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Old Posted Dec 30, 2014, 5:05 AM
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Paying their bills?.................no it's called debt accumulation.

BC not only has, by far, the highest rate of mortgage debt but also, by far the highest rate of personal debt. This backed up by the fact that BC is the only province with a NEGATIVE savings rate and has been negative every year this millennium. Keeping up with the Jones {or should I say Wongs} is the national pastime out here.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 31, 2014, 5:23 AM
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Hold on a second... there are literally millions of people living in London (England) and in Vancouver, and hundreds of thousands living in London (Ontario), if things were as bad as you, and others, are implying, they would all leave... clearly people living in those cities do manage to pay their bills somehow...
Well, a lot of this is a fairly recent phenomenon.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 31, 2014, 6:06 PM
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Hold on a second... there are literally millions of people living in London (England) and in Vancouver, and hundreds of thousands living in London (Ontario), if things were as bad as you, and others, are implying, they would all leave... clearly people living in those cities do manage to pay their bills somehow...
They pay their bills, but just barely. At least in the case of London (UK) and Vancouver most young people get by, but buying a home and raising a family isn't something that's easily done. Not unless you want to live way out in the far flung burbs somewhere, at which point you aren't really in London or Vancouver any more.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 31, 2014, 6:27 PM
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BC not only has, by far, the highest rate of mortgage debt but also, by far the highest rate of personal debt.
This is outdated! Alberta vaulted past BC last year with the dubious honour of highest household debt. Of course they can handle the higher debt because they have higher average 'paper' incomes - so as long as the Alberta economy is strong and continues its strong population and economic growth they can absorb the higher debt levels. If things slow down significantly - ouch (same with BC of course)! Average net worth is also an important metric to consider - it is a standard used to rank the overall wealth of folks

http://www.calgaryherald.com/business/Al...erage+household+debt/10079082/story.html

Yes, if there is a large housing 'correction', lots of folks in Vancouver, Toronto and Calgary regions may be in trouble. This recent article has the summarized CMHC house price analysis & assessments for the Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto and Montreal housing markets. This CMHC data is comprehensive and very useful, good data on our housing market is lacking and too many media outlets perform 'simple' and 'speculative' analyses and report as fact. Vancouver is a skewed market that isn't quite what the media makes it out to be, still high but many pockets of affordability Arrears rates will help tell the story in 2015 - these are currently highest in Atlantic Canada and lowest in Ontario.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on...ly-overvalued-cmhc-says/article21724011/

http://www.cba.ca/contents/files/statistics/stat_mortgage_db050_en.pdf

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Old Posted Jan 1, 2015, 4:40 AM
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I have to have a laugh right now. This is one of the longest threads with no meaning. I have watched this thread go now where for years. It is the best example of the chicken little sky is falling!

SSI is living in BC because his inlaws and boyfriend pay for him. He has no goals or real ideas to reality outside of growing up in London Ontario. First he lived on Salt Spring island where I have lots of relatives.
Now he lives in beautiful white rock! Both places 99% of our country could dream to live in! Honestly his nightmare dream of BC is his own insecurities of his own life!

Those of us whom live in BC and support ourselves are not doing so badly! Sure we might not be Billionaires but most of us millionaires are not complaining like him!
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 1, 2015, 5:19 AM
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The one thing I forgot to mention is this Berklon person. He is the chicken in the chicken little story! Ignorance is not bliss! It just creates insecurity! Just because your world is small please do us all a favor and try not speaking your opinions are just stupid!

Sorry no other way to be nice about it!
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 1, 2015, 2:47 PM
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The one thing I forgot to mention is this Berklon person. He is the chicken in the chicken little story! Ignorance is not bliss! It just creates insecurity! Just because your world is small please do us all a favor and try not speaking your opinions are just stupid!

Sorry no other way to be nice about it!
The statistics prove that you're delusional.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 1, 2015, 5:16 PM
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I have to have a laugh right now. This is one of the longest threads with no meaning. I have watched this thread go now where for years. It is the best example of the chicken little sky is falling!

SSI is living in BC because his inlaws and boyfriend pay for him. He has no goals or real ideas to reality outside of growing up in London Ontario. First he lived on Salt Spring island where I have lots of relatives.
Now he lives in beautiful white rock! Both places 99% of our country could dream to live in! Honestly his nightmare dream of BC is his own insecurities of his own life!

Those of us whom live in BC and support ourselves are not doing so badly! Sure we might not be Billionaires but most of us millionaires are not complaining like him!
Sense you do not make.


Everyone and there dog is finally starting to agree that canada is a bubble.

No one said when its gonna a pop even if it does.


Most of us agree that post 2008 most of the growth in this country has been built speculation.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 2, 2015, 3:23 AM
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Sense you do not make.


Everyone and there dog is finally starting to agree that canada is a bubble.

No one said when its gonna a pop even if it does.


Most of us agree that post 2008 most of the growth in this country has been built speculation.
My perspective is much different. I do not see that "everyone" is starting to agree that Canada is in a bubble. We may be seeing a cyclical slowdown, but not a bubble.

