YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Cage]

Originally Posted by nname

Toronto gets DEL and DXB, but Vancouver only gets YQQ...

Plus a boat load of 788 equipment flying across the pacific.

[trofirhen]

QATAR AIRWAYS was denied access to Vancouver several years back.
This is one I could not figure out.
If the Canadian governement (AC) is afraid that it will take flights from India, Delhi is about 1000 miles closr across the Pacific, via Beijing.
If they're aftraid of QATAR taking away flight from Europe ... WTF! .... you'd need to connect over 3/4 of the way backwards around then globe, which is preposterous.

What market does QATAR (and Emirates, I guess) see out of Vancouver, and exactly what is being protected by refusing them entry?

If someone coukld explain that, I'd love to know.

[Cage]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

QATAR AIRWAYS was denied access to Vancouver several years back.
This is one I could not figure out.
If the Canadian governement (AC) is afraid that it will take flights from India, Delhi is about 1000 miles closr across the Pacific, via Beijing.
If they're aftraid of QATAR taking away flight from Europe ... WTF! .... you'd need to connect over 3/4 of the way backwards around then globe, which is preposterous.

What market does QATAR (and Emirates, I guess) see out of Vancouver, and exactly what is being protected by refusing them entry?

If someone coukld explain that, I'd love to know.

YVR was only ever a pawn for QR and EK to get more access rights out of YYZ. Both airlines were only ever interested in daily YYZ services.

Also I believe the QR YVR concept included 6th freedom rights through Europe. QR needed YVR -Europe traffic rights to make the project profitable.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Cage

YVR was only ever a pawn for QR and EK to get more access rights out of YYZ. Both airlines were only ever interested in daily YYZ services.

Also I believe the QR YVR concept included 6th freedom rights through Europe. QR needed YVR -Europe traffic rights to make the project profitable.

Thank you. I had a hunch the reason was something along that order.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

Toronto gets DEL and DXB, but Vancouver only gets YQQ...

Yup, and as Cage says a boat load of 787s.

Toronto has by far the largest South Asian population of close to 900,000 (based on 2011 Stats Canada figures). And we all know this route will heavily depend on VFR traffic.

Vancouver has the second largest South Asian population in Canada which amounts to only about 300,000 when you include Abbotsford.

After that there are no other metro areas in Canada with a South Asian population of more than 100,000.

So just based on that alone we are talking only 1/3 Toronto's and that's just based on Metro populations not taking into account the much larger catchment area around YYZ.

It completely makes sense YYZ-DEL would come way before a direct YVR-DEL link. YVR is reaching a South Asian population that may make a direct link to India possible, even if just seasonal.

As for DXB, do you really think AC would ever fly YVR-DXB?

Don't worry though, Air Canada is not done with Vancouver.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

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Don't worry though, Air Canada is not done with Vancouver.

Sounds intriguing. Do you know something we don't?

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

I'm writing this from Hong Kong International Airport. I got to see not one, not two, but three 787s today at YVR before my flight. This is the first time I've got a good look at them and I like 'em a lot. The 773ER is still my favourite jet and I got to spend a fair number of hours in one today. Cathay seems to have wider economy seats that BA. Good to know.

I just came back from Japan on their 787 into YVR. It's a great airplane. Super quiet. You can carry on a regular conversation over an aisle forward of the wing. Maybe it's just because I know the humidity is higher, but it seemed less dry and I was less tired. JALs service, as usual, was excellent.


Here's the the images:
http://imgur.com/a/noXbO

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Sounds intriguing. Do you know something we don't?

AC themselves already mentioned that YVR will be AC's largest growing hub in Canada in 2015.

[Canadian74]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Sounds intriguing. Do you know something we don't?

Well AC have mentioned YVR-MEL/BNE, haven't they?
Then maybe YVR-FRA, another Asian city/increased frequencies etc...

[nname]

double post, delete

[nname]

Originally Posted by Denscity

AC themselves already mentioned that YVR will be AC's largest growing hub in Canada in 2015.

