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Old Posted Jan 15, 2015, 11:50 PM
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really? i love Lowes, rona is horrible. the lowes stores in edmonton are amazing.

wasn't target still working on a winnipeg store? or did it recently open?
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2015, 12:05 AM
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Put an outlet mall in the Garden City area! Build it and they will come! Tired of all these retailers taking all the consumers away from this area. Why can't these retailers build in this area. Build it and they will come!
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Put an outlet mall in the Garden City area! Build it and they will come! Tired of all these retailers taking all the consumers away from this area. Why can't these retailers build in this area. Build it and they will come!
Yeah, but I'd rather let them revitalize Garden City Shopping Centre first. That place hasn't seen any refresh since Canadian Tire and Winners.

The powers that be who owns and manages that site are neglecting that mall right now.
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Anyone know the cost breakdown on the Polo Park Target? How much did it cost to build and who paid for it? Is Cadillac Fairview getting stiffed or did they lock Target into an iron-clad lease?

Seems unnecessarily extravagant in terms of some the features given that Target was clearly without a clue in Canada and not that committed if they are pulling out completely within 2 years.

Find it really hard to envision someone taking that building over without significant changes being made to it. All of the other big boxes are already in the area, and many of them in recently built or renovated buildings.
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Office Depot on Pembina is the new new home of Value Lots. Not sure if that is a long term tenant as everything just seems to be dumped all over the place in there
Yeah, I noticed that, but I have no idea. Over the last ten years it's transitioned between a temporary halloween store and nothing. I thought maybe this was another temporary tenancy, but I could be wrong...
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2015, 12:46 AM
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Yeah, but I'd rather let them revitalize Garden City Shopping Centre first. That place hasn't seen any refresh since Canadian Tire and Winners.

The powers that be who owns and manages that site are neglecting that mall right now.
Speaking of Canadian Tire in malls, I wouldn't mind one of those at Grant Park. They could use a more central location since they closed their greasy Isabel location.
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2015, 12:56 AM
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Speaking of Canadian Tire in malls, I wouldn't mind one of those at Grant Park. They could use a more central location since they closed their greasy Isabel location.
I'd love a Canadian Tire in that location! Ain't gonna happen, though. They've got Polo Park and Kenaston Common. Another store would probably just render each of those less profitable...
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The Value Lots (run by the NorthWest Company)at the former Office Depot on Pembina, is a clearance store that sells videos games, toys, clothing from the "Northern Stores" in Northern Canada. Some of the products still have the Northern sticker on them
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The Value Lots (run by the NorthWest Company)at the former Office Depot on Pembina, is a clearance store that sells videos games, toys, clothing from the "Northern Stores" in Northern Canada. Some of the products still have the Northern sticker on them
That's almost worse news.

Dare I say that after a little real-estate booming that the reality of Winnipeg is beginning to set it. If we keep trying to construct new buildings to accommodate untested retail concepts in this city, we're going to have a ton of very ugly vacancy.
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The Value Lots (run by the NorthWest Company)at the former Office Depot on Pembina, is a clearance store that sells videos games, toys, clothing from the "Northern Stores" in Northern Canada. Some of the products still have the Northern sticker on them
Their clearance outlet use to be called Odd Lots and they re-branded around 2008. At that time there was one at Ellice @ Wall in the old CO-OP location. That location had a Pharmacy and financial services.

I have not been that way in a while, is the Wall St location still open?
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2015, 1:57 PM
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Anyone think Walmart might leave St V for Southdale now?

Bring on Kohls, TJ Maxx, and Macy's now I guess. All 3 can jump in now, would be foolish for anyone to take over 130 stores by themselves.

Apparently Menards wants to come up North as well. Would prefer them over Lowes!
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2015, 2:33 PM
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Lowes is terrible compared to Rona. If they did arrive here the same thing would happen to them as happened to Target.
Lowes are throughout Western Canada and into Ontario already..?
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2015, 3:12 PM
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Anyone know the cost breakdown on the Polo Park Target? How much did it cost to build and who paid for it? Is Cadillac Fairview getting stiffed or did they lock Target into an iron-clad lease?

