The Great Canadian Transit Thread - Page 265

GlassCity · #**5281** Posted **Nov 30, 2014, 8:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by SkahHigh

You guys are about ten years ahead of us

now that AMT is done with building lines (the only next expansion could be the Candiac Line to Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu), they should focus on improving the current service. This means adding multi-level coaches during rush hour trains on the Deux-Montagnes Line, adding more frequencies on the Vaudreuil-Hudson Line and improving infrastructure. It would be tougher to improve frequencies on other lines because they share the tracks with the CN and CP...

Don't say you're done! Looking at Montreal maps I dream of a Mont-Saint-Hilaire Line extension to Saint-Hyacinthe, as well as a completely new line to Salaberry-de-Valleyfield. Have any of these ever been discussed before?

It's interesting that the Mascouche Line is being criticized for a projected ridership of 14,000. Vancouver's West Coast Express has a ridership of 11,000 (as of 2011) and is generally considered successful.

SkahHigh · #**5282** Posted **Nov 30, 2014, 8:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by GlassCity

Don't say you're done! Looking at Montreal maps I dream of a Mont-Saint-Hilaire Line extension to Saint-Hyacinthe, as well as a completely new line to Salaberry-de-Valleyfield. Have any of these ever been discussed before?

It's interesting that the Mascouche Line is being criticized for a projected ridership of 14,000. Vancouver's West Coast Express has a ridership of 11,000 (as of 2011) and is generally considered successful.

I think 14,000 is good, the only problem is what the line cost the AMT. But it's in service now so no need to talk about it

No extension plans to Saint-Hyacinthe or Valleyfield. I doubt the ridership would justify it.

What the AMT should do next in terms of extension is build a station in Mirabel and extend the Candiac Line to Saint-Jean. Although I doubt any of this is a priority since the MTQ has many other big projects like the light rail on Champlain, the airport shuttle, the BRT on Pie-IX and the Blue Line extension.

rbt · #**5283** Posted **Nov 30, 2014, 9:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by TownGuy

How do they compare ridership wise?

GO (Rail) is far higher with 200,000 riders per weekday. AMT (Rail) is closer to 75,000 riders per weekday.

AMT doesn't have much of a bus service, so I provided recent Rail only numbers for both agencies.

Future projection put GO way ahead at about 400,000 daily riders in 2020. I'm not aware of any major equipment orders for AMT, so I assume their 2020 projection isn't much more than todays ridership.

SkahHigh · #**5284** Posted **Nov 30, 2014, 9:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by rbt

GO (Rail) is far higher with 200,000 riders per weekday. AMT (Rail; do they have bus service?) is closer to 75,000 riders per weekday.

Yeah they do have one express bus line, the 90. As for ridership, it's more like 85,000 starting tomorrow with the Mascouche Line entering service.

rbt · #**5285** Posted **Nov 30, 2014, 9:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by SkahHigh

Yeah they do have one express bus line, the 90. As for ridership, it's a more like 85,000 starting tomorrow with the Mascouche Line entering service.

Yeah, I found AMT has about 7,000 trips per day on bus. GO serves about 55,000 trips per day on its much more extensive set of bus routes.

SkahHigh · #**5286** Posted **Nov 30, 2014, 9:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by rbt

Yeah, I found AMT has about 7,000 trips per day on bus. GO serves about 55,000 trips per day on its much more extensive set of bus routes.

I think GO has regrouped most of the suburban bus lines under it's name. The AMT is kind of like Metrolinx, they're an umbrella organisation. So all the suburban bus lines in Montreal are operated by CIT's (Intermunicipal Transit Council), not the AMT. There are about 15 of them I think. The 90 Express line is the only one operated under the AMT name.

A bus from CIT Laurentides:

SURF - Le service de transport intégré CIT Laurentides by Gerard Donnelly, on Flickr

SkahHigh · #**5287** Posted **Nov 30, 2014, 9:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by rbt

Future projection put GO way ahead at about 400,000 daily riders in 2020. I'm not aware of any major equipment orders for AMT, so I assume their 2020 projection isn't much more than todays ridership.

AMT rail ridership in 2020 should be a little under 95,000. And if there is need, they can still order some new equipment (multi-levels for example)...

TownGuy · #**5288** Posted **Nov 30, 2014, 10:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by SkahHigh

I think GO has regrouped most of the suburban bus lines under it's name. The AMT is kind of like Metrolinx, they're an umbrella organisation. So all the suburban bus lines in Montreal are operated by CIT's (Intermunicipal Transit Council), not the AMT. There are about 15 of them I think. The 90 Express line is the only one operated under the AMT name.

Not exactly sure what you mean but GO runs in addition to local transit agencies to serve intercity travel needs. It hasn't absorbed any local transit, that I know of anyways.

SkahHigh · #**5289** Posted **Nov 30, 2014, 10:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by TownGuy

Not exactly sure what you mean but GO runs in addition to local transit agencies to serve intercity travel needs. It hasn't absorbed any local transit, that I know of anyways.

