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See the CBC's recent series on design to see why this sort of competition is a bad idea. Good design happens when you have a clear endpoint in mind and work from there. Lebreton will forever be a lost opportunity IMO.
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Centre ice: Ottawa Senators considering move to LeBreton Flats
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JOANNE CHIANELLO Published on: December 9, 2014

The Senators are contemplating a move downtown.

The group that operates the NHL team — Senators Sports & Entertainment — has confirmed to the Citizen that it is “actively considering the opportunity” to build a new hockey arena on the grounds of LeBreton Flats.

That means the Senators will be among those taking a long look at redeveloping the so-called second phase of the sprawling property on the south side of Sir John A. Macdonald Parkway across from the Canadian War Museum.

On Sept. 30, the National Capital Commission launched a request for proposals to redevelop as much as 21.4 hectares of land at LeBreton Flats that sits south of the parkway and west of Booth Street. One criteria for the redevelopment proposal is the inclusion of “an attraction of a regional, national or international significance” that is also a “world-class capital destination.”

The Senators told the Citizen the sports organization has been “approached by numerous well-established private sector companies and community organizations who have expressed a strong desire to partner with us on developing a world-class proposal for the site.”

The Sens organization said it will make its final decision on whether to submit an application to the NCC over the next few weeks. While the Senators believe an NHL arena at LeBreton could drive economic development in the core, as well as serve as an “architectural anchor” for the development, they underlined that they “feel very strongly that this could only be possible with strong community support.”

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With a new downtown arena, a new library, a new art gallery and a redeveloped Rideau Centre, our downtown would be complete. I hope this happens. The renderings for Edmonton's arena district have me jealous.
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I got my fingers crossed for this!
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I think they're hinting that they want some public money to help build it.
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We just need to be very careful where we place this. As I've said before, large complexes like casinos and arenas are great at generating sporadic but very intense activity, but they are also terrible at having a good street presence - as a total percentage of street-frontage, only a very small amount of it is comprised of doors or active retail.

So if we do go for an arena (which I really hope we do), we NEED to make sure that we place it somewhere where it can afford to have dead space and be frequently inactive. However, that doesn't mean that it should be hidden - If placed on the side, I could envisage something like a 'Sens Avenue': a street leading from the centre of LeBreton to the arena which would be an urban main street by day, but which would come alive on game nights with things like temporary pedestrianisation, banners, bars and activities which incite people to come early and stay late.

If done well, an arena could be a real asset for LeBreton, but if done poorly, it could be a huge deadweight.
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The other thing you can do with arena is build it on top of something (for instance retail of some sort). For instance at Madison Square garden the ice level is on the 4th or 5th floor or something.


Even at the old maple leaf gardens there is loblaws on the bottom and Ryerson's rink on top.



I think one way to do it is to break away from the idea that the arena is the only thing in it's building.
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I think they're hinting that they want some public money to help build it.
Of course they do! Sports teams never believe in paying for arenas with their own money. But i doubt the City of Ottawa would be interested after investing heavily in Lansdowne.
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They mentioned they had been approached by several other groups. I would have to think that means condo/real estate developers.

it is not secret (especially these days) that condos that are located around "stuff" sell much easier.

It would really come down to how a deal/partnership is structured. There is obiovusly other models than the 1990's city builds arena/stadium, team rents it model. Lansdowne has proven this and it is no doubt not the only possible model. The city may not even need to be involved beyond development approvals and perhaps a slight bit of infrastructure work.
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I think a great spot for the new arena would be overtop of the Bayview O-Train and future LRT station. That way you could have a multi-level arena sitting on top of an integrated transit hub with retail on lower levels, and condos and hotel space above.
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I'd disagree - what you'd want to avoid is people parking at Bayview, taking LRT to the arena, an elevator to the game and LRT home once it's done. We need to get people out of the station and walking through LeBreton, where they might decide to stay for a drink, check out a store or just walk around. I would try to place it as far from LRT as is possible (the furthest you can get from a station is 400m, so it isn't far) to get people to enliven the district.