Seems unnecessarily extravagant in terms of some the features given that Target was clearly without a clue in Canada and not that committed if they are pulling out completely within 2 years.

Find it really hard to envision someone taking that building over without significant changes being made to it. All of the other big boxes are already in the area, and many of them in recently built or renovated buildings.
Target paid for it and Target owns the site it is on. The building cost between $25 and $30m.
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2015, 3:20 PM
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Lowes is terrible compared to Rona. If they did arrive here the same thing would happen to them as happened to Target.
Rona is terrible. I have a Rona 2 minutes closer to me than a Home Depot and consistently try to give it a chance instead of going to Home Depot. Almost every time I go I cannot find what I'm looking for and staff to assist you are almost non existent.......not to mention all of the "Rona" brand crap they sell.

95% of the time I get frustrated after about 10 minutes in the store. I then curse to my self about entertaining the thought of going to Rona first instead of Home Depot and head out back to my truck and drive to Home Depot to get what I need.

I would love for Lowes to take over Rona.
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Target paid for it and Target owns the site it is on. The building cost between $25 and $30m.
Incredible! All that for basically three months of business before going bankrupt. It's a beautiful store for a discount retailer... I only made it in there once myself, but I was impressed.
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Rona is terrible. I have a Rona 2 minutes closer to me than a Home Depot and consistently try to give it a chance instead of going to Home Depot. Almost every time I go I cannot find what I'm looking for and staff to assist you are almost non existent.......not to mention all of the "Rona" brand crap they sell.

95% of the time I get frustrated after about 10 minutes in the store. I then curse to my self about entertaining the thought of going to Rona first instead of Home Depot and head out back to my truck and drive to Home Depot to get what I need.

I would love for Lowes to take over Rona.
I wasn't comparing Rona to Home Depot. I was comparing Rona to Lowes as I have shopped in both a lot. Lowes is far worse than Rona. Home Depot is a big step up from both.
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Target paid for it and Target owns the site it is on. The building cost between $25 and $30m.
Yeah its unfortunate they pulled out altogether. I personally preferred Target to Wal-mart. I'm pretty surprised they didn't just scale back on their really poor performaing stores and then try a slower build over time.
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I'm sure someone will swing in and scoop up that Polo Target store. I've seen that style of building a number of times in other cities. Lots of times it's Walmart, with parking below the 2nd level store.
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I'm sure someone will swing in and scoop up that Polo Target store. I've seen that style of building a number of times in other cities. Lots of times it's Walmart, with parking below the 2nd level store.
I wonder if it will end up housing a company that might not have otherwise bothered coming to Winnipeg? I can see someone like Nordstrom Rack or Simons not wanting to bother with the expense of a new building when they are moving into a bigger, wealthier markets... but with a nice new building just sitting there, perhaps the balance tips in favour of coming here.

Here is a list of things I would not like to see taking over the Target store at Polo Park:
-Dollarama
-Part Source
-Manitoba Liquor and Lotteries head office
-Value Village
-Giant Tiger
-World's largest Tim Hortons
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Anyone think Walmart might leave St V for Southdale now?
Short of being able to open their Supercenter format across the street or the mall effectively evicting them there is zero change Wal-Mart leaves their extremely high profile location in St Vital. The distance, both visible and physically, of Southdale from St Vital Centre was an added challenge for that specific Target.

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Wasn't Wal-mart suppose to be going in the new development to the east of Southdale on Fermor @ Plessis Rd.
Wal-Mart changing the location of a planned store when a challenge or opportunity comes up is nothing new in Winnipeg. The current McPhillips store was publically announced for McPhillips and Murrary before being built at its current location.

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wasn't target still working on a winnipeg store? or did it recently open?
The Polo Park Target store opened in October 2014 and was the province's only newly built location. The other four were renovations. It was thought that Target was to be a lead anchor for Westport Festival (Portage and the Perimeter) and also looking for a northwest store, possibility the McPhillips and Murrary location that Wal-Mart once was working on.

