YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[craneSpotter]

Originally Posted by Gordon

could Jetlines do damage to airlines that use BLI to gather Vancouver travelers?

Jetlines is definitely targeting those passengers from the lower-mainland (and VI) who are using BLI - as well as those using Southwest & JetBlue from SEA.

[deasine]

Originally Posted by craneSpotter

Jetlines is definitely targeting those passengers from the lower-mainland (and VI) who are using BLI - as well as those using Southwest & JetBlue from SEA.

That's not in its initial plans. I'm probably very cynical on this venture but I definitely don't think it will take off as smooth as they think it will. Bare in mind ULCCs have survived in the States but costs are significantly higher in Canada. Even if they operate with a cost advantage to AC and WS, its important to remember this airline does not have the fleet or frequency to take on AC and WS. Even WS's encore division exited certain markets from YVR (YKA was one of them) because they don't have the frequency and market power AC has. Given these are small markets to begin with, airlines can't sustainably pour in capacity as these markets will not support it. So even in the long-run it will be destructive competition.

[Gordon]

Will:
Delta be operating it's yvr atl service this summmer?

UA be operating Yvr to EWR & IAd this summer?

[craneSpotter]

Originally Posted by deasine

That's not in its initial plans. I'm probably very cynical on this venture but I definitely don't think it will take off as smooth as they think it will. Bare in mind ULCCs have survived in the States but costs are significantly higher in Canada. Even if they operate with a cost advantage to AC and WS, its important to remember this airline does not have the fleet or frequency to take on AC and WS. Even WS's encore division exited certain markets from YVR (YKA was one of them) because they don't have the frequency and market power AC has. Given these are small markets to begin with, airlines can't sustainably pour in capacity as these markets will not support it. So even in the long-run it will be destructive competition.

Agreed. It will be a tough market. It will be interesting to watch how they develop... if they in fact fly (no pun haha).

With only two planes at launch they won't offer much in the way of routes...but expect their LF to be in the 65-70% range and still make $. They say they will only go head-head with AC/WJ on the routes those two use props on.

They are going after the low hanging - price sensitive leisure PAX. I hope they give it a go, somebody will eventually! I think they have a chance if they can get funding.

[Genauso]

Selected excerpts from
Can a $200-million mail plant at YVR save Canada Post?
Jacob Parry | Dec 1, 2014 | BCBusiness

This year, the always-busy holiday season is expected to be a lot more stressful—but potentially a lot more profitable—as Canada Post tries to reap the benefits of a $200-million investment in this new YVR distribution centre. The move is part of a $1.7-billion modernization program (which includes new automated plants in Montreal, Winnipeg and Toronto) that’s shifting the corporation’s focus away from letter mail and toward e-commerce parcel delivery.

Last March, a second wave of postal workers relocated to the airport plant from Canada Post’s multi-storey Modernist complex in downtown Vancouver (a building that was sold, in January 2013, for $153 million). The 700,000-square-foot Pacific Processing Centre, with a tarmac for the carrier’s contracted fleet of Boeing 727s

the holiday season is particularly lucrative, with three out of every five parcels delivered in the month of December. Deliver Tonight, a program piloted by Canada Post last holiday season in Toronto, was expected to be up and running by the end of October in Metro Vancouver. A selection of Canada Post’s top retail partners—which have yet to be announced—will be offering same-day delivery service as part of the program: order by noon, the package will be picked up by 2 p.m. and delivered that evening. Last year alone, revenue from those top e-commerce customers grew 29 per cent over the previous year.

One of those e-commerce customers is London Drugs

In the Lower Mainland alone, the corporation expects to cut 500 from the 3,000 employees it currently has.

According to some workers, the move comes at the expense of the postal carrier’s traditional letter-carrying business. One employee who works on the floor of the Richmond plant, who asked for anonymity, reports that 25 trailers full of letter mail, largely from Japan, China and South Korea, currently sit waiting to be offloaded. “We used to process 32,000 letters an hour; now we process 5,000 to 10,000,” she says. Whereas a letter or parcel sent from Kelowna to Prince George would go directly, now all mail is routed through Vancouver, explains John Bail, national director at CUPW.

Although Amazon announced a same-day delivery program recently, it seems Canada Post won't meet its goal of offering its version "Deliver Tonight" this year. The article also seems to support the idea the downtown distribution facility is still operating at significant volume. Has the BC pension fund which bought the property started giving off hints of its ambitions for a redevelopment yet?