With that in mind, perhaps we could look at building on top the LRT tracks at Preston: get people walking between Pimisi and Bayview as well as up and down Preston (there are a great number of restaurants which would benefit).
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With that in mind, perhaps we could look at building on top the LRT tracks at Preston: get people walking between Pimisi and Bayview as well as up and down Preston (there are a great number of restaurants which would benefit).
Not to mention that positioning the arena between the Pimisi and Bayview stations will serve to split the post-game crush on the LRT system. Instead of having thousands of people jam into one station, transit users can walk to the station that best suits their needs, including a transfer-less access to the Trillium line.
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As controversial as this is going to sound, I would support limited public funding for this project if it was absolutely necessary for it to go forward. The return on our city would be great.
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As controversial as this is going to sound, I would support limited public funding for this project if it was absolutely necessary for it to go forward. The return on our city would be great.
I would agree. What I would like is for them to think big - something like a National Hockey Arena complex that serves the same purpose as BMO field - in addition to hosting the Sens, it could be the home base and training facility for our national hockey teams, as well as the venue for big games. By putting in multiple surfaces, it could be the replacement for the aging arenas in that area - McNabb and Tom Brown, which would keep it busy at all times. You'd need some parking for that though.
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I would agree. What I would like is for them to think big - something like a National Hockey Arena complex that serves the same purpose as BMO field - in addition to hosting the Sens, it could be the home base and training facility for our national hockey teams, as well as the venue for big games. By putting in multiple surfaces, it could be the replacement for the aging arenas in that area - McNabb and Tom Brown, which would keep it busy at all times. You'd need some parking for that though.
Interesting thought, but you won't get buy-in from Hockey Canada regarding national teams or big games. There is no men's national team, no desire to hothouse the junior team, and they only do it for the women in Olympic years. You also have to figure they can get more money trying to get the highest bidder for tournaments like the WJHC and Women's World Championship rather than just going with Ottawa. Also, I believe they just built a new training centre in Calgary for the women's team and junior training camps.
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Interesting thought, but you won't get buy-in from Hockey Canada regarding national teams or big games. There is no men's national team, no desire to hothouse the junior team, and they only do it for the women in Olympic years. You also have to figure they can get more money trying to get the highest bidder for tournaments like the WJHC and Women's World Championship rather than just going with Ottawa. Also, I believe they just built a new training centre in Calgary for the women's team and junior training camps.
I have no doubt that you are right. It's an uphill battle with Hockey Canada ensconced in Calgary, but I do think there is room for a larger arena to host one-off events like the World Cup, exhibition games and the junior training camps. Maybe also big national championships like the national junior A championships, the Allan Cup etc. It would be kind of like the Wembley/Stade de France set up, but for hockey. However, the Sens would clearly be the prime tenant, so if you could get a few other dates per year, you might have a viable set up.

You could throw in some other hockey-related entities - maybe a museum to international hockey (or maybe the Stanley Cup) and you'd have an attraction. Or you could go more functional and have acentre of excellence for sports medicine, sports management etc. I think there is room for creativity.
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As controversial as this is going to sound, I would support limited public funding for this project if it was absolutely necessary for it to go forward. The return on our city would be great.
I would support limited public funding. This isn't the billion dollar Leafs or Habs, it's a small market with a fan base split in three. If the Edmonton Oilers can get support some support from government (25 million I believe), I would expect Ottawa Senators could get a similar deal.
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Centre ice: Ottawa Senators considering move to LeBreton Flats

Joanne Chianello, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: December 10, 2014, Last Updated: December 10, 2014 5:22 PM EST


The Senators are contemplating a move downtown.

The group that operates the NHL team — Senators Sports & Entertainment — has confirmed to the Citizen that it is “actively considering the opportunity” to build a new hockey arena on the grounds of LeBreton Flats.

That means the Senators will be among those taking a long look at redeveloping the so-called second phase of the sprawling property on the south side of Sir John A. Macdonald Parkway across from the Canadian War Museum.