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I did a lot of shopping at KP Sears this past season and found it unusually well stocked.
The issues with Sears are pretty well documented. Lots of store closing in the US and selling off prime locations and owned properties, included KP, in Canada.

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Sears is comparatively well-run within the industry, but that's not Stopping JC Penney and others from deep cuts and hundreds of store closings...
The current executive is using a "competitive" model between their business units. This leads to horrible practices like the benefits to the appliance department being worse when they sell the chains Kenmore line. This is definitely not comparatively well run and actually contributing to the issues they are experiencing.

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How big would a Lowe's be and would they fit the "Style" of malls that Target is departing in Winnipeg?
Lowe's is a similar sized store to Target. The issue becomes the lumber yard and garden centre. Only the Kildonan Place location would work well for their usual format. If pushed into it Southdale and Polo Park could be made to work. Grant Park is likely a completely non-starter though.

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Speaking of Canadian Tire in malls, I wouldn't mind one of those at Grant Park. They could use a more central location since they closed their greasy Isabel location.
The sizing of Canadian Tire to the Grant Park Target space is definitely a reasonable fit. The biggest question here is if it would be viewed as too close to the Kenaston store.

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Bring on Kohls, TJ Maxx, and Macy's now I guess. All 3 can jump in now, would be foolish for anyone to take over 130 stores by themselves.

Apparently Menards wants to come up North as well. Would prefer them over Lowes!
Macy's is definitely a special case in this scenario. In the states they have grown through acquisitions including the former mid-range stores run by Target under several different banners over the years. That deal just closed ten years ago and likely giving them some informal, friendly level of access to current high level employees over something like golf. Further, Macy's has repeatedly looked at Canada and always said no. The opportunity to take over old Eaton's locations was a far better fit and they passed on that three different times. Based on Target's experience here I would put this as a near zero percent chance of happening now for at least five years.

TJ Maxx is already here as the chain operates the same store under the Winners name in Canada. As they are still actively working on rolling out their Marshalls banner in Canada there is no chance, and no real benefit, to rolling out another banner here.

Menards will have similar issues to Lowe's when considering Target locations. They also would have to setup Canadian operations entirely. With the economic showing signs of a downturn my thinking is they will instead choose to focus on their existing markets.

Kohls is a definite possibility. They have expressed interest in Canada and the dumping of Target leases presents a relatively unique opportunity to establish a wide presence in this market. Having 60,000 to 100,000 sq ft stores is also a reasonable match to the Target sizes. Not having the need for an outside yard like Menards or Lowe's could also work well. They will likely be having some serious discussions around the board room on if this opportunity makes sense for them. The biggest questions would seem to be if their financial position is strong enough and if their supplier agreements would allow them to have a nearly identical product mix in Canada, two lessons to learn from Target.

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IKEA announced it will open 10 or more smaller concept stores starting on the west coast by the end of 2015 they plan to have all stores in place...
My guess is that if Manitoba is seeing any of the smaller IKEA stores east Winnipeg, possibly the Target at Kildonan Place, and Brandon would be the most likely locations. This would allow people to order to store and have it there later that day or the next day based on shipping from the Kenaston mother store.

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I hate to even bring it up, but I'm hoping the Office Depot situation in Madison Square isn't instructive in some capacity. There's really nothing that would have stopped a one-off retailer looking for ~20K sq ft from re-purposing that spot, and yet... Same goes for the one of Pembina.
The Madison Square store dates back over 30 years. When it opened the tracks still existed parallel to St James limiting development along the west side. The tracks are gone and big box stores moved in which was better visibility. With Polo North and now The Plaza (former stadium site) coming on market it seems that location will have a hard time finding a new tenant.

The Pembina Office Depot location has relatively limited parking which could be an issue. The Pembina and Bishop retail node is also running into pressure of being too close to both Kenaston and St Vital. Most retailers tend to open in one or both those locations over Pembina now.
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