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Gordon

Will:
Delta be operating it's yvr atl service this summmer?

UA be operating Yvr to EWR & IAd this summer?

DL to ATL - yes same schedule as last summer flights on Wed, Sat and Sun.

As for UA and EWR and IAD. UA has not uploaded their summer timetable yet. Expect that soon.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by thegx

Are you sure? Their website still shows EWR.

You are right AC has not updated their website yet.

Check again in a few days. It's already reflected in OAG for example.

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by craneSpotter

Jetlines is definitely targeting those passengers from the lower-mainland (and VI) who are using BLI - as well as those using Southwest & JetBlue from SEA.

Isn't Southwest rumored to be interested in Vancouver (or Abbottsford)? That could hinder Jetlines plans if it happens.

[Cage]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

You are right AC has not updated their website yet.

Check again in a few days. It's already reflected in OAG for example.

from AC sources apparently the YVR-JFK load was done in error, the flight will remain YVR-EWR. Another consideration is that if YVR -EWR was transferring to JFK then YYC-EWR would have followed suit.

[Gordon]

airilneroutes.net has the Ac yve JFK info as well

[craneSpotter]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Isn't Southwest rumored to be interested in Vancouver (or Abbottsford)? That could hinder Jetlines plans if it happens.

Don't know. There was a story back in September that claimed Southwest was looking at possibly entering the Canadian market. Have not heard anything since.

Of course they could not serve point-point in Canada, but certainly could make a dent into the seats offered to the US/Sun destinations by current airlines operating from Canada.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by craneSpotter

Don't know. There was a story back in September that claimed Southwest was looking at possibly entering the Canadian market. Have not heard anything since.

Of course they could not serve point-point in Canada, but certainly could make a dent into the seats offered to the US/Sun destinations by current airlines operating from Canada.

Maybe it's Southwest that will bring back Vancouver - San Diego.

[Gordon]

Any chance Rouge might consider YVR SAN?

[craneSpotter]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Maybe it's Southwest that will bring back Vancouver - San Diego.

Oh, that would be great. Surprising there isn't a flight to SAN. Maybe Rouge or Westjet could make it work now?

I believe jetBlue had also applied to serve Canada in the past. They said that Canada's airport fees and tax structure were too high for them - although I think that was 5 years ago.

Edit: Ah, found the article re: jetBlue (and others). If fuel costs go and stay down (oil stays low) and the dollar stays low relative to the USD, maybe they will revisit the potential of service to/from Canada.

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/th...-20120405.html

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by craneSpotter

Oh, that would be great. Surprising there isn't a flight to SAN. Maybe Rouge or Westjet could make it work now?

I believe jetBlue had also applied to serve Canada in the past. They said that Canada's airport fees and tax structure were too high for them - although I think that was 5 years ago.

Edit: Ah, found the article re: jetBlue (and others). If fuel costs go and stay down (oil stays low) and the dollar stays low relative to the USD, maybe they will revisit the potential of service to/from Canada.

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/th...-20120405.html

Interesting, thank you. I wonder what other as-yet-unserved routes from YVR to the US there are? Miami, and Orlando seem to stand out. Any others?

[thegx]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

You are right AC has not updated their website yet.

Check again in a few days. It's already reflected in OAG for example.

Air Canada is not switching service to JFK.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by thegx

Air Canada is not switching service to JFK.

Yup. Filing error. Amazing it made it to OAG!

[Johnny Aussie]

And the roll continues....

OCT 2014
Overall up 7.0% up 98,600 to 1,506,778
Domestic up 6.9% up 52,700 to 841,063
Transborder up 10.5% up 32,100 to 337,583
Asia Pacific up 5.5% up 11,500 to 219,182
Europe up 2.2% up 2,300 to 91,583
Misc Int'l down 8.3% down 1,500 to 17,097

Ttl Int'l (includes transborder) up 7.1%

YTD
Overall up 8.0% up 1,210,000 to 16,411,261
Domestic up 7.1%
Transborder up 9.1%
Asia Pacific up 11.4%
Europe up 5.7%
Misc int'l up 0.5%

Ttl Int'l (includes transborder) up 8.9%

Cargo up 11.4% in Oct which is also the same increase for YTD.

[Johnny Aussie]

AC adding two daily year-round DH3 flights to Comox starting 1 May.

http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=838

[nname]

Toronto gets DEL and DXB, but Vancouver only gets YQQ...