Millennium Line - Evergreen Extension | Completed

[officedweller]

The same applies to another railway corridor - the Grandview Cut - there's no direct access to the platform from the north side of the Cut (although that may change with this round of renos).

[nname]

Originally Posted by Olden Retreiver

This seems somewhat similar to my beef in Port Moody that the WCE/Evergreen station has been effectively moved a full block east, further from my house, from the foot of Hugh Street to the foot of Williams Street. All residents more than a block west of Moody Street are poorly served, and in conjunction with the arrival of Evergreen, TransLink wants to slash our bus service in West Port Moody from #160 Express plus 97B-Line plus C24 to just a short-turn 160 and the C24 Glenayre EACH WITH ONLY 30 MINUTE FREQUENCY.

The C24 has been revised to every 15minutes peak in the latest update of the plan.

[SOSS]

97-B was destined to be shut down upon opening of the Evergreen line since it was basically its predecessor. Its unfortunate that Guildford Way is going to experience severely reduced bus traffic but the original plan was to have SkyTrain run along Guildford.

Could the lack of access from Mariner-Johnston and Grandview Cut area be the attempt to download costs to local municipalities? The Port Moody station should be connected over the heavy rail tracks towards Murray Street and Rocky Point Park right at the station. Instead, the city has expanded the sidewalk on the Moody St overpass.

[GlassCity]

Originally Posted by SOSS

97-B was destined to be shut down upon opening of the Evergreen line since it was basically its predecessor. Its unfortunate that Guildford Way is going to experience severely reduced bus traffic but the original plan was to have SkyTrain run along Guildford.

Could the lack of access from Mariner-Johnston and Grandview Cut area be the attempt to download costs to local municipalities? The Port Moody station should be connected over the heavy rail tracks towards Murray Street and Rocky Point Park right at the station. Instead, the city has expanded the sidewalk on the Moody St overpass.

Actually its bus traffic will be barely affected. Once the Evergreen Line is complete, they'll open a new bus route running from Moody Centre Station to Coquitlam Central Station via Guildford Way. The frequency will be 10 minutes peak/15 minutes off peak, which I don't think is bad at all. Not sure if it will continue to be express though, or become a local service.

[SOSS]

Originally Posted by GlassCity

Actually its bus traffic will be barely affected. Once the Evergreen Line is complete, they'll open a new bus route running from Moody Centre Station to Coquitlam Central Station via Guildford Way. The frequency will be 10 minutes peak/15 minutes off peak, which I don't think is bad at all. Not sure if it will continue to be express though, or become a local service. [/IMG]

Great. Hopefully the proposal goes through. They should add additional service going up Heritage Mt too.

[Olden Retreiver]

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The "Proposed" map illustrates very clearly the inadequate service in western Port Moody post-Evergreen.

15-minute 97B-Line service (in conjunction with the existing C24, which helps with the capacity issue) replaced by 30-minute C24 on a circuitous route just doesn't cut it.

This can be analyzed very rationally. Burquitlam Station and Port Moody Central are abnormally far apart for any rapid transit line. They require some sort of bus bridge between them.

Not to mention the prospect of C24 buses turning left from Cecile Drive onto Clarke Hill. Surprised there haven't been multiple deaths with the existing C24 minibus service.

[BCPhil]

Originally Posted by finalcoolman

Have you seen how busy the intersection of Clarke & Como Lake is? This is my issue with opening up Burquitlam on its own early (you would make it the new 'Braid' station of 2002). It would be a gong show, because you are moving alot of ridership traffic & bus traffic from Lougheed, Production & Braid Station bound for not just SFU and the Burquitlam area as originally envisioned but also all of Port Moody, Coquitlam, PoCo, an to an extent Pitt Meadows & Maple Ridge (via the 97). All to a station and a location never designed or envisioned for this much SkyTrain -> bus transfer traffic. It doesn't really solve anything, 97 B-Line still has to go up Clarke Hill etc... Thus as a Port Moody resident, I am firmly against opening up Burquitlam early on its own.

Why would you move all those bus lines there? It would only cost more money as many of those lines would end up being longer to divert them up there, especially for such a short period. You would keep running buses as normal, and let people transfer on or off them if they want to get on the train early. The people in the area, and it is a fast growing area, would benefit as they aren't held hostage by the 97 bline anymore. Because of the traffic, the 97 comes at random times, and many times it is full by the time it is there.