Oh allright then. It's just that the AMT is similar to Metrolinx so other than the CR and the 90 line it doesn't do bus transit. Just like Metrolinx doesn't I'm sure.

TownGuy · #**5290** Posted **Nov 30, 2014, 10:51 PM**

Metrolinx does bus transit with GO. GO is a division of Metrolinx. AMT and Metrolinx seem like the same thing only Metrolinx runs it's services thru divisions.

GreaterMontréal · #**5291** Posted **Nov 30, 2014, 10:59 PM**

St-Jean-sur-Richelieu is well served by bus now. The Ligne 96s (Super express), will take you to downtown Montreal in about 45min.

http://www.ville.saint-jean-sur-richelieu.qc.ca/transport-en-commun/Pages/transport-en-commun.aspx

schedule
http://www.ville.saint-jean-sur-richelie...urbaines/Pages/lignes-interurbaines.aspx

Nouvellecosse · #**5292** Posted **Dec 1, 2014, 12:59 AM**

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Originally Posted by SkahHigh

Montreal has 256km and Toronto 451km, that's really not bad.

Oh I don't think they're "bad" at all; in fact they're fairly decent. I just don't think our examples of CR can really be called more advanced on average than those in the US. The ridership is strong but the actual physical systems are fairly run of the mill.

GreaterMontréal · #**5293** Posted **Dec 1, 2014, 1:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

Oh I don't think they're "bad" at all; in fact they're fairly decent. I just don't think our examples of CR can really be called more advanced on average than those in the US. The ridership is strong but the actual physical systems are fairly run of the mill.

Mostly because their sprawl goes to infinity. You don't need 500km of CR in Montréal, never gonna happen.

Montréal is done with CR for at least 10 years. The next mode of transport that will emerge in Montreal will be the SLR.

Mascouche Line - A-640

https://www.facebook.com/Agencemetropoli...23750831/761245573943513/?type=1&theater

The AMT has new train line colors

TorontoDrew · #**5294** Posted **Dec 1, 2014, 1:52 AM**

Is AMT still using old GO engines on some of its lines?

GreaterMontréal · #**5295** Posted **Dec 1, 2014, 2:05 AM**

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Originally Posted by TorontoDrew

Is AMT still using old GO engines on some of its lines?

yes they still use them

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Agence Métropolitaine de Transport has several F59PH’s on long-term lease...

http://www.canadianrailwayobservations.com/croarchives/june2012amtgo16.htm

but the F59PH will receive a new HEP generator 800kW. The work will take approximately 24 months (end of program February 28, 2015).

20 ALP-45DP for the AMT

TorontoDrew · #**5296** Posted **Dec 1, 2014, 2:10 AM**

You would have thought a quick paint job was in order.

Rotax · #**5297** Posted **Dec 1, 2014, 2:12 AM**

Concerning AMT...

A tender for 23 multi-level coaches was published last year, but later canceled. I don't know why, however...

Works are underway to add a third track (and new signals) between Lucien-L'Allier and Montréal-Ouest. Once finished (spring 2015), this should allow the AMT to add more trains on the Vaudreuil line and the trains on the Saint-Jérôme line currently ending at Parc during rush hour will terminate at Lucien-L'Allier instead.

However, the 10 F59PH locomotives AMT bought from GO will go to Brookville Equipment Corp. (Brookville, Pennsylvania) to get rebuilt. The F59PHI are also due for a tune-up. This will affect the availability of the locomotives until the projects are finished.

The biggest projets right now for the commuter trains in Montréal (apart from the Mascouche line) are the construction of two large maintenance facilities (Lachine [~150 M$] and Pointe-Saint-Charles [~300 M$]). The train storage capacity between rush hours will be increased and maintenance quality should be increased.

Video renders of the maintenance facilities :
Lachine

Video Link

Pointe-Saint-Charles :

Video Link

GreaterMontréal · #**5298** Posted **Dec 1, 2014, 2:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by TorontoDrew

You would have thought a quick paint job was in order.

http://www.canadianrailwayobservations.com/croarchives/2013/jancro/janamtgo.htm

thanks for the news Rotax.

Rotax · #**5299** Posted **Dec 1, 2014, 2:18 AM**

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Originally Posted by TorontoDrew

You would have thought a quick paint job was in order.

The leased locomotives that were in the GO livery were returned to the leaser. The 10 F59PH the AMT later bought from GO wear a grey or white livery with the AMT logo.

Nouvellecosse · #**5300** Posted **Dec 1, 2014, 3:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by GreaterMontréal

Mostly because their sprawl goes to infinity. You don't need 500km of CR in Montréal, never gonna happen.

The frequency, reliability, and coverage are just as big a part of it as the route length and our
systems are pretty average in pretty much all those characteristics. I just fail to see how there's anything exceptional about them. What I would consider to be a more advanced form of commuter rail would be frequent electrified service of 4 or more trains per hour and this is exactly what Montreal and Toronto should have.