Millennium Line - Evergreen Extension | Completed - Page 386

dpogue · #**7701** Posted **Jan 16, 2015, 5:00 AM**

Video from this morning showing a bit of Lougheed side platform and where the outbound guideway joins the existing inbound guideway.

It's probably very hard to see, but where the guideways join there's some silver bolts in the centre for the LIM rail. They've also installed some more platform-level glass for the side platform.

jsbertram · #**7702** Posted **Jan 17, 2015, 12:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

Maybe the frequency currently allows reversing on the M-Line mainline, and in future, when M-Line frequency increases to Expo Line levels, they'll extend it to that pocket track near Holdem - or truncate it at Lougheed.

For the left turn lanes. That wouldn't have happened if they had accepted a "side-of-road" alignment.

The problem with a "side-of-road" alignment during the planning stages was letting either Burnaby or Coquitlam have jurisdiction of the tracks on North Road - and be responsible for the extra costs of repairing the roads during construction.

Since they wouldn't let each other 'win' owning the tracks, the province decreed a line down the middle of North Road - which is also the boundary line between the cities. The Skytrain construction also required widening North Road and relocating the road one lane westwards into Burnaby, so that city had to pay for the extra roadwork costs on the southbound side, and Coquitlam had to pay for extra Northbound roadwork on their side of North Road.
Persnikity people will say that one track is in Burnaby, the other in Coquitlam until it turns onto Clarke, at which time it becomes all-Coquitlam.

A similar Burnaby vs. Coquitlam pissing match helps explain why there isn't (and likely won't be) a Cameron Station on the line.

officedweller · #**7703** Posted **Jan 20, 2015, 10:07 PM**

Agreed - if they could have agreed to a side, it would have turned out better.

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More Webcam pics at Lincoln Station - 8:15 am this morning
- starting to lay guideway section within the station.
This is why it's cheap to build a side platform station.

http://wcs.pbaeng.com/projects/R1_Transit

MIPS · #**7704** Posted **Jan 21, 2015, 2:56 AM**

I keep invisioning someone travelling the guideway end to end in a bicycle.

Large Cat · #**7705** Posted **Jan 21, 2015, 5:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by MIPS

I keep invisioning someone travelling the guideway end to end in a bicycle.

That would be fun

If only they would tack a cycle track on to the side of all above-ground guideway

TransitJack · #**7706** Posted **Jan 21, 2015, 6:55 PM**

Forgive me for being a bit confused...

So, the Truncated M-Line service is possibly planned to terminate at Production Way (I assume to accommodate the SFU traffic ex Expo Line Branch)? If so, then is the extra platform at Lougheed TC even required anymore?

Sorry, I've tried to follow along... maybe I missed this discussion already.

aberdeen5698 · #**7707** Posted **Jan 21, 2015, 7:02 PM**

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Kisai · #**7708** Posted **Jan 21, 2015, 8:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by TransitJack

Forgive me for being a bit confused...

So, the Truncated M-Line service is possibly planned to terminate at Production Way (I assume to accommodate the SFU traffic ex Expo Line Branch)? If so, then is the extra platform at Lougheed TC even required anymore?

Sorry, I've tried to follow along... maybe I missed this discussion already.

How this works is explained here http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4758619&postcount=1495

Though even then, the "third platform" would have only been used for trains terminating or starting there, presumably because there was no guarantee that the skytrain induction rail was going to be used as part of whatever may have continued from that point. So while there was certainly thinking ahead in having the platform, it may still not get used for much. The Stadium station's third platform is used for events/training, but not much else.

jsbertram · #**7709** Posted **Jan 21, 2015, 10:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by MIPS

I keep invisioning someone travelling the guideway end to end in a bicycle.

I'd rather be ON a bicycle.

or an old vespa:

jsbertram · #**7710** Posted **Jan 21, 2015, 10:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by Large Cat

That would be fun

If only they would tack a cycle track on to the side of all above-ground guideway

or attach a bicycle storage car to the train:

jsbertram · #**7711** Posted **Jan 21, 2015, 11:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by TransitJack

Forgive me for being a bit confused...

