interesting rumor of Kunming-Vancouver via Hangzhou on China East. This, in addition to the already rumored (but not listed here) Xiamen-Vancouver flight on Xiamen Airlines.

In addition to the numerous flights we have to the big 3 + 1 China cities on the Chinese majors and AC, we already have Chengdu-Vancouver via Shenyang on Sichuan Airlines. We need to get Chongqing-Vancouver into the mix (perhaps via Nanjing), and perhaps Urumqi-Vancouver via Tianjin or Harbin; then YVR would have command of the Chinese International market.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Hot Rod

from SSC


Interesting rumor of Kunming-Vancouver via Hangzhou on China East. This, in addition to the already rumored (but not listed here) Xiamen-Vancouver flight on Xiamen Airlines.

In addition to the numerous flights we have to the big 3 + 1 China cities on the Chinese majors and AC, we already have Chengdu-Vancouver via Shenyang on Sichuan Airlines. We need to get Chongqing-Vancouver into the mix (perhaps via Nanjing), and perhaps Urumqi-Vancouver via Tianjin or Harbin; then YVR would have command of the Chinese International market.

All this is unbelievably good news, but remember, if they're thinging of possibly routing anything into São Paulo through YVR, Emirates already has deep inroads into the China -
GRU route. Why?
It's geographically shorter, even with a stop at DXB. HK, Shanghai, Beijing,
are in fact closer to GRU on EK, as well as several other major EK destinations in S.A.: São Paulo, Buenos Aires, Rio de Janeiro.

Tokyo and Seoul, further west, remain closer via the Pacific

[Klazu]

Vancitybuzz: CF-18 fighter jets land at YVR Airport

[craneSpotter]

Originally Posted by excel

How much cheaper really is it now considering the exchange rate, gas and parking money all included? Not to mention the hassle.

Well first off, I'm not surprised BLI is down due to Hawaii being cancelled and fares from YVR now more competitive due to exchange rates, especially to California. I would expect BLI traffic to drop even more this year as some of the Canadians using it in the past find YVR cheaper now. It is currently (checking Feb 2015 - Delta) cheaper to fly non-stop from YVR to LAX, after exchange rate is applied, than to fly from BLI.

However for the very price sensitive, it can still be cheaper to fly to places like Vegas from BLI (over YVR). You can get flights that are more than $100CAD less return with great flight times - so if you are buying 4 tickets maybe worth it. I also believe parking is cheaper at BLI too: YVR is $20CAD/day in the economy lot and BLI is 6.25 to 10CAD/day - of course gas is currently going for as little as $0.59CAD/litre in Bellingham. The border crossing should be getting a bit quieter too, with a drop in x-border shopping. So for families in areas of the LM close to the border who are driving, it is probably just as convenient to go to BLI over YVR - BLI is a much smaller airport so in/out is quicker and if you save $100+ a ticket on top of that... with parking at half price or less...

[LeftCoaster]

With a lot of 2014 stats firming up I thought I'd take a look at top intl airports in North America (excluding Central America). Looks like YVR's good year bumped them into the top 10. Of note YVR is the fastest growing international airport in North America (on a percentage basis). All in all looks like a lot to celebrate.


http://imgur.com/wr4jRSv

I'd love to look at international only, but unfortunately US airports don't break it out that way, it's all just intl., so this will have to do, even though it skews Canadian airports higher.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

All this is unbelievably good news, but remember, if they're thinging of possibly routing anything into São Paulo through YVR, Emirates already has deep inroads into the China -
GRU route. Why?
It's geographically shorter, even with a stop at DXB. HK, Shanghai, Beijing,
are in fact closer to GRU on EK, as well as several other major EK destinations in S.A.: São Paulo, Buenos Aires, Rio de Janeiro.

Tokyo and Seoul, further west, remain closer via the Pacific

And thank you for constantly reminding us of that little tidbit for the 23rd time

I'd almost forgotten that one route was closer to route via somewhere else!

YVR is doomed!

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

With a lot of 2014 stats firming up I thought I'd take a look at top intl airports in North America (excluding Central America). Looks like YVR's good year bumped them into the top 10. Of note YVR is the fastest growing international airport in North America (on a percentage basis). All in all looks like a lot to celebrate.


http://imgur.com/wr4jRSv

I'd love to look at international only, but unfortunately US airports don't break it out that way, it's all just intl., so this will have to do, even though it skews Canadian airports higher.

Love that chart. Little ole YVR punching well above its weight!

I think also the problem with "international" stats is that we should also breakdown North America as a whole because the Caribbean, Mexico and Central America technically fall into that category. We all know that YVR's international stats are boosted significantly by transborder but if you factor in all that sun flying from YUL, we would again have a totally different picture. In any event it is cool to see YVR is now the #2 airport in Canada for international. There are challenges ahead and YUL certainly getting more int'l capacity as well in 2015.... we will see how this all pans out :-)

YYZ Nov and Dec stats could actually push them into the #1 growth spot for overall pax for the major Canadian Airports for 2014 (ahead of YVR). Time will tell :-)

[LeftCoaster]

Time really will tell, and they are taking their sweet time releasing their stats. So much for that Toronto work ethic eh?

