YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 339

Gordon · #**6761** Posted **Dec 15, 2014, 5:56 AM**

That's the 1st reduction in Asian service in a while.

Johnny Aussie · #**6762** Posted **Dec 15, 2014, 6:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by Gordon

That's the 1st reduction in Asian service in a while.

Reduction in capacity yes... Service no. Superior product across the board on the new 773 plus the intro of F class. I have to say it is pretty rare for airlines to put brand new aircraft, with all brand new upgraded premium products (including F) on YVR routes.

When CZ switched from the 772 to the 788 and JL switched from the 763 to the 788 those were reductions in capacity too.

Summer 2015 capacity to Asia overall definitely on the uptick for sure with PR, AC and rouge leading the way.

Johnny Aussie · #**6763** Posted **Dec 15, 2014, 8:04 PM**

Next step in Jetlines journey. 5 firm orders and 16 purchase rights.
Deliveries to commence in 2021.
They still plan to launch next year.

http://www.jetlines.ca/2014/12/15/canada...of-up-to-twenty-one-21-737-max-aircraft/

excel · #**6764** Posted **Dec 16, 2014, 1:48 AM**

I wonder what they will be leasing in the meantime. I assume A319 as previously mentioned?

craneSpotter · #**6765** Posted **Dec 16, 2014, 4:39 AM**

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Originally Posted by excel

I wonder what they will be leasing in the meantime. I assume A319 as previously mentioned?

To start they plan on leasing two 737-300 'classics' and have them ready by June 2015 (equipment&crew). Growing to 7 or 8 aircraft by 2016. After that they plan on adding some 737-700/800NG aircraft before taking delivery of the MAX in '21.

On-line reservation/booking system is supposed to be up by March 2015. All of this happening only on a successful public offering.

Johnny Aussie · #**6766** Posted **Dec 16, 2014, 5:47 AM**

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All of this happening only on a successful public offering.

And that will be a monumental task.

In any event the concept of having a ULCC based in Vancouver is rather exciting.

I hate being a skeptic but I just don't see how many viable markets fall into their criteria on such a large plane. 733s aren't huge but in a HD configuration they will most likely be around the 150 seat mark.

Perhaps they will open up nonstop flights to YQU or YQL among others. But on 150 seaters... Just don't know how this is all going to fly.

All the best to them.

deasine · #**6767** Posted **Dec 16, 2014, 1:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I hate being a skeptic

I don't think it's about being skeptical, but rather about being realistic.

Kapten · #**6768** Posted **Dec 16, 2014, 5:44 PM**

Perhaps they will open up new markets like Windsor & Halifax by only flying to these markets 1-2 times per week?

Zmonkey · #**6769** Posted **Dec 17, 2014, 3:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by Kapten

Perhaps they will open up new markets like Windsor & Halifax by only flying to these markets 1-2 times per week?

hamilton? city of 500,000 plus, sits closer to Niagara a region of 450,000, plus all the Western suburbs of Toronto and Kitchener/ waterloo region are all fairly close to be attracted be cheaper fares.

Probably cheer to land there than YYZ.

craneSpotter · #**6770** Posted **Dec 17, 2014, 6:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by Zmonkey

hamilton? city of 500,000 plus, sits closer to Niagara a region of 450,000, plus all the Western suburbs of Toronto and Kitchener/ waterloo region are all fairly close to be attracted be cheaper fares.

Probably cheer to land there than YYZ.

Hamilton -YHM is definitely on their radar, but probably not until late 2016 (or even later - should they launch and make it past 2015). I believe they need the 737-700/800 NG planes to make eastern routes/sun destinations work for them.

Initially their base will be YVR and flights will be from their base to points in the western Provinces...all crews will return to base each night.

Reading between the lines I can see a second, smaller crew/plane base set up at YEG within 36 months (jet service from YEG to YHM/YMM/YXE/YQR/YWG & winter sun spots are all possible). When/if they expand east I could see YHM as a low cost base that would work to attract the budget/leisure flight crowd. I also suspect that they have some sort of (unofficial) deal with resource companies to ferry workers to camps - and I don't just mean Ft Mac.

I think these guys have a shot, the ones that failed before had different business plans and either picked the wrong aircraft or wrong routes.

Johnny Aussie · #**6771** Posted **Dec 19, 2014, 2:01 AM**

AC launched daily 787s to NRT replacing the 763. This was the second YVR-Asia route to get Dreamlinered.

AC rouge launched new route to PHX.

AC rouge launched new route to PSP.

I'm about to experience rouge for the first time this weekend... HNL-YVR.

casper · #**6772** Posted **Dec 19, 2014, 8:40 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

AC launched daily 787s to NRT replacing the 763. This was the second YVR-Asia route to get Dreamlinered.

AC rouge launched new route to PHX.

AC rouge launched new route to PSP.

I'm about to experience rouge for the first time this weekend... HNL-YVR.

Not as bad as a many reports. Not certain about the 767, but I was on a Rogue 319 down to Las Vegas last month from Vancouver. Went down in Rogue Premium and back in a economy. Feels more like the Lufthansa or Air France continental Europe product.

Porfiry · #**6773** Posted **Dec 19, 2014, 5:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I'm about to experience rouge for the first time this weekend... HNL-YVR.

God help you.

trofirhen · #**6774** Posted **Dec 19, 2014, 6:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by Porfiry

God help you.

Yikes!! Is Rouge as bad as you seem to imply? (service-wise, at any rate?)

excel · #**6775** Posted **Dec 19, 2014, 7:07 PM**

I flew Rouge YVR-HNL. It's not horrible but not great either. Luckily with their mediocre selection of movies and tv shows on their complimentary in flight entertainment system you can just watch a movie or two and pass the time.

Canadian74 · #**6776** Posted **Dec 19, 2014, 11:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Yikes!! Is Rouge as bad as you seem to imply? (service-wise, at any rate?)

I don't think service is that bad, it's the hard product that is bad - seats, ife, legroom etc.

Porfiry · #**6777** Posted **Dec 20, 2014, 12:27 AM**

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Yikes!! Is Rouge as bad as you seem to imply? (service-wise, at any rate?)

You take your standard Air Canada 767 and cram in 70-90 more passengers. Have fun.

It might be tolerable for short haul, but HNL is a 6 hour flight. Sadly it seems they're intent on Rouge-ing every vacation destination in the network. Some more reading:
http://www.airlinequality.com/Forum/air_canrge.htm

Klazu · #**6778** Posted **Dec 20, 2014, 4:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by Porfiry

You take your standard Air Canada 767 and cram in 70-90 more passengers. Have fun.

Are you sure about those numbers? Is that even possible?

Gordon · #**6779** Posted **Dec 20, 2014, 4:25 AM**

Yes according to seat guru one of the rought cofingurations seats around 280.

ae there any updates on the pier A\B connector project?

Klazu · #**6780** Posted **Dec 20, 2014, 8:30 AM**

I had my first Dreamliner experience yesterday - twice!

We were supposed to be flying Lufthansa via Frankfurt to Helsinki, but due to their plane running late on its way to Vancouver, they agreed to re-route us without extra charge with Air Canada through Toronto and Copenhagen. I was so delighted to find out that both of these legs happened to be onboard their brand new Dreamliners (very surprised by the CPH flight)!

What a fantastic plane it is. Such a different feeling of space and so quiet during take-off! Even flying in Economy was a breeze in comparison to some of the older places, like 747's, and I loved the 3+3+3 configuration. Entertainment system is well-designed, but I was surprised there still being some lag when using the system. Otherwise the it was a good experience and I hope to be able to fly with 787 soon again.