The Great Canadian Transit Thread - Page 276

Innsertnamehere · #**5501** Posted **Jan 8, 2015, 1:32 AM**

performs like 🞵🞵🞵🞵 in Toronto, but it might just be because the TTC is way behind on maintenance and the vehicles are far past their recommended replacement date.

Nouvellecosse · #**5502** Posted **Jan 8, 2015, 2:01 AM**

Well technically the Skytrain system contains two types of technology. The more exotic linear induction of the older lines which is also used in Scarborough, as well as the more conventional Canada line. Not sure if there's really a compelling advantage to going to exotic route.

GreaterMontréal · #**5503** Posted **Jan 8, 2015, 1:14 PM**

According to TVA, for 2014

TTC : 540M trips
STM : 422.4M trips
TL: 241.6M trips
OCT : 98.8M trips

http://tvanouvelles.ca/lcn/infos/regional/montreal/archives/2015/01/20150105-044830.html

Metro-One · #**5504** Posted **Jan 11, 2015, 11:13 AM**

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Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

Well technically the Skytrain system contains two types of technology. The more exotic linear induction of the older lines which is also used in Scarborough, as well as the more conventional Canada line. Not sure if there's really a compelling advantage to going to exotic route.

The advantage of the linear induction trains is the faster operating speeds.

Anyways, here is an update of the Evergreen Line making its way through downtown Coquitlam. This is Lincoln Station.

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Originally Posted by officedweller

Webcam pics from today - beams being installed at Lincoln Station:

http://wcs.pbaeng.com/projects/R1_Transit

And a couple pics from Coquitlam Station (which will be a major hub station for buses and will have a connection to the WCE commuter rail station). Also note the spur track being built for a future extension east to Port Coquitlam.

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Originally Posted by dpogue

Photo: Grant Matice (Source)

This is the PoCo stub track:

Photo: Grant Matice (Source)

I love how extensive the skytrain network is becoming. It may not be the most amazing expansion speed in the world, but 3 new lines of a fully grade separated metro opening in roughly a 15 year window is pretty good if you ask me.

SkahHigh · #**5505** Posted **Jan 13, 2015, 1:53 AM**

La Caisse will help Quebec Transports finance transit projects, mainly for Montreal. 7.6 billion over 10 years.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on...p-fund-transit-projects/article22421827/

Innsertnamehere · #**5506** Posted **Jan 13, 2015, 2:40 AM**

looks rather shady if you ask me, it sounds like a P3 with no competitive bidding and simply giving them all to a single company.. doesn't look good in the recent wave of corruption charges the government is dealing with.

SkahHigh · #**5507** Posted **Jan 13, 2015, 2:46 AM**

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Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

looks rather shady if you ask me, it sounds like a P3 with no competitive bidding and simply giving them all to a single company.. doesn't look good in the recent wave of corruption charges the government is dealing with.

It's not that shady, it's the Caisse de Dépôt pension fund. Similar to the OTPP in Ontario.

Innsertnamehere · #**5508** Posted **Jan 13, 2015, 3:15 AM**

yea it would be equally shady if the Ontario government sole sourced construction contracts and financing for $7.6 billion dollars worth of work directly to the OTPP. Private financing is fine, but do it on a project by project basis with some open bidding on it. P3s are already the norm in Ontario, with multiple highway and transit projects being built and operated by private operators. Just not the entire provinces transit project list being sole sourced to a single company with no bidding process.

SkahHigh · #**5509** Posted **Jan 13, 2015, 3:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

yea it would be equally shady if the Ontario government sole sourced construction contracts and financing for $7.6 billion dollars worth of work directly to the OTPP. Private financing is fine, but do it on a project by project basis with some open bidding on it. P3s are already the norm in Ontario, with multiple highway and transit projects being built and operated by private operators. Just not the entire provinces transit project list being sole sourced to a single company with no bidding process.

The only thing they're doing is funding the projects and getting some revenue. There will still be a bidding process for construction operators. This will help accelerate the progress of transit extensions/constructions in Montreal, which are greatly needed...

MalcolmTucker · #**5510** Posted **Jan 13, 2015, 5:35 AM**

^ I don't really get why that makes sense versus having Caisse bid against other potential concessionaires.

SkahHigh · #**5511** Posted **Jan 13, 2015, 11:05 AM**

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^ I don't really get why that makes sense versus having Caisse bid against other potential concessionaires.

Other concessionaires which could be...? I don't see any other private companies that could and should be engaged in this, Caisse is by far the biggest investor in Montreal real estate and also owns some infrastructure elsewhere in the world. Read the article.