On Sept. 30, the National Capital Commission launched a request for proposals to redevelop as much as 21.4 hectares of land at LeBreton Flats that sits south of the parkway and west of Booth Street. One criteria for the redevelopment proposal is the inclusion of “an attraction of a regional, national or international significance” that is also a “world-class capital destination.”

The Senators told the Citizen the sports organization has been “approached by numerous well-established private sector companies and community organizations who have expressed a strong desire to partner with us on developing a world-class proposal for the site.”

The Sens organization said it will make its final decision on whether to submit an application to the NCC over the next few weeks. While the Senators believe an NHL arena at LeBreton could drive economic development in the core, as well as serve as an “architectural anchor” for the development, they underlined that they “feel very strongly that this could only be possible with strong community support.”

That could be a call to arms to Sens fans who support an arena in the city core to rise up in support of the idea.

For decades, many have decried the current arena’s Kanata location as inconvenient, if not a downright barrier to attendance.

As one of the NCC’s criteria for proposals is that the redevelopment be a “valued destination for residents from the region,” vocal support from fans in favour of a move to LeBreton could help the organization’s bid.

Even Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird seemed to question the current location of the NHL arena.

The Ottawa West-Nepean MP was at the Citizen on Tuesday for an editorial board meeting when he was asked about whether he’d be in favour of an arena being built at LeBreton.

Baird is the federal minister responsible for the NCC, and his opinion matters. He appoints directors to the NCC board and hired the new CEO, Mark Kristmanson.

His main concern is that any new plan for LeBreton be state of the art — “If it’s not excellent my strong advice would be let’s not do it,” he said — pointing out that few cities have an opportunity to develop a major piece of land in its downtown core. Baird also said he wants to “respect the process” and didn’t want to wade into what his personal preferences for LeBreton might be.

“I’m going to keep my powder dry,” he said.

Still, when pressed about the possibility of a hockey arena, the foreign affairs minister said, “I’ve travelled quite a bit and I’ve never seen a major sports arena in the middle of nowhere.”

It’s not a huge surprise that the Senators are looking as if they are moving ahead with an application for a major redevelopment project at LeBreton. Senators owner Eugene Melnyk has always said that the franchise needed non-hockey revenue in order to thrive. The original Senators owners wanted to make the current arena the centrepiece of a new commercial development, a controversial plan that never materialized, rebuffing the advice of then-councillors — including Jim Watson, Diane Holmes and Jacquelin Holzman, who was mayor at the time and is now an NCC director.

Building an arena not just in a more central location, but right on the new LRT line — LeBreton Flats will be served by the new Pimisi Station — could attract more people to the games. The NCC has called for a redevelopment plan that “builds on the investment in the Confederation Line,” which this surely would.

If the Senators go ahead with their application, they will have a number of hurdles to leap.

The concept of an NHL hockey arena doesn’t immediately jibe with other NCC criteria for the new development, including fostering a “strong integration with existing and surrounding communities” or being a “complementary use for a waterfront site, with nearby national institutions and memorials.”

As well, the NCC set up an expectation that the new development would be anchored by a public institution — LeBreton Flats is public land — and, at least under the current ownership structure, the NHL arena does not qualify.

Then there’s the fact the bidding process is expected to be quite competitive. Applications were due by Dec. 5, but the NCC extended the deadline to Jan. 7, 2015 “due to a greater expression of interest than expected.”

In September, the NCC’s CEO, Kristmanson, allowed that the LeBreton redevelopment “could” include a new arena, “but we can imagine other possibilities, as well.”

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How Ottawa — and the Senators — could finally get a downtown arena

Don Butler & Robert Bostelaar, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: December 10, 2014, Last Updated: December 10, 2014 6:25 PM EST




Whether you love the idea or hate it, a new downtown arena is looking more and more like a live option for the development of LeBreton Flats with news that Senators Sports & Entertainment is “actively considering” the opportunity.