The main benefit would be for Translink and everyone else on the rest of the line. You could segregate Evergreen line operation early, increasing frequency from Lougheed to VCC-Clark. You could have trains run every couple minutes, how great would that be? It would also make the line independent from any problems that crop up on the Expo Line, and iron out any bugs in full line operation before the full switch over takes place.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by SOSS

97-B was destined to be shut down upon opening of the Evergreen line since it was basically its predecessor. Its unfortunate that Guildford Way is going to experience severely reduced bus traffic but the original plan was to have SkyTrain run along Guildford.

Could the lack of access from Mariner-Johnston and Grandview Cut area be the attempt to download costs to local municipalities? The Port Moody station should be connected over the heavy rail tracks towards Murray Street and Rocky Point Park right at the station. Instead, the city has expanded the sidewalk on the Moody St overpass.

Probably a combination of keeping costs down and a function of where demand is expected to come from (additional connectivity can be added later).

The Ioco Station was located to be accessible from both sides of the highway.

The same one-sidedness exists with Sapperton Station (and VCC-Clark) and the industrial land uses to the east. People use the emergency exit all the time (and TransLink is addressing the situation somehow (short of an actual entrance) - can't recall how though).

I could see Grandview North being resistant to having a "crime ridden" SkyTrain entrance in "their community".

[Zassk]

Can someone enlighten me? After building Guildford obviously to accommodate a SkyTrain down the middle, why did Port Moody and Coquitlam decide they didn't want SkyTrain there?

[officedweller]

One reason was proximity of the proposed station location to an elementary school.

[SOSS]

Originally Posted by Zassk

Can someone enlighten me? After building Guildford obviously to accommodate a SkyTrain down the middle, why did Port Moody and Coquitlam decide they didn't want SkyTrain there?

NIMBYs with noise levels dividing neighbourhood, line and crime. Too bad since a line there would have serviced that section of PoMo way better.

[DKaz]

Originally Posted by officedweller

The same one-sidedness exists with Sapperton Station (and VCC-Clark) and the industrial land uses to the east. People use the emergency exit all the time (and TransLink is addressing the situation somehow (short of an actual entrance) - can't recall how though).

Translink issued an RFP last year to provide design services for a Compass Card reader at the bottom of the emergency stairwell at Sapperton Station.

[adrianroam95]

The Evergreen Line Facebook page posted new photos of Burquitlam Station:











Plus a bonus pic of the curve onto North Road:



At Coquitlam Centre, this video from BCNEWSVIDEO shows the progress of guideway construction, as of December 13.

• Video Link

[queetz@home]

Burquitlam Station and the tracks leading to it is going to be SO ready for passenger service by Summer, 2015. The pics are absolute proof why that is so. Again...with feeling....they should really open it early as there is no technical reason why they cannot do so.

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by queetz@home

Burquitlam Station and the tracks leading to it is going to be SO ready for passenger service by Summer, 2015. The pics are absolute proof why that is so. Again...with feeling....they should really open it early as there is no technical reason why they cannot do so.

We need to come up with a new skytrain problem that queetz et. al. can become obsessed with.

[officedweller]

Thanks for posting - swift progress in Coquitlam!

Note the banking of the guideway for the turns.

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As long as we don't go back to the naming issue...

[SOSS]

Those pics look great. Any update on when digging resumes?

[red-paladin]

Originally Posted by DKaz

Translink issued an RFP last year to provide design services for a Compass Card reader at the bottom of the emergency stairwell at Sapperton Station.

The new mayor of New West says he'll push / lobby for a proper elevator entrance.

[Jebby]

Originally Posted by queetz@home

Burquitlam Station and the tracks leading to it is going to be SO ready for passenger service by Summer, 2015. The pics are absolute proof why that is so. Again...with feeling....they should really open it early as there is no technical reason why they cannot do so.

You can repeat that another 100 times, it's not going to happen.

[Olden Retreiver]

Originally Posted by SOSS

Those pics look great. Any update on when digging resumes?

Just for you, I walked over to the portal this afternoon to confirm there absolutely nothing happening with the tunnel. Quite disappointing especially since it's almost 4 weeks since the reported 3-week maintenance shutdown