The same thing is being done with the Crossrail project in London, as well as the number 7 subway line in New York. This was done in Hong Kong too, a city which has one of the most extensive transit networks in the world as of now. So this isn't exactly a new concept...

A study was made by National Bank about the funding of transit infrastructure for Montreal and this was the conclusion. If anything it's great news.

GreaterMontréal · #**5512** Posted **Jan 13, 2015, 11:24 AM**

La Caisse is one of the 10 largest real estate asset managers in the world.

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Its current portfolio of Quebec-based assets topped $53-billion at the end of 2013.

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Outside its home base, the Caisse’s infrastructure investments include a 26.7-per-cent stake in the Port of Brisbane in Australia’s Queensland and, more recently, a multi-partner development anchored around a new GO Bus terminal in downtown Toronto.

A LRT on Champlain and le train de l'ouest are the most important projects in the next 5 years.

1overcosc · #**5513** Posted **Jan 13, 2015, 3:17 PM**

Caisse has a bit of a reputation among investment circles for being a bit too attached to its Quebec homebase, which limits its overall growth potential, as opposed to the CPP Fund which is known for actively pursues opportunities all over the globe. I have no idea if this distinction is true, but its what a lot of people think.

GreaterMontréal · #**5514** Posted **Jan 13, 2015, 3:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by 1overcosc

Caisse has a bit of a reputation among investment circles for being a bit too attached to its Quebec homebase, which limits its overall growth potential, as opposed to the CPP Fund which is known for actively pursues opportunities all over the globe. I have no idea if this distinction is true, but its what a lot of people think.

I don't think investing in Quebec limits it's growth. It's part of their long term plan.

SkahHigh · #**5515** Posted **Jan 13, 2015, 3:51 PM**

CEO Michael Sabia just announced La Caisse wants to have the South Shore LRT and Train de l'Ouest projects completed for 2020. Great news! We might finally get our rail link to the airport.

GreaterMontréal · #**5516** Posted **Jan 13, 2015, 3:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by SkahHigh

CEO Michael Sabia just announced La Caisse wants to have the South Shore LRT and Train de l'Ouest projects completed for 2020. Great news! We might finally get our rail link to the airport.

I think there is a chance to see the LRT on Champlain be linked to Train de l'Ouest.

SkahHigh · #**5517** Posted **Jan 13, 2015, 4:02 PM**

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I think there is a chance to see the LRT on Champlain be linked to Train de l'Ouest.

I don't see how that's possible. One is going South and the other is going West, with both lines ending in Downtown...

GreaterMontréal · #**5518** Posted **Jan 13, 2015, 4:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by SkahHigh

I don't see how that's possible. One is going South and the other is going West, with both lines ending in Downtown...

that's that I mean by linked, you now have 2 LRT line.

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L'implication de la Caisse de dépôt dans le financement de grands projets de transport sur le nouveau pont Champlain et dans l'ouest de Montréal pourrait donner naissance à un réseau de tram-train, de système léger sur rail (SLR) ou de «métro de surface», selon la technologie qui sera retenue. Les lignes du train de l'Ouest et du SLR-Pont Champlain convergeraient vers le centre-ville de Montréal.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/montre...populaires-actualites_article_ECRAN1POS5

$5B

MalcolmTucker · #**5519** Posted **Jan 13, 2015, 4:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by SkahHigh

Other concessionaires which could be...? I don't see any other private companies that could and should be engaged in this, Caisse is by far the biggest investor in Montreal real estate and also owns some infrastructure elsewhere in the world. Read the article.

The same thing is being done with the Crossrail project in London, as well as the number 7 subway line in New York. This was done in Hong Kong too, a city which has one of the most extensive transit networks in the world as of now. So this isn't exactly a new concept...

A study was made by National Bank about the funding of transit infrastructure for Montreal and this was the conclusion. If anything it's great news.

Ferrovial, Acciona, Macquarie, Alinda, Cintra, Actividades de Construcción y Servicios, Kellogg Brown & Root, Carillion, Balfour Beatty, and good old SNC.

Provide a rate of return and you'll get 10 bidders at the RFQ stage.

Delirium · #**5520** Posted **Jan 13, 2015, 6:53 PM**

this is so cool! north American transit lines in one map. not sure if every single city is represented but pretty neat regardless.

Photo by Sotosoroto https://www.flickr.com/photos/sotosoroto/16272136795/sizes/h/