It’s far from a done deal, though, and there are numerous implications to the move from Kanata to the city centre. Here are some of the issues and reaction from key players:


Process

If it wants to move to LeBreton Flats, Senators Sports and Entertainment will have to beat out a number of competing ideas for developing the 9.3-hectare site on the vacant federal lands.

In September, the National Capital Commission invited developers to submit “innovative proposals” for the site, centred on a “bold, new anchor institution.” Interest has been so keen that the NCC extended the deadline for developer submissions by a month to Jan. 7.

The NCC board will select a short list of candidates early next year. Those chosen will then have until August 2015 to submit detailed design and financial proposals. The recommended proposal will go to the NCC board in November 2015, with cabinet signoff in early 2016.

Mark Kristmanson, the NCC’s chief executive, declined to comment Wednesday on “potential opportunities,” but added cryptically: “I’m a federal employee but I’m also a Sens fan, so I’m hoping they’re going to make it all the way this year.”

The city’s view

Mayor Jim Watson called the possibility of a downtown arena “a very exciting opportunity because of the proximity to transit, which is a key priority for me and my council.”

But asked if a hockey arena was an appropriate use of public land, Watson replied: “Not necessarily. I’m waiting to see what is proposed and make sure that there is a public good there.”

If the move downtown takes place, Watson said the city would have to ensure the shift doesn’t leave a “significant void” in the Stittsville-Kanata West area. “Obviously, that’s a big employment generator and a magnet for a lot of activity.”

Cost

A new arena won’t be cheap. New stadiums in the United States are costing $1 billion or more, said Ian Lee, an assistant professor at Carleton University’s Sprott School of Business.

“This is not going to be a $150-million project,” Lee said. “This is going to be something in the hundreds of millions of dollars.”

Edmonton’s new downtown arena, Rogers Place, currently under construction, will cost $480 million plus a further $125 million for associated work. The new Quebecor Arena in Quebec City will cost $400 million.

Who will pay?

It’s virtually certain that taxpayers will foot a significant portion of the bill, said Lee, who has studied arena and stadium projects across North America. In the past 30 years, only two stadiums have been built without any public money, he said.

In Edmonton, city and other government sources are footing much of the bill, while in Quebec City, the province and the municipality are splitting the cost 50-50.

The federal government refused to contribute to the new Quebec City stadium, which could be an impediment to getting federal money for something similar on LeBreton Flats.

But Lee expects Senators chairman Eugene Melnyk to pitch the project in a way that emphasizes its national role, he said. “It’s not just going to be a hockey rink,” he said. Instead, he predicted, it will be pitched as “a cultural centre for all Canadians in the capital of Canada.”

The federal government might agree to donate the land, Lee suggested. “If you can get the land for free, that’s a major step forward.”

Don’t count on the city to pony up, though.

“No, I wouldn’t support that,” Watson said.

Getting there

In stark contrast to the car-dependent route to Canadian Tire Centre, getting to an arena on LeBreton Flats would be a public transit experience for most people, and a walk for others.

The light rail transit Confederation Line, now under construction, will have a LeBreton Flats stop called Pimisi station and will link up with the existing O-Train at Bayview, providing good transit service for downtown, east end and south end residents.

Because the Confederation Line will end at Tunney’s Pasture, “in the short term, there would be an inconvenience for people from the far west end,” acknowledged Harry Gow, president of Transport Action Canada. “But right now, the inconvenience is for almost everybody except the residents of Kanata.”

West-end service would improve once the western extension of the LRT is built starting in 2018.

While Gow said transit makes LeBreton Flats a good location for an arena, he stressed that the devil may be in the details. “People need to be able to get to the transit, preferably under cover, and not feel they’re exposing themselves to the howling northern winds every time they go to a sporting event.”

Watson said Tuesday there’s “still a little bit of flexibility” to the location of Pimisi station. “The cement foundations haven’t been poured yet, so there is still some time.”

Transit is key because there would likely be little parking at or near an arena on LeBreton Flats. (By contrast, Edmonton’s new arena, which will open in 2016 and is well-served by light rail transit, also boasts 13,500 parking spots within 800 metres.)