I wish someone would break down # of widebody aircraft seen by each airport, becuase that really is one aspect that makes an airport feel a lot larger.

Miami intl for instance doesn't feel like as massive an intl hub as it is because so many of their intl flights are on 737s and 320s down to the carribean/central america, whereas plane spotting at somwhere like Changi you see a lot of heavy planes landing.

[cyeg66]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

I'd love to look at international only, but unfortunately US airports don't break it out that way, it's all just intl., so this will have to do, even though it skews Canadian airports higher.

I know what you're saying (the point you're trying to make), however I don't understand it when folks diss Canadian airports for "inflated" international stats, as though the transborder passengers shouldn't count toward them. For some puritans, it's just not as 'sexy', I guess. International travel can't be more simply or clearly defined: Do they cross a border?

Dubai is now the world's busiest international airport, but could also be labeled, somewhat less glamorously, the most impotent domestic airport in the world. Lines must be drawn somewhere.

Impressively, YYZ may fall just short of 24M international pax.

[Hourglass]

With all the rumored interest from Chinese airlines in flying to YVR, I could see them doing onward flights to Central/Latin America if TWOV does become a reality. TSA in the US has an appalling reputation and procedures at US airports are not really geared to optimize international-international transfers.

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by Hourglass

With all the rumored interest from Chinese airlines in flying to YVR, I could see them doing onward flights to Central/Latin America if TWOV does become a reality. TSA in the US has an appalling reputation and procedures at US airports are not really geared to optimize international-international transfers.

Yeah, TWOV would be a big thing, as many have pointed out. Personally, I always try to avoid connect at US airports just because of the TSA circus. It might not seem so bad for you with Canadian passport, but for us foreigners the paperwork is a mess not worth touching unless one has to.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

And thank you for constantly reminding us of that little tidbit for the 23rd time

I'd almost forgotten that one route was closer to route via somewhere else!

YVR is doomed!

No, it is not doomed !! I'm just saying that with Emirates and its routes into China, Vancouver does not have the monopoly many would like to believe.
Nevertheless, we're doin' pretty damn' hotshit good, yes! Case closed

[Klazu]

I think Emirates and Dubai are a much bigger threat to a hundred other airport than YVR. Our corner of the world might be one of the most protected places from the reach of Middle East airlines due to our location.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Klazu

I think Emirates and Dubai are a much bigger threat to a hundred other airport than YVR. Our corner of the world might be one of the most protected places from the reach of Middle East airlines due to our location.

Thank you, that puts it into perspective so much better. Excuse me. As people say, YVR is positioned to be THE Asia Gateway. Again, I stand corrected.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

No, it is not doomed !! I'm just saying that with Emirates and its routes into China, Vancouver does not have the monopoly many would like to believe.
Nevertheless, we're doin' pretty damn' hotshit good, yes! Case closed

I was just taking the piss! But yeah the spin cycle about South America.
I was getting kinda dizzy.
Fact ----> YVR is doing just fine without one direct link to South America.
Q. Why are there no direct links to South America?
A. YVR-South America is a blip.
Q. Will YVR land a direct South America link?
A. Absolutely a huge possibility... But will be quite limited to no more than a handful of frequencies to just a very few destinations.

YVR has very far from any sort of monopoly. Does anyone really think that they do? What YVR does have is an excellent array of options to all over Asia, and increasingly to Europe. The China market is still hugely untapped and YVR is perfectly positioned to grab a bigger chunk of it along with a host of many other North American cities. :-) I still think there won't be much more to Europe YVR can make feasible but Asia? Oh yeah... and if some of that includes links to South America... Excellent! More to come!

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I was just taking the piss! But yeah the spin cycle about South America.
I was getting kinda dizzy.
Fact ----> YVR is doing just fine without one direct link to South America.
Q. Why are there no direct links to South America?
A. YVR-South America is a blip.
Q. Will YVR land a direct South America link?
A. Absolutely a huge possibility... But will be quite limited to no more than a handful of frequencies to just a very few destinations.

YVR has very far from any sort of monopoly. Does anyone really think that they do? What YVR does have is an excellent array of options to all over Asia, and increasingly to Europe. The China market is still hugely untapped and YVR is perfectly positioned to grab a bigger chunk of it along with a host of many other North American cities. :-) I still think there won't be much more to Europe YVR can make feasible but Asia? Oh yeah... and if some of that includes links to South America... Excellent! More to come!

Regarding this, I was thinking only of Lima and São Paulo, nothing more.
(well, ok, ..... maybe Santiago in a few years ... )

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by excel

How much cheaper really is it now considering the exchange rate, gas and parking money all included? Not to mention the hassle.

depends how cheap a person one is i guess, but a friend is looking to go to arizona, its direct from vancouver to phoenix for $275 US dollars, from bellingham to phoenix with one stop it was $213 US dollars, not imo worth the savings if you have to have a stopover somewhere

[SpongeG]

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