So, the Truncated M-Line service is possibly planned to terminate at Production Way (I assume to accommodate the SFU traffic ex Expo Line Branch)? If so, then is the extra platform at Lougheed TC even required anymore?

Sorry, I've tried to follow along... maybe I missed this discussion already.

If the RFEOI is correct, Expo line trains will run between Waterfront and King George (as they always have) or Waterfront and Production/SFU, with the split happening at Columbia.

Millennium line trains will run between VCC / Clarke and Lafarge /Doug College using today's VCC to Lougheed segment and the new Evergreen extension from Lougheed to Doug College.

To switch between Expo trains and Millennium trains, you would need to change at Broadway/Commercial or Lougheed.

It appears there won't be an 'evergreen line' nor 'evergreen line trains' when the Evergreen extension opens next year.

officedweller · #**7712** Posted **Jan 23, 2015, 1:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by TransitJack

Forgive me for being a bit confused...

So, the Truncated M-Line service is possibly planned to terminate at Production Way (I assume to accommodate the SFU traffic ex Expo Line Branch)? If so, then is the extra platform at Lougheed TC even required anymore?

Sorry, I've tried to follow along... maybe I missed this discussion already.

Not at the moment but in future it would be.

It would not be necessary if the configuration was just a single centre platform like at Bridgeport - but a configuration like that would get overcrowded in future (think Metrotown Station)

With the platforms, as built, the wrong-railing is necessary to get trains from Coquitlam and trains from Braid to the same "Vancouver-bound" platform, for the convenience of passengers headed to Vancouver

This is the operational plan.
The only changes that will result is that the blue line will continue through the middle to Production Way Station (instead of switching to the south platform to reverse), and the yellow line will originate from the west from Production Way Station.

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SFUVancouver · #**7713** Posted **Jan 24, 2015, 12:15 AM**

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Originally Posted by Kisai

The photographer missed an apostrophe in the "Photographers (sic) identity not given by request." watermark. This should read: "Photographer's identity not given by request.", though that's still an awkward sentence.

red-paladin · #**7714** Posted **Jan 24, 2015, 5:06 AM**

Looking again at that switching diagram, I'm still concerned that it's going to compromise the ability to run trains at high frequency.

aberdeen5698 · #**7715** Posted **Jan 24, 2015, 7:12 AM**

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Originally Posted by red-paladin

Looking again at that switching diagram, I'm still concerned that it's going to compromise the ability to run trains at high frequency.

You have to remember that it's station dwell time that constrains capacity. Once you get away from the stations there's actually a lot of room between trains.

GeeCee · #**7716** Posted **Jan 24, 2015, 7:48 AM**

They'll probably have to slow way down to make that tight curve anyways.

Meraki · #**7717** Posted **Jan 24, 2015, 8:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by red-paladin

Looking again at that switching diagram, I'm still concerned that it's going to compromise the ability to run trains at high frequency.

Entering Lougheed is already arguably the slowest station approach on the Millennium Line due to the switches, particularly inbound from Braid. I assume once the Evergreen Line is up all trains will be just as slow around Lougheed, regardless of direction. It won't be an impact on frequency, but passing through Lougheed will take noticeably longer than other stations on the line.

MIPS · #**7718** Posted **Jan 24, 2015, 9:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by GeeCee

They'll probably have to slow way down to make that tight curve anyways.

That's nothing for a SkyTrain thanks to the articulating bogies. It can make that doing 50.
Methinks that once that section of the line is completed they'll running trains through the switches in a number of combinations to fine tune the new signalling pattern.

dpogue · #**7719** Posted **Jan 24, 2015, 6:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by MIPS

That's nothing for a SkyTrain thanks to the articulating bogies. It can make that doing 50.
Methinks that once that section of the line is completed they'll running trains through the switches in a number of combinations to fine tune the new signalling pattern.

Also keep in mind there's another set of switches just before Burquitlam station to get trains back to their correct routing. Normally that wouldn't slow things down, but these switches will be being used by all trains.

SOSS · #**7720** Posted **Jan 24, 2015, 6:37 PM**

Another week with no tunnel boring. They are active on snake hill.