What’s in it for the team?

Despite the widely despised location of the current arena, the Senators attendance has remained strong. The current average of 18,339 – nearly 96 per cent of capacity – ranks 12th among the NHL’s 30 teams.

But a new arena offers the chance to increase seating, Lee said. And it would effectively increase the market area the team can draw from by making it easier for fans in Ottawa’s east end or Gatineau to get there.

Moreover, Lee said, the income per capita of people who live downtown is double what it is in the suburbs. “There’s a lot of high-income people there who are more than willing to drop $200 on a ticket and not even think about it.”

The Senators now often discount tickets to put bums in seats. With a downtown location and better access to wealthier patrons, they could likely raise prices and still sell out, Lee said.

Design

Would an arena be an aesthetic fit on LeBreton Flats, given its proximity to the parliamentary precinct? Ottawa architect Barry Padolsky sees no problem. “Obviously, there are sight lines that are sacred, but there is room within the whole of LeBreton Flats to accommodate a building like that,” he said.

There should be no surface parking on the site, Padolsky said, and the arena should leverage rapid transit. “We’re investing $2.1 billion in this excellent light rail system, and to put an arena right where you have a stop at LeBreton I think makes a huge lot of sense.

“Over the years I’ve always wrung my urban design hands over the fact that the arena was built out in a field n Kanata,” he said. “This is probably a good chance to do it right.”

What about Kanata?

But would any gain for downtown mean pain for Kanata? Not according to Bruce Firestone, founder of the modern Senators, who believes the team’s current home could easily be renovated as retail space.

“Look what they did with the old Montreal Forum or look what they did with the old Maple Leaf Gardens, they can repurpose them,” Firestone said.

“Imagine a 650,000-square-foot super store in the middle of a 7000-vehicle parking lot. I think (Eugene Melnyk) could do a real good job leasing that building.”

Why Kanata to begin with?

The Canadian Tire Centre, then the Palladium, opened in rural Kanata in 1996 after a long battle with regulators in which Terrace Investments, which held the franchise for the NHL team, was forced to dramatically scale back plans for a development that was to include a hotel and other businesses and homes as well as an arena. Terrace was also required to pay for a $30-million interchange to the adjoining Highway 417.

Firestone, who led Terrace Investments, said the company looked at LeBreton Flats and other properties, but the sites were either unavailable or lacked the transportation links necessary for a facility with 20,000 seats.

“There’s been a change in two ways,” Firestone told the Citizen Wednesday. “One, the NCC I think is open to something that will animate the site today that they were not open to 20 years ago, and two, light rail is under construction.”

Firestone is enthusiastic about the potential move to LeBreton Flats. “I think it’s great — it will help the franchise look to the future.”

The current arena was a showpiece when it opened and remains highly functional. But Firestone notes that such facilities are generally intended to serve for just 25 to 35 years. “The day of building 100-year buildings or like the pyramids, 3000-year buildings, we generally don’t do that.”

Even as the move is discussed, the Canadian Tire Centre is becoming the centrepiece of increased residential and commercial development in the once open fields between Kanata and Stittsville, served by a newly widened Highway 417.

“That was the original vision, to create a west urban community,” Randy Sexton, a Senators co-founder and now director of amateur scouting for the Pittsburgh Penguins, said Wednesday.

“It took 25 years to happen, but it’s happening.”

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As much as I love this idea, I just know, that in the end, it will end up being another park of "historical significance". It will be designated as valuable greenspace and whatever new design will inevitably be contested by special interest groups.

I really hope I'm wrong. The stadium would be so cool and the city would breathe a collective sigh of relief that a civic planning blunder has finally been righted.

Or if it was a park, it would really have to be on par with the likes of Central Park, or Mont Royal...a real gathering place.

Unfortunately, it will end up being an interpretive green field with a couple of bike paths, and perhaps a statue or two. That's the Ottawa way.
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