There must be ALOT more coming up to make that statement true though (unless they meant the relative % increase instead of absolute number of seats or frequency).

So what we've known so far for new route and frequency change (but not a/c change as there are too much to track):

Toronto:
19x weekly 763
2x weekly 788
5x weekly 789
7x weekly CR7
2x weekly E90

Montreal:
12x weekly 763
5x weekly 319

Vancouver:
5x weekly 763
7x weekly 319
14x weekly DH3

Calgary:
10x weekly 319
7x weekly CRJ
7x weekly DH4

So currently Vancouver is ahead of Calgary (which is not an AC hub) but slightly behind Montreal in term of expansion, but is far behind Toronto. Unless there are cuts that are not reported, there should be at least 3 more daily services (with widebodies) from Vancouver that are yet to be announced?

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

There must be ALOT more coming up to make that statement true though (unless they meant the relative % increase instead of absolute number of seats or frequency).


So currently Vancouver is ahead of Calgary (which is not an AC hub) but slightly behind Montreal in term of expansion, but is far behind Toronto. Unless there are cuts that are not reported, there should be at least 3 more daily services (with widebodies) from Vancouver that are yet to be announced?

I think they are referring to capacity growth in % terms. So frequencies may play a role, but every 763 Asia route is seeing a boost because of the 787 replacing them. Also, transborder is getting more boosts with the addition of 5th daily LAX on a 763 next summer for eg. Transborder growth this winter, because of new routes and the transfer to rouge, is huge.

[Cage]

Originally Posted by Denscity

AC themselves already mentioned that YVR will be AC's largest growing hub in Canada in 2015.

I am convinced the " YVR will be AC fastest growing hub" comment has to use ASM as the comparator. All the 788 to Asia and 77w to SYD will add up. Plus Asia is about 1.5 times distance of YYZ-Europe.

Final factor in YVR favour is that YYZ increase will come late into 2015.

[trofirhen]

I wonder if this would make a viable Rouge winter destination. The city is very historic (The Alamo & the Mexican-American War), mild in winter, picturesque,
(The Paseo del Rio), and with a traditionally very strong Hispanic culture.

I was just wondering if it could make a winter sun & tourist destination. Rouge would likely be the only one to service it, it would seem, and on a seasonal basis, of course.

[Denscity]

Im thinking San Diego would be first if it isn't already in place. Also perhaps another Mexican destination? Seasonal sun or bigger interior city.

[spoonman]

Originally Posted by Denscity

Im thinking San Diego would be first if it isn't already in place. Also perhaps another Mexican destination? Seasonal sun or bigger interior city.

We in SD are also puzzled that there is no direct flight from Vancouver to SD. Of couse there used to be for a very long time. I would have to agree that this would be high on the list for desination expansion.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Denscity

Im thinking San Diego would be first if it isn't already in place. Also perhaps another Mexican destination? Seasonal sun or bigger interior city.

Yes, of course, San Diego first, but I was just wondering if there were also a market for San Antonio and its historic charm and winter sun.

As for a bigger interior Mexican city, I believe Monterrey is a major financial centre, but Guadalajara might be a destination, too, although I rather doubt that until Vancouver gets bigger.

[craneSpotter]

Not sure if it has been mentioned already, but China Eastern adding a seasonal 2nd daily service (A330-200 from 25JUN15 to 31AUG15) to Shanghai Pu Dong.

Also, Singapore Airlines is expanding its codeshare agreement with EVA Air to include Taipei Taoyuan – Vancouver.


http://airlineroute.net/2014/12/11/mu-s15update1/

Singapore Airlines now codeshares on EVA Air flights to six North American airports

[trofirhen]

But perhaps still valid. // Hopefully of interest to some readers. // About Canadian protectionism, one viewpoint.
http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/no...ersion-and-canadas-restrictionism-182041

[Johnny Aussie]

Looks like Air China is going to maintain the 773 daily year-round.

Originally it looked like CA was going to maintain 11 weekly like last summer but the earlier flight (4 per week) has been dropped but the later one upgauged to a 773.

Last summer all CA flights were operated with 332 equipment.