I would define a burst bubble as a nation wide 30% decrease in home prices (similar to the US decrease between 2007 and 2010, using the Case-Shiller Home Price Index).

And "most of us" do not agree that post 2008, most of the growth in this country has been built speculation. If your statement was true, stock markets would have crashed.

The sky is not falling.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 2, 2015, 3:53 AM
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Where will growth come from? With Canadians already to over extended on debt and interest rates already at the floor how will growth occur to boost the "cyclical downturn" in the past you could spur growth with manipulation of lending rates but no capacity exists to do that anymore.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 2, 2015, 7:47 PM
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Boom town: Hamilton housing predicted to stay hot in 2015
Hamilton the only big Canadian city with price increases projected over 2 years, TD says

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/n...-predicted-to-stay-hot-in-2015-1.2883809

Major Canadian bank economists say Hamilton will continue to be one of the strongest housing markets in the country in 2015.

Some predictions are even more striking.

“For 2015-2016, Hamilton is the only city where we actually have home prices growing over the two years,” said TD real estate economist Diana Petramala.

The TD analysis looks at the largest 14 cities in Canada.

Over the last few years, Hamilton’s housing market has been hot, often ahead of the pack in how much prices rose or how many homes sold. The market has been a frequent talking point, its strength touted as evidence of the city's vibrancy.

Hamilton, where prices rose six per cent last year, has been experiencing the kind of sales and price activity more typical in Vancouver, Calgary and Toronto. While the rest of the country may wonder about the continued strength of local housing markets, Hamilton appears poised to remain hot in 2015.

BMO Financial Group economists expect national housing prices to “scratch out a small gain” in 2015, said chief economist Doug Porter.

No scratching expected in Hamilton.

“I have to say the dynamics in Hamilton looks to be one of the firmer markets in the country,” Porter said.

The projected strength comes as builders try to keep up with demand. There are more than a dozen condo and townhome projects comprising hundreds of units in downtown Hamilton alone, under construction or about to start.

Less clear than the cranes in the air: What effect the continued frenzy will have on Hamilton neighbourhoods and whether first-time buyers will find a way in to homeownership.

Rising prices are good news for homeowners, but not usually for those who haven’t bought in to the market yet.

"It’s now, I think, pretty much an established fact that Hamilton's beginning to experience gentrification," said Richard Harris, who teaches a fourth-year real estate class at McMaster University. "For such a long time that just seemed like something that had passed Hamilton by."

More supply on the way

The pipeline has hundreds of units on the way in projects that have been recently completed, are under construction or about to commence. Here are just a few with more than 75 units, from the city's urban renewal department:

City Square Phase 2 — 85 Robinson: 99 units.
Residences at Acclamation – James Street North: 60 units.
150 Main Street West: 142 units.
Royal Connaught – King St E: 697 units over five phases.
The Connolly – James St. S: estimated 259 condos, proposed 30 storey.
Artizen Condos – James St. N: estimated 100 units.
Spallacci Homes – 101 Locke Street: estimated 104 units.
467 Charlton Ave. East: 162 units.
220 Cannon Street (Vrancor) – 12 storey, mixed use – estimated 100 units.
Tivoli Theatre condos – estimated 106 units.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 2, 2015, 10:29 PM
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It's so great to see The Hammer doing so well, It's one of my favourite cities in Ontario!
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2015, 1:52 AM
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Denial is hell of a drug, this correction in the market is gonna be massive. Even Calgary Edmonton are no longer immune.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2015, 2:43 AM
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Denial is hell of a drug, this correction in the market is gonna be massive. Even Calgary Edmonton are no longer immune.
Is this one of those " if you say it long enough it will eventually come true" type things
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2015, 2:53 AM
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Is this one of those " if you say it long enough it will eventually come true" type things
Of course it is. House prices in Calgary aren't even that bad. I think the 'worst' (not actually bad) that could happen is say a 5% contraction over a year or two. That's what I'm hoping for, at least.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2015, 4:58 AM
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Denial is hell of a drug, this correction in the market is gonna be massive. Even Calgary Edmonton are no longer immune.
Wanna bet me $1000 dollars the average price of a detached house in Toronto won't fall below $700,000 within 1 year from today? (30% Correction Level)

Are you game?
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2015, 5:47 AM
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Wanna bet me $1000 dollars the average price of a detached house in Toronto won't fall below $700,000 within 1 year from today? (30% Correction Level)

Are you game?
Hmm this is good question. When and where this correction will hit is an interesting question.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2015, 5:48 AM
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Why the short time frame? Are you actually less confident with current rates than your posts suggest?
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2015, 5:49 AM
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Why the short time frame? Are you actually less confident with current rates than your posts suggest?
Me or him?
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2015, 5:51 AM
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Why the short time frame? Are you actually less confident with current rates than your posts suggest?
Ok 2 years $2000 dollars.

I'll escrow the money anytime.
     
     
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